Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[WajaBawl]

Actually neither of those are my main concerns.

What gives me pause is his lack of elite athleticism/burst and oveereliance on power.

NBA defenders will diminish the physical advantages he exploited in college and I think his jumper and handle have a long way to go to compensate.

I listened to the Dunc’d On podcast last night. The second half is on Barrett. It’s worth a listen because they really did their homework. Here’s the first question they ask:

What does RJ do really well?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/duncd-on-basketball-nba-podcast/id986901174#episodeGuid=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.spreaker.com%2Fepisode%2F18117236

I listened to it this morning.

I think all their concerns are valid.

I'm not as down on RJ as them, but I don't think his path to stardom is as clear as most people seem to.

I think it boils down to whether you think the collective production of DSJ, RJ, Knox, Mitch, Frank is worth more than what you would get withAnthony Davis, also factoring in longevity. I don't think RJ is going to be superstar, and I share the same concerns as the ones you mentioned before, but I still think he's going to be a good player in the league.

I agree with the poster who brought up the notion that the role AD is going to have on this team is similar to what Mitch can bring if he realizes his potential (which I think he will). This is why I'm against trading the farm for him and would rather keep our depth, not even mentioning the injury concerns that comes with a guy like AD.

[F N 11]

Fiz working out with Knox in LA OD just to trade him?

[Knicksfan20]

I'm wondering if they could be desperate enough to trade their 1st rounder for DSJ (+ maybe Frank); as much as I love DSJ and think he'll be a star, it seems like Kyrie is a very real possibility, which would make DSJ more expendable

Who do u take with the pick?

[Tron Carter]

Fiz working out with Knox in LA OD just to trade him?

he visited kp in latvia just to trade him?

[GONYK]

RJ vs Culver play type data

[Richard4444]

Do you guys wonder why RJ Barrett mentioned KNOX and TRIER together when asking about Knicks recently?

1. There was a rumor NO do not prefer Knox in the trade.
2. There is the truth that KD is tight with Trier.
3. Dave Griffin mentioned on public TV after NYK beat MIL that Fizdale has done good job with Trier and Mitch.

If I am NYK FO, I am open to trading DSJr. + Frankie + Lance (7m) + 4 FRPs (Dallas 2 and NYK 2) + Jenkins + Garrett + Ellinson.
And yes I checked the salaries match! $21.8

But NO is high on Mitch, #3 pick and Trier. So this is pretty much why Davis not a NYK yet!!!! Pretty simple.

1) To bring 2 Max FA Players, we need to trade for AD after the FA period. By that time, we would had waived Lance.

2) Furthermore, DSJr (4,4) + Frank (4,9) + Jenkins (2m) + Garett (1,6)+ Henry (1,6) make around 14,5MM. Picks only count as salary after the signing.

3) We cant bring back Jenkins, Garret and Elliot without trade someone or waiving Dotson and Trier.

[Knicksfan20]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

[stuporman]

What I wanna know is if RJ has both dog and wiggle!

[alphad0gz]

RJ vs Culver play type data

Yeah? And just how do you quantify the difference between the leagues they played in. The best (by far) in the ACC compared to the Big 12........Tougher competition....lower stats.

[GONYK]

RJ vs Culver play type data

Yeah? And just how do you quantify the difference between the leagues they played in. The best (by far) in the ACC compared to the Big 12........Tougher competition....lower stats.

You actually have it wrong.

The Big 12 was the toughest conference in the NCAA going off of the conference RPI and the conference strength of schedule, which is the metric the NCAA uses to determine rankings and Tourney invites.

The Big 12 was 1st in both categories.

The ACC was third in conference RPI and 4th in conference strength of schedule.

So Culver played the tougher competition throughout the year.

[GONYK]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

You would trade that for Beal?

That's basically the AD deal.

[god shammgod]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

You would trade that for Beal?

That's basically the AD deal.

he kept mitch and rj. that's 2 of the 3 main pieces in the ad trade to me. it doesn't work though without some more salary added anyway.

[robillionaire]

RJ vs Culver play type data

Yeah? And just how do you quantify the difference between the leagues they played in. The best (by far) in the ACC compared to the Big 12........Tougher competition....lower stats.

