Buy low guys with superstar upside

[sco]

Here are some other possible buy-low names (not many with superstar potential):

Marquese Chriss
Nik Stauskas
Maximilian Kleber (Restricted)
Dwight Powell
Isaiah Thomas
Glenn Robinson II (Team)
Quinn Cook
Kevon Looney
Kenneth Faried
Bojan Bogdanovic
Wesley Matthews
Jonas Valanciunas (Player)
Delon Wright (Restricted)
Elfrid Payton
Noah Vonleh
Emmanuel Mudiay (Restricted)
Nerlens Noel (Player)
Nikola Vucevic
Terrence Ross
Troy Daniels
Jamal Crawford
Dragan Bender
Richaun Holmes
Seth Curry
Rodney Hood
Enes Kanter
Alec Burks
Donatas Motiejunas
Rudy Gay
Jeremy Lin

[The Explorer]

Why not buy high and go after Durant, Leonard, Irving, Walker? Why aren't the Bulls being mentioned in any rumors for AD? I know the reason is because its not part of Garpax strategy, but it should. The Lakers are horribly run and still rumored to land every prime player in this league. The Nets are nothing special and rumored to possibly land Durant/Irving/Butler. Chicago? Too busy discussing the likes of Cam Reddish and re-signing Ryan Archidiacano.

[sco]

Why not buy high and go after Durant, Leonard, Irving, Walker? Why aren't the Bulls being mentioned in any rumors for AD? I know the reason is because its not part of Garpax strategy, but it should. The Lakers are horribly run and still rumored to land every prime player in this league. The Nets are nothing special and rumored to possibly land Durant/Irving/Butler. Chicago? Too busy discussing the likes of Cam Reddish and re-signing Ryan Archidiacano.

Oh snap...you go girl (or more likely, boy)!

I think your first three are short-term ring chasing. Walker - absolutely, but we'd need to dump Dunn, Val and stretch Shrek to free up a max slot, IIRC.

[DanTown8587]

I want to say this guy's name because I think he'd make a ton of sense to be a buy low candidate: Denzel Valentine.

[someone whispers something into my ears]

I guess he's already a Bull so they don't have to go out and acquire him. I think Denzel could be a perfect candidate for 2019-2020 assuming his injuries last year were not predictive of future injury problems. In 2017-18, he made major strides as a player. He improved in three point shooting, two point shooting, rebounds per 100, and assists per 100. He went from a non-NBA player (7.3 PER) to a rotation player (12.1 PER). If improvement looks familiar for Denzel, it's because that's what he did at MSU - he got better in different phases every single year and when you looked up, he went from a 3/4 star recruit to a lotto pick. I'm not saying Denzel is going to continue to improve but having a setback like last year makes it easy to forget how much better he was year 2 to year 1.

I said that going after Brogdon makes a lot of sense and I still do believe that Brogdon could be a helpful PG to have even at a lot of money. But if you had to roll the dice on Denzel and see where his game is at, it's not as if he's been that much worse offensively than Brogdon. Denzel's age 24 year 2 season in 2017-2018 was equal/better in a lot of areas to Brogdon's age 25/year 2 season in 2017-2018; the vast difference in their value was Brogdon finishing about 5-6% better around the rim (.660 to .607) and Denzel taking too many mid-range twos (25% of his shots were 10ft - 3pt line; just 17% for Brogdon).

But the other stats (all per 100)

Valentine:
3pt - .386%
Points - 18.2
Rebounds - 9.2
Assists - 5.7
Steals - 1.5
Usage - 17.5
PER - 12.1

Brogdon
3pt - .385%
Points - 21.7
Rebounds - 5.4
Assists - 5.3
Steals - 1.3
Usage - 19.1
PER - 14.3

Obviously probably not realistic to ask Denzel to be a superstar but what if he's a legit sixth man/third wing? I see a lot of "dump him" and unless you're doing it for cap to sign a max guy, I highly doubt you're going to find a guy who's shown improvement and has a wide variety of skills. His defense is obviously nowhere near the impact or value of a Brogdon either but that's why Denzel could be had for 10X less the amount of money.

Plus, he would really fit the mold of the draft picks the Bulls have hit on - college upper classmen from good programs who came into the league and continued their development.

[Chi town]

I want to say this guy's name because I think he'd make a ton of sense to be a buy low candidate: Denzel Valentine.

