2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[TheSuzerain]

We should trade down with a team that needs to consolidate like the Celtics.

I'd be open to that. I see 2 guys I'd like to add that I think eventually will outplay their draft slots...Bitadze and Bazley. They are both 19 years old. Lots of room to develop, but nice measurables. Bitadze is 6'11' with a 7'2' wingspan. When you look at the success that other Rising Stars from Euro League have had in the NBA it makes me think he could give us one of the best 3 big man rotations in the league. And other Euro Centers have thrived in the NBA over the last decade.

Bazley is 6' 9" or 6' 10", with a 6' 11" wingspan and an 8" 11" standing reach. A potential 3 level scorer. Decent rebounder already, and that should improve with NBA level strength training. Athletic enough. Over 80% Free Throw Shooter. Has 3 pointer potential with proper development and practice. If he had gone to a Big time NCAA program he'd probably be in the lottery pick conversation. I see him with every bit of the potential of Reddish or Little, but more likely to go between 16 and 26.

So if we can trade down with the Celtics and pick up these two guys in the First I'd hope for Carsen Edwards to fall to us with our 2nd Rounder. This outcome, in my opinion, would score us an outstanding Draft.

My only correction to this plan would be to take Edwards with one of the 1sts. Otherwise, this looks like a far better scenario than drafting Coby White or Jarrett Culver at #7.

[NewEra21]

And Kyrie Irving only played 11 and was the unquestioned #1 pick. So what is your point?

The point is maybe scouts are ascribing extra talent to Garland because he hasn't actually been on the court.

Kyrie was considered a contender for the #1 pick heading into that season, so it is more reasonable to believe why he would still go 1. Garland was mocked 10-15, didn't play, and is now mocked 4-6.

To add to the issue, almost every top prospect disappointed. Garland was in the same class of players and competed against them all regularly, so shouldn't the assumption be that he would have disappointed as well. That perhaps the class was just overvalued as a whole?

Also, Kyrie came back from a toe injury and lit it up in the couple of games he played in the tourney getting Duke into the Sweet 16. That helped a little to show that he was fine and the toe wasn't an issue going forward. And Kyrie was on a whole other level as a player at the time. He showed his playmaking abilities and had a 32.5 PER in those 11 games. He was a phenom and a wizard with the ball in his hands.

Yes Kyrie was very good, and as I mentioned, the unquestionable #1 pick. Garland is not that. I've never claimed him to be, and I don't think others have. They just like his skill package compared to what the rest of the draft class has shown. If the Lakers didnt have the #4 pick, he probably doesn't get mocked until at least until us and the Suns and that is really only because our obvious need for a PG.

[TheSuzerain]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

[Jcool0]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

Might as well just trade away #7 to the Suns for an unprotected 2020 1st.

[TheSuzerain]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

Might as well just trade away #7 to the Suns for an unprotected 2020 1st.

Anyone who wouldn't do that is a fool.

[cjbulls]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

Bostons’s Grizzlies pick has a higher value than the Bulls #7 pick? And then you want two more of their picks?

[TheSuzerain]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

Bostons’s Grizzlies pick has a higher value than the Bulls #7 pick? And then you want two more of their picks?

I don't think Boston's Grizzlies pick has higher value than the #7 pick right now. It's 1-6 protected in 2020.

[panthermark]

1. We should not trade down until we know what is available when we pick.
2. If we want to trade down because of the way the draft is laid out, the same logic could apply to another team trading up.

No matter what, two of the below four players will be there at #7:

Culver
Hunter
White
Reddish (bleh)

Trading down (or someone trading up) will depend on who is available.

[cjbulls]

My dream is to trade #7 to the Celtics for #20, #51, and the Grizzlies pick.

Then maybe liquidate Dunn, Valentine, Hutch for another mid-1st.

Bostons’s Grizzlies pick has a higher value than the Bulls #7 pick? And then you want two more of their picks?

I don't think Boston's Grizzlies pick has higher value than the #7 pick right now. It's 1-6 protected in 2020.

And then completely unprotected in 2021.

