2019 NBA draft part deux

[vagelis]

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/

Thanks for the link Klomp

So, from this link that Klomp provided we have the following


------------------------LANE AGILITY------SHUTTLE RUN-----3/4 SPRINT----STANDING VERTICAL LEAP----MAX VERTICAL LEAP----BENCH PRESS
Brandon Clarke--SF----10.61------------------3.05--------------3.15---------------------34.0--------------------------40.5---------------------10
Bruno Fernando--C----11.29------------------3.05--------------3.21----------------------29.5-------------------------33.5---------------------13
Jaxson Hayes----PF----11.74------------------3.23--------------3.37----------------------27.0-------------------------34.5----------------------5


and from this link https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/


------------------------HEIGHT W/O SHOES-----HEIGHT W/ SHOES------STANDING REACH----WEIGHT---WINGSPAN
Brandon Clarke--------------6' 7.25''-----------------6' 8.25'----------------------8' 6''--------------207.2-------6' 8.25''
Bruno Fernando-------------6' 8.75''-----------------6' 10.25''--------------------9' 2''--------------237.0--------7' 3.25''
Jaxson Hayes----------------6' 10.25''----------------6' 11.5''---------------------9' 2.5''------------218.6--------7' 3.5''


What I can see here is that Hayes and Fernando have almost the same standing reach,same wingspan but Hayes is taller(strange!).
I think that what count most is the standing reach and wingspan and not the height, so they are equal in that aspect.
Bruno is faster and stronger.
Anyway, from what I have seen from the highlights Bruno is better in the eye test but Hayes I don't know maybe has more potential.

[Slim Tubby]

It's only video highlights but I'm extremely intrigued with Jalen Lecque at #43. He's been getting a lot of NBA workouts so I doubt he falls that far but he seems like a very intriguing prospect.

[KGdaBom]

https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-strength-agility/

Thanks for the link Klomp

So, from this link that Klomp provided we have the following


------------------------LANE AGILITY------SHUTTLE RUN-----3/4 SPRINT----STANDING VERTICAL LEAP----MAX VERTICAL LEAP----BENCH PRESS
Brandon Clarke--SF----10.61------------------3.05--------------3.15---------------------34.0--------------------------40.5---------------------10
Bruno Fernando--C----11.29------------------3.05--------------3.21----------------------29.5-------------------------33.5---------------------13
Jaxson Hayes----PF----11.74------------------3.23--------------3.37----------------------27.0-------------------------34.5----------------------5


and from this link https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/


------------------------HEIGHT W/O SHOES-----HEIGHT W/ SHOES------STANDING REACH----WEIGHT---WINGSPAN
Brandon Clarke--------------6' 7.25''-----------------6' 8.25'----------------------8' 6''--------------207.2-------6' 8.25''
Bruno Fernando-------------6' 8.75''-----------------6' 10.25''--------------------9' 2''--------------237.0--------7' 3.25''
Jaxson Hayes----------------6' 10.25''----------------6' 11.5''---------------------9' 2.5''------------218.6--------7' 3.5''

Except for the reach man does Clarke look good. You are tempting me to move Clarke ahead of Hayes, but Hayes being 3 years 8 month's younger I will stick with Hayes.

[vagelis]

Except for the reach man does Clarke look good. You are tempting me to move Clarke ahead of Hayes, but Hayes being 3 years 8 month's younger I will stick with Hayes.

Comparing Bruno and Brandon Clarke the only aspect that I see Clarke being better in the measurements is the jumping ability.

I want to point that I am not sure about the prospects and have to mention that I first saw Bruno 2 days ago so I have not a final opinion

[KGdaBom]

Except for the reach man does Clarke look good. You are tempting me to move Clarke ahead of Hayes, but Hayes being 3 years 8 month's younger I will stick with Hayes.

Comparing Bruno and Brandon Clarke the only aspect that I see Clarke being better in the measurements is the jumping ability.

I want to point that I am not sure about the prospects and have to mention that I first saw Bruno 2 days ago so I have not a final opinion

Jumping ability is very critical. The biggest thing though is Clarke is so much more productive on the court. Only Zion compared with him in overall stats. Bruno is a C/PF and IMO Clarke is a PF/SF. They are different players. Clarke is just so instinctive with a very high BBIQ.

[Killboard]

Read on Twitter

His athletic testing let down scouts. Didnt see the stats, I will report later comparting him to Herro IE.

[Krapinsky]

The thing that stands out about Hayes is that for a rim running center prospect he is a really poor rebounder. If he's not rebounding, not passing, and not shooting, he's essentially limited to shot blocking and lobs/put backs.

His total rebound % is 12.5%. Compare Fernando who was 17.5% as a freshman and 20.2% last year, and Clarke who was 17.1% as a Junior.

[Dewey]

Except for the reach man does Clarke look good. You are tempting me to move Clarke ahead of Hayes, but Hayes being 3 years 8 month's younger I will stick with Hayes.

Comparing Bruno and Brandon Clarke the only aspect that I see Clarke being better in the measurements is the jumping ability.

