Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[gundysmullet]

It probably comes down to the bolded. I can see Huerter alone being as impactful as Beal. And on the 26/5/6 thing, somebody's gotta score/put up stats for bad teams.

I also think you think no one's aware of Beal's age. That's simply not true.

Yeah, it comes down to how good you think Hurter can become. And let's not discount 1 season of emotional investment, that always plays a major part in how we analyze a scenario.

Nah, I'm more savvy than that.

Emotional investment has nothing to do with how savvy one is. We are all emotionally invested in some things, it’s just human nature. There’s nothing wrong with it.

[Jamaaliver]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.



They suggest #6 and Josh Jackson traded to Atlanta for #8 and #10 picks.

That's less than ideal for us. But if PHX is indeed open to moving back, what would be a realistic package?



I'm thinking #6 and Josh Jackson for #8, Taurean and....actually that's all I got.

Thoughts?

[King Ken]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.



They suggest #6 and Josh Jackson traded to Atlanta for #8 and #10 picks.

That's less than ideal for us. But if PHX is indeed open to moving back, what would be a realistic package?



I'm thinking #6 and Josh Jackson for #8, Taurean and....actually that's all I got.

Thoughts?

Not interested at all.

In fact, negative. A deal that would make sense is Tyler Johnson and 6 for #10 but there has to be a reason for us to move up to 6 and right now, i don't see any.

Just putting it out there now, we aren't interested in Capela unless it's for a reasonable cost like cap space and some lesser players. Nothing like a top 10 pick or our core pieces.

Something crazy has to happen like White, Garland and Morant are all off the board before 6.

[Jamaaliver]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.


Thoughts?

Not interested at all.

In fact, negative...there has to be a reason for us to move up to 6 and right now, i don't see any.

It's a deal we'd only make if one of J Culver or C Reddish is remaining on the board.

Word is we are high on each of those guys. If we believe either can be a star -- or that they are perfect fits next to Trae -- I support aggressively going after our target.


Though I'm reluctant to include both #8 and #10 without getting an All Star caliber player in return.

[kg01]

Josh Jackson was arguably toxic before his recent arrest, certainly untouchable now.

So it's not "a deal we'd only make if so-and-so is off the board". It's simply a bad deal.

[King Ken]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.


Thoughts?

Not interested at all.

In fact, negative...there has to be a reason for us to move up to 6 and right now, i don't see any.

It's a deal we'd only make if one of J Culver or C Reddish is remaining on the board.

Word is we are high on each of those guys. If we believe either can be a star -- or that they are perfect fits next to Trae -- I support aggressively going after our target.


Though I'm reluctant to include both #8 and #10 without getting an All Star caliber player in return.

For me, i am not sold on Culver the way the franchise seems to be.

That said, they like Hunter and Little too. Just from what I am hearing, trading up just doesn't seem to be of interest from 8 and 10. Now in general, they are trying to move up

Just from the 1-6 names. It seems like Hunter and Reddish will be at #7 at the least. Hunter obviously could go #4 if the Lakers trade the pick

[jayu70]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.


Thoughts?

Not interested at all.

In fact, negative...there has to be a reason for us to move up to 6 and right now, i don't see any.

Though I'm reluctant to include both #8 and #10 without getting an All Star caliber player in return.

I'd do the #6 and Johnson for #10.
Josh Jackson is a head case. Reminds me to much of Marquis Chriss.
I agree - no interest in giving up #8 and #10 to move up.

[dms269]

Phoenix's Fansided site has dueling articles suggesting Suns will (should be?) open to trading down from #6 as they are more focused on bringing in established players.



They suggest #6 and Josh Jackson traded to Atlanta for #8 and #10 picks.

That's less than ideal for us. But if PHX is indeed open to moving back, what would be a realistic package?



I'm thinking #6 and Josh Jackson for #8, Taurean and....actually that's all I got.

Thoughts?

Jackson has no where near the value they thing he has. He is awful offensively, doesn't have a position, and has had two arrests in a little over two years (the vandalism case and now the "Do you know who I am?"/Gingerbreadman incident), not to mention blowups with teammates/coaches.

Maybe if they wanted to give us 6+him for 8 and some 2nds then we could do that.

[Jamaaliver]

I think I found the proper destination for Taurean. We throw in #41 and get a pick in the late teens where we can reasonably grab Bruno, Kabengele, NAW, Hachimura or Bol Bol.

What should the Pacers expect in return if they trade the 18th pick?

Kevin Pritchard said the Pacers can be “super aggressive” this offseason as they seek to build around Victor Oladipo. But what exactly should the Pacers expect if they move the 18th overall pick in the draft? It’s outside of the lottery, so whoever ends up making the pick aren’t likely to take a player that impacts the team now, but it is still early enough in the draft to think they’ll find somebody worth playing.

