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Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

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Draft Barrett
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#801 » by moocow007 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:52 pm

Richard4444 wrote:1) The trade down option is interesting. It dependes of who will fall to the 8th spot. If Culver, Cam or maybe Hunter falls to the 8th pick, a deal can be exciting.

2) With the 10pick, the better options would be Sekou and Clarke. They look like solid defenders to a win now scenario. I dont think we need another rookie center, but Goga would be favorite ahead of Bol Bol because his frame. Maybe with 2 Centers we could make sure to give only one of them in a trade to NO.

3) Atlanta has 3 Second round picks. Maybe a pick or a swap with 55pick could sweet the deal.

4) Who can assure Pelicans wants RJ Barret? Jrue Holiday, Zion, RJ, Dennis, Frank and Mitch are poor 3pt shooters.

5) 8 pick + 10 pick would cost us around 9M (agains 7,8M for the 3pick). It will harder to keep Trier and Dotson without aditional trades.
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The Pelicans would be in full full rebuild in that scenario. Team balance would not take priority over adding talent.

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#802 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 31, 2019 2:53 pm

Knicks interested in Nas Little?
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Post#803 » by F N 11 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:53 pm

Im not sure how to feel. Tank all year just to trade back? We must be really getting top free agents..
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Post#804 » by shtolky » Fri May 31, 2019 2:54 pm

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Perry isn't stupid folks. Rj will be a knick.



Due diligence seems to be his thing, which is great. He interviewed like 1000 coaching candidates when it seemed like Fiz was the guy all along. I still think we end up with RJ on draft night. Whether he plays for us or NO, that remains to be seen.
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Post#805 » by isiah_thomas » Fri May 31, 2019 2:55 pm

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#806 » by F N 11 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:55 pm

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RJ gunna make us regret it.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#807 » by F N 11 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:56 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Knicks interested in Nas Little?
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#808 » by Buttah304 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:56 pm

Yes RJ. Tell Memphis to go **** themselves.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#809 » by SARGO127 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Only way I trade down is if I get:
8+10+

Future, Collins, or Huerter
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Post#810 » by Milk » Fri May 31, 2019 2:57 pm

F N 11 wrote:Im not sure how to feel. Tank all year just to trade back? We must be really getting top free agents..


No worries, Begley said:

Any potential trade between the Knicks and the Hawks involving their first-round picks is not currently under "serious consideration" by either side, a league source told SNY.
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Post#811 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri May 31, 2019 2:59 pm

Buttah304 wrote:Yes RJ. Tell Memphis to go **** themselves.


He wants the knicks. Hopefully we dont f this up.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#812 » by iLLmatic860 » Fri May 31, 2019 3:02 pm

Media just hyping a non story. Lol Perry aint a fool. He listened to offers for KP all season. He just likes to explore his options which is smart.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#813 » by shtolky » Fri May 31, 2019 3:02 pm

Perry doesn't leak info. We apparently had KP deals and discussions lined up for months and yet the Dallas deal came out of nowhere. He barely talked at the combine. I don't buy we are under any serious consideration to do 3 for 8/10, just seems like speculation to me. Get ready for a lot of that leading up to the draft.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#814 » by SelbyCobra » Fri May 31, 2019 3:03 pm

ForzaMetro wrote:Can someone explain the Bol Bol fascination to me?

He’s a center in a guard league...he’s 7’2” and already has a foot injury on his resume that cost him a season...the best young prospect on our roster plays his position and you can’t play them together

I can’t remember being less interested in a lottery prospect. Hard, hard pass.