I want to point that I am not sure about the prospects and have to mention that I first saw Bruno 2 days ago so I have not a final opinion

Jumping ability is very critical. The biggest thing though is Clarke is so much more productive on the court. Only Zion compared with him in overall stats. Bruno is a C/PF and IMO Clarke is a PF/SF. They are different players. Clarke is just so instinctive with a very high BBIQ.

Would mostly agree ... always that battle of raw players w/upside versus a more polished player ... in other words, it often comes down to how much upside a productive player like Clarke still has left.

[KGdaBom]

The thing that stands out about Hayes is that for a rim running center prospect he is a really poor rebounder. If he's not rebounding, not passing, and not shooting, he's essentially limited to shot blocking and lobs/put backs.

His total rebound % is 12.5%. Compare Fernando who was 17.5% as a freshman and 20.2% last year, and Clarke who was 17.1% as a Junior.

I'm not a genius about all of this, but perhaps Hayes was blocking out allowing his teammates to get the rebounds. Just a possibility.
He was an 18 year old freshman throughout the season. I will take my chances on any deficiencies coming around.

[Klomp]

Not sure I see a "big" talent gap between Hayes and Nic Claxton. Hayes projects a better as a rim runner due to his elite finishing, but Claxton is pretty good. Both can rim protect and switch - not sure who will be better defensively. Claxton is much more advanced as a ball handler and passer ( played pg part time last season )- if he can shoot (pretty questionable) he'd have the skillset to move to the 4 offensively.

I'd take Hayes over Claxton straight up, but I'd rather pick Claxton in the 20s than Hayes at 11.

I agree with this. Claxton has the skill set that made a number of us fall in love with Justin Patton.

As a sophomore last season, Claxton led Georgia in scoring (13.0 ppg), rebounding (8.6 rpg), blocks (81) and steals (34). Not only did he finish second on the team in assists (58), he made a good argument for being the Bulldogs’ best option at point guard.

https://www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgias-nicolas-claxton-gets-nba-combine-invite-inches-closer-to-lifelong-dream

[Klomp]

The thing that stands out about Hayes is that for a rim running center prospect he is a really poor rebounder. If he's not rebounding, not passing, and not shooting, he's essentially limited to shot blocking and lobs/put backs.

His total rebound % is 12.5%. Compare Fernando who was 17.5% as a freshman and 20.2% last year, and Clarke who was 17.1% as a Junior.

I'm not a genius about all of this, but perhaps Hayes was blocking out allowing his teammates to get the rebounds. Just a possibility.
He was an 18 year old freshman throughout the season. I will take my chances on any deficiencies coming around.

One of the only centers to be so low in rebounding is Marquese Chriss. There are some real reasons to believe Hayes is much better than Chriss (look at turnovers, blocks, defensive rating, OBPM, DBPM as statistical indicators and make a few guesses as to what they are), but the reasons why people are interested in Hayes do in large part double the reasons why the NBA was interested in Chriss a few years ago (Well that, and discovery bias, since part of Hayes’s allure is that he came out of seemingly nowhere).

Rebounds were also an obvious weakness of one time draft twitter darling Dragan Bender and have remained as such in the NBA. Softness is softness is softness is softness. No one has yet linked these three prospects in Hayes, Bender and Chriss, because there are some real differences between the three. Yet, the similarities should be looked at as well. Are there answers there? Perhaps, even if the answer for why Chriss failed is easy and was unfortunately obvious even before he was drafted: he has no clue how to play. At the very least, teams would be wise to consider that when drafting young players this year, more than one or two of which have no clue how to play.

That last part is not about Hayes, but some others. Still, Hayes seems to get a “he’ll figure it out” pass whenever anyone talks about him. And the road from the draft to the NBA is littered with prospect who everybody believed would figure it out. The realest problem with respect to the draft is the many different ways in which anchoring bias shows up. Again and again. Everywhere. And it’s not that difficult to see once we know where to look for it. Just look at every individual ranking you can find. Even the ones on this site. That’s not to say we are always wrong to anchor on a prospect, but we are definitely always wrong to not consider that we may be wrong to behave as such, and then to investigate the whys and wherefores.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/22/draft-notes-nic-claxton-first-evaluation-can-matter/

[Klomp]

On tape, Claxton jumps off the page as a fluid athlete and that manifests in a significant way on the defensive end of the floor. From a box score perspective, Claxton led the SEC in blocked shots (2.5 per game) but, beyond that, he regularly served as a deterrent to the opposition at or near the rim.

Perhaps Claxton’s most intriguing skill, however, is his ability to stay with guards on the perimeter. He puts his quick-twitch athleticism and fluidity to good use in that area, presenting a profile as a highly “switchable” big man at the NBA level. That, in combination with his ability to protect the rim and rebound at an above-average level, paints the picture of a potential weapon on the defensive end in a variety of schemes.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/26/18635621/nic-claxton-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-georgia

[KGdaBom]

The thing that stands out about Hayes is that for a rim running center prospect he is a really poor rebounder. If he's not rebounding, not passing, and not shooting, he's essentially limited to shot blocking and lobs/put backs.