With Oladipo returning from injury at some point this year (hopefully), it isn’t as if the Pacers are ready to take over the Eastern Conference either. However, with their star being 27 years old, there’s little value in waiting too long, either.

It wasn’t too long ago that Indiana swapped the 20th pick for Thaddeus Young. Looking at other similar trade, that might be the right expectation for a trade: A solid, above average player but not All-Star level.

Pacers -- Fansided

[azuresou1]

Re: Beal - very good player but agree with KG that that caps us as a 2nd round out in perpetuity. Hard pass.

Re: Taurean - I want a better return than the 18th pick in this draft. 3-15 is very flat, but so is 16-40ish. I'm not moving Taurean just to move him.

[azuresou1]

I floated a trade on the Trade Board that I think makes sense for us - Dragic and a future protected 1st for our three 2nd rounders.

Miami should be looking to unload salary since they'll be over the luxury tax, and frankly that roster is hard stuck in mediocrity. They need to find cheap talent.

[kg01]

I floated a trade on the Trade Board that I think makes sense for us - Dragic and a future protected 1st for our three 2nd rounders.

Miami should be looking to unload salary since they'll be over the luxury tax, and frankly that roster is hard stuck in mediocrity. They need to find cheap talent.

Miami should be looking to shed/re-tool but Riley's ego will force them to keep ramming their head into the wall of trying to "compete".

Only issue with bringing Dragic here is he's a guy who's balked at not being the starter. He certainly won't be that here.

[Jamaaliver]

Re: Taurean - I want a better return than the 18th pick in this draft. 3-15 is very flat, but so is 16-40ish. I'm not moving Taurean just to move him.

We got contract decisions to make regarding him this summer. If we don't appear to be on the same page regarding a reasonable rookie contract extension this summer, I trade him for almost anything of value at this point.

We have to stop letting valuable assets walk away for nothing. After losing Smoove, DeMarre, Horford and Millsap for little to no value, I'd be hard pressed to let anyone reach free agency.

Even RFA.

[Spud2nique]

Re: Taurean - I want a better return than the 18th pick in this draft. 3-15 is very flat, but so is 16-40ish. I'm not moving Taurean just to move him.

We got contract decisions to make regarding him this summer. If we don't appear to be on the same page regarding a reasonable rookie contract extension this summer, I trade him for almost anything of value at this point.

We have to stop letting valuable assets walk away for nothing. After losing Smoove, DeMarre, Horford and Millsap for little to no value, I'd be hard pressed to let anyone reach free agency.

Even RFA.

Would 8 and Taurean net us the Cavs 5th pick? We need Culver.

The 18th for Prince is decent but more interested in attaching it to move up in the draft to get quality over quantity. I don’t wanna carry more than 3 rookies on our roster this year. We would basically have 7 players with 1-3 years of experience. (Trae,JC, Huerter, Spell 2019 (3)). That’s almost the perfect amount for a core group on the same timeline moving forward. Imo.

[azuresou1]

We don't need to offer Taurean a rookie extension.

As a RFA, we have a huge amount of leverage. If he develops into a star, we lost out on a cheaper extension but we obviously keep him. If he develops into a great starter who we don't want to retain, we can move him at the deadline for a team that's looking to get his Bird rights and right to match. And if he stagnates or sucks, we simply let him walk.

That flexibility is worth way more to me than drafting a guy like Keldon Johnson or Brandon Clarke. I think the bottom half of the first is filled with probable busts or guys who top out as deep rotation guys.

[Spud2nique]

I swear I didn’t see this before posting on nba draft thread about grabbing RJ. Wow. Thoughts? Too hefty a price?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254010/Knicks-Explore-Trading-Down-From-No-3

[Spud2nique]

We don't need to offer Taurean a rookie extension.

As a RFA, we have a huge amount of leverage. If he develops into a star, we lost out on a cheaper extension but we obviously keep him. If he develops into a great starter who we don't want to retain, we can move him at the deadline for a team that's looking to get his Bird rights and right to match. And if he stagnates or sucks, we simply let him walk.

That flexibility is worth way more to me than drafting a guy like Keldon Johnson or Brandon Clarke. I think the bottom half of the first is filled with probable busts or guys who top out as deep rotation guys.

You literally named two of my fav prospects in Clarke and Keldon.

[Jamaaliver]

We don't need to offer Taurean a rookie extension.

If he develops into a great starter who we don't want to retain, we can move him at the deadline for a team that's looking to get his Bird rights and right to match.

And if he stagnates or sucks, we simply let him walk.

[Spud2nique]

Now BR report has us trading with Knicks too. Wow!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838852-knicks-2019-nba-draft-rumors-ny-considering-trading-3rd-pick-hawks-in-mix

[Roddy B for 3]

Would Atlanta trade #17 + #36 + #41 Miles Plummle + Alex Len for Gourgi Dieng + #7

(It's Atlanta's end of a three team deal)