You have stated the #7 pick isn't very good this year because of a weak draft. Who wouldn't prefer to roll the dice given that the Grizz are the second most likely team to be bad in the next two years (Cavs #1). The #9 pick next year alone will probably be worth more than this #7 pick, or at least on par.

[panthermark]

With the new lottery odds, a future pick is a total crap shoot.

[johnnyvann840]

The point is maybe scouts are ascribing extra talent to Garland because he hasn't actually been on the court.

Kyrie was considered a contender for the #1 pick heading into that season, so it is more reasonable to believe why he would still go 1. Garland was mocked 10-15, didn't play, and is now mocked 4-6.

To add to the issue, almost every top prospect disappointed. Garland was in the same class of players and competed against them all regularly, so shouldn't the assumption be that he would have disappointed as well. That perhaps the class was just overvalued as a whole?

Garland playing a little allayed a lot of fears. Sure, it was only 4 games but he didn't completely fall on his face like many other players.

It did help to see him out there, but is Reddish the #2 pick if he tears his meniscus after 5 games (included Auburn and Kentucky)?

16.8pts
43.3% FG
42.5% 3pt on 8 attempts per game
93.8% FT

Wow. That is a great point. That is Cam after his first 5 games? Man, he really REALLY fell off the cliff then after that. And your answer would be ... yes.

[cjbulls]

With the new lottery odds, a future pick is a total crap shoot.

Most people would take a crap shoot over #7 this year.

Memphis is a bottom 5 team with their rebuild (although I love the Morant/JJJ pairing for the future). They are not going to come close making the playoffs in the next two years in the Western Conference. So the pick will be in the 1-10 range. This year's 7 is more like a traditional draft's 10, plus you get the upside it could be #1.

[3noD]

This video is kind of cool, imo.

It shows highlights and gives recaps of Rui last year in Fiba basically dominating grown men.

Then after he is being celebrated at mid court, he points to his family and gets the entire crowd to sing happy birthday to his little sister, lol.

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If we’re going to consider Hunter, we might as well look at Hachimura as well...


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[Jcool0]

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[TheSuzerain]

Bostons’s Grizzlies pick has a higher value than the Bulls #7 pick? And then you want two more of their picks?

I don't think Boston's Grizzlies pick has higher value than the #7 pick right now. It's 1-6 protected in 2020.

And then completely unprotected in 2021.

You have stated the #7 pick isn't very good this year because of a weak draft. Who wouldn't prefer to roll the dice given that the Grizz are the second most likely team to be bad in the next two years (Cavs #1). The #9 pick next year alone will probably be worth more than this #7 pick, or at least on par.

#9 pick next year would not be worth more than the #7 pick this year.

A team like the Celtics who want badly to win now and need to consolidate could be a good trading partner for us.

The Grizz were the 7th worse team in the league this year per SRS. They have Jaren Jackson and will be pairing him with Ja Morant. That's arguably 2 pieces better than anyone we've got. They'll also likely be flipping Mike Conley for value.

The Grizz pick COULD be a top pick. But it's more likely to be outside the top 6 than inside it.

[3noD]

No doubt Garland wants to go to LA. And of course, LA will want to work out Garland. But there’s no guarantee LA will take him. And they would be stupid to tie their hands on him when there is zero need to do so for them.


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But, I'm pretty sure that he's guaranteed to go #4 with Lebron as the GM in LA.

Put your situation in Garland's shoes. If you're not guaranteed to be drafted by LA, would you still not work out for other teams, considering the possibility of a drop as well as his recent injury? But, he's shutting everything down and not working out for any other team.

Maybe he's naive. But his agent is Lebron's best buddy. I doubt that Lebron is going screw over his buddy like that.

Maybe his promise is with a higher team, but he’ll still work out with LA because that’s his top destination.
Put yourself in LA’s shoes. You are 100% sure you can get Garland. You are in win now mode with Lebron. And yet your going to make a promise to a young unproven, ball dominant guard without doing your due diligence on other players? That stuff will get a GM fired.


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[panthermark]

With the new lottery odds, a future pick is a total crap shoot.

Most people would take a crap shoot over #7 this year.