His total rebound % is 12.5%. Compare Fernando who was 17.5% as a freshman and 20.2% last year, and Clarke who was 17.1% as a Junior.

I'm not a genius about all of this, but perhaps Hayes was blocking out allowing his teammates to get the rebounds. Just a possibility.
He was an 18 year old freshman throughout the season. I will take my chances on any deficiencies coming around.

One of the only centers to be so low in rebounding is Marquese Chriss. There are some real reasons to believe Hayes is much better than Chriss (look at turnovers, blocks, defensive rating, OBPM, DBPM as statistical indicators and make a few guesses as to what they are), but the reasons why people are interested in Hayes do in large part double the reasons why the NBA was interested in Chriss a few years ago (Well that, and discovery bias, since part of Hayes’s allure is that he came out of seemingly nowhere).

Rebounds were also an obvious weakness of one time draft twitter darling Dragan Bender and have remained as such in the NBA. Softness is softness is softness is softness. No one has yet linked these three prospects in Hayes, Bender and Chriss, because there are some real differences between the three. Yet, the similarities should be looked at as well. Are there answers there? Perhaps, even if the answer for why Chriss failed is easy and was unfortunately obvious even before he was drafted: he has no clue how to play. At the very least, teams would be wise to consider that when drafting young players this year, more than one or two of which have no clue how to play.

That last part is not about Hayes, but some others. Still, Hayes seems to get a “he’ll figure it out” pass whenever anyone talks about him. And the road from the draft to the NBA is littered with prospect who everybody believed would figure it out. The realest problem with respect to the draft is the many different ways in which anchoring bias shows up. Again and again. Everywhere. And it’s not that difficult to see once we know where to look for it. Just look at every individual ranking you can find. Even the ones on this site. That’s not to say we are always wrong to anchor on a prospect, but we are definitely always wrong to not consider that we may be wrong to behave as such, and then to investigate the whys and wherefores.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/03/22/draft-notes-nic-claxton-first-evaluation-can-matter/

I'm throwing out the name Capela and you are quoting somebody throwing out the names Bender and Chriss. From what I've seen and heard Hayes has a lot more similarity to Capela than Bender and Chriss. Time will tell. He is young and I'm gambling on the come or him figuring it out in some ways. I think he is a much better basketball player than Doumbouya who people think will figure it out.

[KGdaBom]

On tape, Claxton jumps off the page as a fluid athlete and that manifests in a significant way on the defensive end of the floor. From a box score perspective, Claxton led the SEC in blocked shots (2.5 per game) but, beyond that, he regularly served as a deterrent to the opposition at or near the rim.

Perhaps Claxton’s most intriguing skill, however, is his ability to stay with guards on the perimeter. He puts his quick-twitch athleticism and fluidity to good use in that area, presenting a profile as a highly “switchable” big man at the NBA level. That, in combination with his ability to protect the rim and rebound at an above-average level, paints the picture of a potential weapon on the defensive end in a variety of schemes.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/5/26/18635621/nic-claxton-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-atlanta-hawks-georgia

That sounds pretty good. If we trade down I wouldn't hate us picking him.

[Krapinsky]

Claxton reminds me of Kevon Looney a little bit.

[Nick K]

Read on Twitter

His athletic testing let down scouts. Didnt see the stats, I will report later comparting him to Herro IE.

That's too bad but he doesn't need great athletics. He knows how to play plus, he's a good defender and makes everything in site. The guy can shoot. He's athletic like Rubio. Nobody complained about that, and he can shoot it. Great handle and low turnovers too.

I like Ty Jerome. I think his skills will work well in the bigs. I love NAW but if we traded back I'd want Ty Jerome.

[KGdaBom]

Claxton reminds me of Kevon Looney a little bit.

I sure don't want Kevon Looney 2.0

[jpatrick]

I’m working at home today. ESPN is showing replays of Duke games. Just had Duke/Louisville on. I know he’s inconsistent, passive, etc.; but Reddish is so talented and he’s built for the modern NBA.

I’d even move up for the guy. I live not too far from Gainesville, I remember Beal not quite shooting as well as he was billed, but you knew the shot would be there in the NBA. I feel the same way about Reddish.

[thinktank]

I’m working at home today. ESPN is showing replays of Duke games. Just had Duke/Louisville on. I know he’s inconsistent, passive, etc.; but Reddish is so talented and he’s built for the modern NBA.

I’d even move up for the guy. I live not too far from Gainesville, I remember Beal not quite shooting as well as he was billed, but you knew the shot would be there in the NBA. I feel the same way about Reddish.

I don’t think we’ll have to move up if we want to take him. Just my gut feeling.

The thing that confounds me about him is he made a lot of nice defensive plays for taking so many plays off.

[Klomp]

I’m working at home today. ESPN is showing replays of Duke games. Just had Duke/Louisville on. I know he’s inconsistent, passive, etc.; but Reddish is so talented and he’s built for the modern NBA.

I said during the year that I believed Reddish could have the best NBA career of the three Dukies, and I still believe in that take.