[someone whispers something into my ears]

I guess he's already a Bull so they don't have to go out and acquire him. I think Denzel could be a perfect candidate for 2019-2020 assuming his injuries last year were not predictive of future injury problems. In 2017-18, he made major strides as a player. He improved in three point shooting, two point shooting, rebounds per 100, and assists per 100. He went from a non-NBA player (7.3 PER) to a rotation player (12.1 PER). If improvement looks familiar for Denzel, it's because that's what he did at MSU - he got better in different phases every single year and when you looked up, he went from a 3/4 star recruit to a lotto pick. I'm not saying Denzel is going to continue to improve but having a setback like last year makes it easy to forget how much better he was year 2 to year 1.

I said that going after Brogdon makes a lot of sense and I still do believe that Brogdon could be a helpful PG to have even at a lot of money. But if you had to roll the dice on Denzel and see where his game is at, it's not as if he's been that much worse offensively than Brogdon. Denzel's age 24 year 2 season in 2017-2018 was equal/better in a lot of areas to Brogdon's age 25/year 2 season in 2017-2018; the vast difference in their value was Brogdon finishing about 5-6% better around the rim (.660 to .607) and Denzel taking too many mid-range twos (25% of his shots were 10ft - 3pt line; just 17% for Brogdon).

But the other stats (all per 100)

Valentine:
3pt - .386%
Points - 18.2
Rebounds - 9.2
Assists - 5.7
Steals - 1.5
Usage - 17.5
PER - 12.1

Brogdon
3pt - .385%
Points - 21.7
Rebounds - 5.4
Assists - 5.3
Steals - 1.3
Usage - 19.1
PER - 14.3

Obviously probably not realistic to ask Denzel to be a superstar but what if he's a legit sixth man/third wing? I see a lot of "dump him" and unless you're doing it for cap to sign a max guy, I highly doubt you're going to find a guy who's shown improvement and has a wide variety of skills. His defense is obviously nowhere near the impact or value of a Brogdon either but that's why Denzel could be had for 10X less the amount of money.

Plus, he would really fit the mold of the draft picks the Bulls have hit on - college upper classmen from good programs who came into the league and continued their development.

Everyone forgets Denzel but before he went down I was expecting him to breakout last season with his 3 ball really showing. Hopefully he’s healthy because he spreads the floor and he is a really good passer.

[TheJordanRule]

I want to say this guy's name because I think he'd make a ton of sense to be a buy low candidate: Denzel Valentine.

[someone whispers something into my ears]

I guess he's already a Bull so they don't have to go out and acquire him. I think Denzel could be a perfect candidate for 2019-2020 assuming his injuries last year were not predictive of future injury problems. In 2017-18, he made major strides as a player. He improved in three point shooting, two point shooting, rebounds per 100, and assists per 100. He went from a non-NBA player (7.3 PER) to a rotation player (12.1 PER). If improvement looks familiar for Denzel, it's because that's what he did at MSU - he got better in different phases every single year and when you looked up, he went from a 3/4 star recruit to a lotto pick. I'm not saying Denzel is going to continue to improve but having a setback like last year makes it easy to forget how much better he was year 2 to year 1.

I said that going after Brogdon makes a lot of sense and I still do believe that Brogdon could be a helpful PG to have even at a lot of money. But if you had to roll the dice on Denzel and see where his game is at, it's not as if he's been that much worse offensively than Brogdon. Denzel's age 24 year 2 season in 2017-2018 was equal/better in a lot of areas to Brogdon's age 25/year 2 season in 2017-2018; the vast difference in their value was Brogdon finishing about 5-6% better around the rim (.660 to .607) and Denzel taking too many mid-range twos (25% of his shots were 10ft - 3pt line; just 17% for Brogdon).

But the other stats (all per 100)

Valentine:
3pt - .386%
Points - 18.2
Rebounds - 9.2
Assists - 5.7
Steals - 1.5
Usage - 17.5
PER - 12.1

Brogdon
3pt - .385%
Points - 21.7
Rebounds - 5.4
Assists - 5.3
Steals - 1.3
Usage - 19.1
PER - 14.3

Obviously probably not realistic to ask Denzel to be a superstar but what if he's a legit sixth man/third wing? I see a lot of "dump him" and unless you're doing it for cap to sign a max guy, I highly doubt you're going to find a guy who's shown improvement and has a wide variety of skills. His defense is obviously nowhere near the impact or value of a Brogdon either but that's why Denzel could be had for 10X less the amount of money.