Memphis is a bottom 5 team with their rebuild (although I love the Morant/JJJ pairing for the future). They are not going to come close making the playoffs in the next two years in the Western Conference. So the pick will be in the 1-10 range. This year's 7 is more like a traditional draft's 10, plus you get the upside it could be #1.

The Memphis pick is 1-6 protected next year....so you are looking at the #7 pick (again) at best....or unprotected 2 years from now. Who knows how they will be at the end of 2 years from now. I'm assuming Conley will be moved, and they will have a ton of cap space.

[cjbulls]

No doubt Garland wants to go to LA. And of course, LA will want to work out Garland. But there’s no guarantee LA will take him. And they would be stupid to tie their hands on him when there is zero need to do so for them.


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But, I'm pretty sure that he's guaranteed to go #4 with Lebron as the GM in LA.

Put your situation in Garland's shoes. If you're not guaranteed to be drafted by LA, would you still not work out for other teams, considering the possibility of a drop as well as his recent injury? But, he's shutting everything down and not working out for any other team.

Maybe he's naive. But his agent is Lebron's best buddy. I doubt that Lebron is going screw over his buddy like that.

Maybe his promise is with a higher team, but he’ll still work out with LA because that’s his top destination.
Put yourself in LA’s shoes. You are 100% sure you can get Garland. You are in win now mode with Lebron. And yet your going to make a promise to a young unproven, ball dominant guard without doing your due diligence on other players? That stuff will get a GM fired.


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Your reasoning is very sound, but LeBron/Klutch could throw a wrinkle into things. I could see them working out Garland all spring and having him hang with LeBron and LeBron really liking him. Remember when he was tweeting to draft Shabazz Napier. It would be like that, but behind the scenes.

The biggest doubt for that scenario, to me, is why show up at all to the combine then? My understanding is that Garland abruptly left after the promise. It seems like if the Lakers wanted to make a promise through LeBron/Klutch, it would have come sooner (or even later). But they wouldn't bother waiting until the middle of the combine.

[cjbulls]

I don't think Boston's Grizzlies pick has higher value than the #7 pick right now. It's 1-6 protected in 2020.

And then completely unprotected in 2021.

You have stated the #7 pick isn't very good this year because of a weak draft. Who wouldn't prefer to roll the dice given that the Grizz are the second most likely team to be bad in the next two years (Cavs #1). The #9 pick next year alone will probably be worth more than this #7 pick, or at least on par.

#9 pick next year would not be worth more than the #7 pick this year.

A team like the Celtics who want badly to win now and need to consolidate could be a good trading partner for us.

The Grizz were the 7th worse team in the league this year per SRS. They have Jaren Jackson and will be pairing him with Ja Morant. That's arguably 2 pieces better than anyone we've got. They'll also likely be flipping Mike Conley for value.

The Grizz pick COULD be a top pick. But it's more likely to be outside the top 6 than inside it.

Ja and JJJ and what, Valunciunus is no contest compared to LaVine, Porter, Markkanen, WCJ and White (just guessing at the pick)

With Conley and Gasol (critical distinction), they started 12-5 and were .500 through Jan. 1. They finished 33-49

[cjbulls]

With the new lottery odds, a future pick is a total crap shoot.

Most people would take a crap shoot over #7 this year.

Memphis is a bottom 5 team with their rebuild (although I love the Morant/JJJ pairing for the future). They are not going to come close making the playoffs in the next two years in the Western Conference. So the pick will be in the 1-10 range. This year's 7 is more like a traditional draft's 10, plus you get the upside it could be #1.

The Memphis pick is 1-6 protected next year....so you are looking at the #7 pick (again) at best....or unprotected 2 years from now. Who knows how they will be at the end of 2 years from now. I'm assuming Conley will be moved, and they will have a ton of cap space.

I know where Memphis will be, not in the playoffs. They won't even be contending with a deep West. Where are GSW, Houston, Portland, Utah, Denver, Lakers, Clippers and OKC going? Maybe Spurs drop off but then you have Sacramento, Minnesota and even Phoenix to contend with.

If you could guarantee it right now, I'd take #7 next year over this year's pick.

It's clear that downside is minimal but upside is high on this type of deal.