You actually have it wrong.

The Big 12 was the toughest conference in the NCAA going off of the conference RPI and the conference strength of schedule, which is the metric the NCAA uses to determine rankings and Tourney invites.

The Big 12 was 1st in both categories.

The ACC was third in conference RPI and 4th in conference strength of schedule.

So Culver played the tougher competition throughout the year.

The ACC put more teams into the tournament though. And won the tournament.

[GONYK]

Yeah? And just how do you quantify the difference between the leagues they played in. The best (by far) in the ACC compared to the Big 12........Tougher competition....lower stats.

You actually have it wrong.

The Big 12 was the toughest conference in the NCAA going off of the conference RPI and the conference strength of schedule, which is the metric the NCAA uses to determine rankings and Tourney invites.

The Big 12 was 1st in both categories.

The ACC was third in conference RPI and 4th in conference strength of schedule.

So Culver played the tougher competition throughout the year.

The ACC put more teams into the tournament though. And won the tournament.

I don't know the exact science behind Selection Sunday. I'm just talking about the tougher conference. Winning the tourney doesn't mean much though, since Duke isn't playing Virginia every game. Otherwise, the case could be made that the Big East was the toughest conference in the NCAA 2 out of the last 3 years.

Duke did play a tougher SOS than TT though, so that is a factor. I was incorrect to say Culver played the tougher competition throughout the year. He faced weaker OOC schedule. He played in the tougher conference though.

Duke's schedule was not so much tougher that Culver would be more effective almost across the board on aggregate in a similar role.

Just something to consider.

[GONYK]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

You would trade that for Beal?

That's basically the AD deal.

he kept mitch and rj. that's 2 of the 3 main pieces in the ad trade to me. it doesn't work though without some more salary added anyway.

That's true.

I'll be damned if I'm giving up 3 FRP for Bradley Beal though.

I'd rather just give them the 3rd and save the rest of the stash and hope those picks come in a better draft. The likelihood of that is pretty high.

[Meat]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

Hahahha thinking you’re getting Beal without the 3rd pic

[Zenzibar]

Been on the fence regarding A, as I see competing for a Chip as early as next year but realizing it's gonna cost quite a bit.

But the acceptance of some of these trade ideas, is sad from this fanbase. Undervaluing picks, young talent like nothing, some of you guys are worst than our past management teams. It's not now AD or nothing, after we just went through KD or nothing, Kyrie or nothing..etc.



Why we must value our position. Why?
Because the Knicks are building the young nucleus the right way, regardless if ANYONE comes. We've acquired Knox, RJ, Mitch, DSJ, Frank, while developing a fair number of recent lottery picks. We have a plethora of future draft picks, ensuring a constant flow of very good and young talent and 2021 is going to be loaded.

If Durant wants to build his empire here, so be it. Perhaps he's saving himself these playoffs because he knows he has to carry, a young but up and coming team, for the next few seasons.

Nevertheless, what we/you guys have to realize is that having and developing Mitch, RJ Barrett or Morant, Knox, Trier, DSJ, and Frank is part and reason we've endured the losing as fans. Certainly a couple of these kids are going to be high caliber during KD's peak (see young Mitch) and would be nice to have a few more of the home-grown future talents here.

That means, we either see LA gut their team and also get Kyrie (DNC), making it a two horse race in the West or AD changes his mind and stay another year ,we save the cap and sign him next season. That's how we should look at it.

[malik959]

Trade for Beal. He is the better fit and we can maybe get him at a better price.

Knox + DSJR + Frank + Dotson + 2 DAL picks +2020 NYK pick is the max i go. Washington should be looking to blow it up.

Mitchell/Jordan
Durant/Beasley (I know hes in China, but i think hed come back if possible and he would be solid off the bench and KD best friend)
Barret/Beasley
Beal/Trier
Kyrie/Kadeem

You would trade that for Beal?

That's basically the AD deal.

You put together the same trade scenario for Ad to get Beal?

[F N 11]

Fiz working out with Knox in LA OD just to trade him?

he visited kp in latvia just to trade him?

Lol the agenda is real

[HarthorneWingo]

RJ vs Culver play type data

Where is Spencer!