Plus, he would really fit the mold of the draft picks the Bulls have hit on - college upper classmen from good programs who came into the league and continued their development.

Everyone forgets Denzel but before he went down I was expecting him to breakout last season with his 3 ball really showing. Hopefully he’s healthy because he spreads the floor and he is a really good passer.

DanTown with a brilliant post about Valentine, reminding us about Val's legitimate potential as a Super Sub / Sixth Man force of nature on this roster. I agree with you Chi town. Val's health is the key. Without it, Val's not just going to miss out on his potential as a super sub... he's probably out of the league.

[sco]

I want to say this guy's name because I think he'd make a ton of sense to be a buy low candidate: Denzel Valentine.

[someone whispers something into my ears]

I guess he's already a Bull so they don't have to go out and acquire him. I think Denzel could be a perfect candidate for 2019-2020 assuming his injuries last year were not predictive of future injury problems. In 2017-18, he made major strides as a player. He improved in three point shooting, two point shooting, rebounds per 100, and assists per 100. He went from a non-NBA player (7.3 PER) to a rotation player (12.1 PER). If improvement looks familiar for Denzel, it's because that's what he did at MSU - he got better in different phases every single year and when you looked up, he went from a 3/4 star recruit to a lotto pick. I'm not saying Denzel is going to continue to improve but having a setback like last year makes it easy to forget how much better he was year 2 to year 1.

I said that going after Brogdon makes a lot of sense and I still do believe that Brogdon could be a helpful PG to have even at a lot of money. But if you had to roll the dice on Denzel and see where his game is at, it's not as if he's been that much worse offensively than Brogdon. Denzel's age 24 year 2 season in 2017-2018 was equal/better in a lot of areas to Brogdon's age 25/year 2 season in 2017-2018; the vast difference in their value was Brogdon finishing about 5-6% better around the rim (.660 to .607) and Denzel taking too many mid-range twos (25% of his shots were 10ft - 3pt line; just 17% for Brogdon).

But the other stats (all per 100)

Valentine:
3pt - .386%
Points - 18.2
Rebounds - 9.2
Assists - 5.7
Steals - 1.5
Usage - 17.5
PER - 12.1

Brogdon
3pt - .385%
Points - 21.7
Rebounds - 5.4
Assists - 5.3
Steals - 1.3
Usage - 19.1
PER - 14.3

Obviously probably not realistic to ask Denzel to be a superstar but what if he's a legit sixth man/third wing? I see a lot of "dump him" and unless you're doing it for cap to sign a max guy, I highly doubt you're going to find a guy who's shown improvement and has a wide variety of skills. His defense is obviously nowhere near the impact or value of a Brogdon either but that's why Denzel could be had for 10X less the amount of money.

Plus, he would really fit the mold of the draft picks the Bulls have hit on - college upper classmen from good programs who came into the league and continued their development.

Everyone forgets Denzel but before he went down I was expecting him to breakout last season with his 3 ball really showing. Hopefully he’s healthy because he spreads the floor and he is a really good passer.

DanTown with a brilliant post about Valentine, reminding us about Val's legitimate potential as a Super Sub / Sixth Man force of nature on this roster. I agree with you Chi town. Val's health is the key. Without it, Val's not just going to miss out on his potential as a super sub... he's probably out of the league.

I have high hopes but low expectations for Valentine this season...I think his game will have 2 inches of rust on it. He was unathletic before the ankle and missing a year, and I think he'll struggle to keep up and will have lost a lot of accuracy on his shot for the first half of the season.

Offensively, "old" Valentine really impressed me. He developed a very accurate and quick release 3pt shot. His passing vision was always good. And, most impressively, he went from comically bad at finishing at the rim, to developing one of the league's best floaters.

Defensively is where there is no comparison and why we really need Brogdon. Val, at his best, was still below average defensively - not due to effort, but his athleticism really hurt him...I think Felicio could get by him. You can't trot a guy like that next to Zach without paying a heavy price.

A good scenario is that Val shows enough to want us to keep him, but not enough to up his price to be resigned for a cheap deal.

[sh0ck]

Not really a superstar potential player... but I think De'Vonte Graham is interesting and could develop to be a Patrick Beverely

[gobullschi]

Dante Exum - 6'6 point guard with a ton of upside. He is still young (24) but the Jazz might be tired of all the injuries. His contract does expire with Felicio and Porter, which is a plus.