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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#815 » by GONYK » Fri May 31, 2019 3:03 pm

The salary implications alone of trading for two lotto picks makes me very dubious that the Knicks are seriously considering that.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#816 » by jermsknicks » Fri May 31, 2019 3:03 pm

Meat wrote:
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The one asset I really, really, really hope they hold is the DAL 2021 pick. I understand that, realistically, Mitch would have to go in any deal for AD, and the #3 has the most value of any asset out there. I'd hope that those two pieces would make up an acceptable majority of the deal and they could hold back that first, completely unprotected Mavs pick. Deal the second Mavs pick, a future Knicks pick, and/or any of the other youth to fill in on the back end of a Davis deal before moving that 2021 DAL pick - it provides so much flexibility and potential value.


take any pick you want if it means i can keep mitch.

the 2021 is unprotected, and mitch is the hometown boy.. they're both gone

No! I see you trying to get greedy over there Griffin. One or the other, or we let you trade for guys that won't resign. At least with RJ going to the Pelicans, you know the culture and chemistry will improve.
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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#817 » by WargamesX » Fri May 31, 2019 3:05 pm

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Only that Porter for McCollum deal would have been good. Jeez.... I hope they don't do this
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Post#818 » by jermsknicks » Fri May 31, 2019 3:06 pm

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#819 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri May 31, 2019 3:08 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
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Perry isn't stupid folks. Rj will be a knick.

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Re: Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo 

Post#820 » by GONYK » Fri May 31, 2019 3:11 pm

j4remi wrote:From that article, here are a few bits that got my attention.

Memphis wants to workout Barrett
Givony: There are few sure things in any draft. After I reported a couple of weeks ago from the combine that the Memphis Grizzlies informed interested parties that they intend to select Murray State's Ja Morant at No. 2, Memphis has been sending out some mixed messages. The Grizzlies' ownership group is still telling people around the league the team is locked in on Morant, but the front office has requested to have Barrett in for a private workout -- something he has declined but might revisit over the next three weeks, sources told ESPN.


The relevant bit about trading down and due diligence
And in recent weeks, the Knicks have been considering a number of alternative scenarios with the No. 3 pick that don't involve Barrett, according to multiple sources.
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New York has explored the possibility of trading back in the lottery, sources told ESPN, perhaps to acquire pieces that better complement potential high-volume All-Star free agents (such as Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving). Trading the No. 3 pick for the Atlanta Hawks' two first-rounders (Nos. 8 and 10) is under consideration by the Knicks, one source said. This is a similar package to the one Dallas used to move up in last year's draft -- trading the No. 5 pick and a top-five protected pick (which ended up being No. 10) to select Luka Doncic at No. 3. A move like this likely wouldn't happen until the draft was actually underway, as both teams would want to know which players are actually available with the No. 8 pick before consummating a trade.

In addition, the Knicks are looking closely at other draft prospects who might be in play at No. 3 but could also very well fall later in the top 10, including Cam Reddish, Jarrett Culver, Coby White and Nassir Little.


Some countering the Dunc'd On Podcast narrative here, these guys are much more bullish on Barrett overall

Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics, on par with James Harden.

He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.


But they still like Morant more, although honestly I feel like they're gassing him here.

Although slight and wiry, Morant is a more functional athlete, better decision-maker, superior facilitator, stronger ball handler, more capable shooter and more explosive finisher. He's easier to build around and loaded with more upside. While clearly better on the ball, let's not forget the fact that Morant actually shared the backcourt with OVC player of the year Jonathan Stark as a freshman and still put together an efficient season while helping the Racers to the NCAA tournament. The fact that Morant is likely a (poor) one-position defender at this stage and ball-dominant offensively sways in Barrett's favor in terms of modern fit, but I'd bet on a De'Aaron Fox/Trae Young hybrid guard with star potential as opposed to the versatility that comes along with a player like Barrett.


There's a LOT in there so I just grabbed a few parts to capture the general tone of things. This is one of those back and forth convo articles, but these dudes are mostly just co-signing each other anyway.


Fair analysis.

I agree that they are gassing up Morant.

Only questionable thing is quantifying Barrett's athleticism against Harden's.

It isn't Harden's athleticism that makes him who he is. It is his handle, footwork/craftiness, and his jumper.

Those are the areas that Barrett's game underwhelms at this point.

It really comes down to how much you are banking on his rate of improvement. They are bullish on it.

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