[ Dunn + Valentine Package ]

It would certainly be a cool story to have Exum in a Bulls uni.

Spoiler:

(His dad won a national championship with Jordan)

[Ccwatercraft]

Everyone forgets Denzel but before he went down I was expecting him to breakout last season with his 3 ball really showing. Hopefully he’s healthy because he spreads the floor and he is a really good passer.

DanTown with a brilliant post about Valentine, reminding us about Val's legitimate potential as a Super Sub / Sixth Man force of nature on this roster. I agree with you Chi town. Val's health is the key. Without it, Val's not just going to miss out on his potential as a super sub... he's probably out of the league.

I have high hopes but low expectations for Valentine this season...I think his game will have 2 inches of rust on it. He was unathletic before the ankle and missing a year, and I think he'll struggle to keep up and will have lost a lot of accuracy on his shot for the first half of the season.

Offensively, "old" Valentine really impressed me. He developed a very accurate and quick release 3pt shot. His passing vision was always good. And, most impressively, he went from comically bad at finishing at the rim, to developing one of the league's best floaters.

Defensively is where there is no comparison and why we really need Brogdon. Val, at his best, was still below average defensively - not due to effort, but his athleticism really hurt him...I think Felicio could get by him. You can't trot a guy like that next to Zach without paying a heavy price.

A good scenario is that Val shows enough to want us to keep him, but not enough to up his price to be resigned for a cheap deal.

This is a big year for Val, if he's healthy and gets minutes he will be motivated to show what he can do. If he shows something then he's in line for many millions, if he regresses, well you know. So I expect him to be playing inspired basketball when given the opportunity, and personally I'm cheering for him, he showed a lot of promise in 17, and if he's fully healthy I i'm hopeful that he takes the next step, this would be good for him, and good for us.

It always frustrated me a bit when see him as a "toss in" type when discussing trades, like the only thing he can do for us is serve as a salary filler in a trade, he's cheap at 3.3 mil, we have control, and he does have upside, its now up to him to show what he's capable of.

[TheSuzerain]

Sign Tyus Jones and start him at PG.

[d boy gentleman]

I stupidly thought Denzel would have been Brandon Roy lite

Based in their similar numbers in college and point guard abilities

Boy was I wrong

[logical_art]

Sign Tyus Jones and start him at PG.

Is this a buy low guy? Or a guy with superstar potential? What am I missing?

[TheSuzerain]

Sign Tyus Jones and start him at PG.

Is this a buy low guy? Or a guy with superstar potential? What am I missing?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/tyus-jones/

He's a buy low guy because the TWolves seemingly view him as a bench piece. He can be a quality starting PG (which is miles better than anything we've had since DJ Augustin or maybe even Rose).

[Southpaw]

Sign Tyus Jones and start him at PG.

Good call. He's a buy low candidate because imo he has solid starter potential. Like a George Hill level starter.

[WindyCityBorn]

Lonzo Ball

Superstar upside?

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I think on the right team he can be a 12/9/8 guy, which might not be a superstar, but he's definitely on the "high upside" list.

That's not even an all-star most seaasons.

[TheSuzerain]

Maxi Kleber, Khem Birch, Cheick Diallo, and Richaun Holmes are other potential playoff starter quality (4th or 5th starter) players that are FAs as bench players. Especially Kleber.

I might kick the tires on Dragan Bender as well.

This is also why it's kind of silly to use top draft picks on bigs. You can fill those spots in other ways.

[TheSuzerain]

Delon Wright is another name. I wonder if Morant to Memphis opens the door to him walking at all.

[Mediocorebulls]

If someone has superstar potential than other teams see it too so the eventual bidding war decreases any chances of buying low.

[GimmeDat]

Tyus Jones is definitely a guy that looks good per the analytics. He's a smart player the outplays his box score, and he fits the roster well. But to me, he seems like a marginal improvement on the Arcidicaono role, or, following those same lines, a lesser volume scoring version of what Fred Vanvleet is for Toronto.

I think that makes for a handy piece for a mediocre team, or an excellent backup on a playoff team. But I think if you're looking for a starter on a good team you need a higher upside guy. It also depends what the makeup of your bench is because I think he's best playing alongside higher volume offensive threats.