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Post#1601 » by Mojo Amok » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:16 am

montestewart wrote:I'm not necessarily predicting this, but another option would be "trading young players for old, or draft picks for unwanted-but-solid veterans," and balancing the salaries with Mahinmi, Howard, or one of the current FAs resigned.


I suppose it's possible, but the alignment of the planets suggests that high profile trades are unlikely. Maybe 35-40% of all the players in the league are free agents this summer, so the number of guys on the trade market who are major plusses over what would be available there is going to be limited. If win-now vets are desired, it's far more likely that a free agent is overpaid instead. The wizards have very little cap ballast and anything other than the Thrifty Scotsman's blue plate special is likely unpalatable.

And that's even assuming that the Wizards would be particularly piqued to get anything profound done. A first year GM really isn't going to be under much pressure regardless of Ted saying something like "uh, the playoffs would be cool...yeah" unless maybe Beal demands it. A few years out? Sure. Now? No.

Overall, the likely avenues towards putting together a team are really free agency first (staring with our own free agents), then the draft and lastly trades. Even aside from the Wizards, I don't know that there will be that many high profile trades this summer league-wide beyond the obvious from sellers like New Orleans and Memphis. There's too many free agents around for anyone to pay all that much on the trade market unless another impact player becomes available.
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Post#1602 » by doclinkin » Sun Apr 7, 2019 2:39 pm

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montestewart wrote:I'm not necessarily predicting this, but another option would be "trading young players for old, or draft picks for unwanted-but-solid veterans," and balancing the salaries with Mahinmi, Howard, or one of the current FAs resigned.


I suppose it's possible, but the alignment of the planets suggests that high profile trades are unlikely. Maybe 35-40% of all the players in the league are free agents this summer, so the number of guys on the trade market who are major plusses over what would be available there is going to be limited. If win-now vets are desired, it's far more likely that a free agent is overpaid instead. The wizards have very little cap ballast and anything other than the Thrifty Scotsman's blue plate special is likely unpalatable.

And that's even assuming that the Wizards would be particularly piqued to get anything profound done. A first year GM really isn't going to be under much pressure regardless of Ted saying something like "uh, the playoffs would be cool...yeah" unless maybe Beal demands it. A few years out? Sure. Now? No.

Overall, the likely avenues towards putting together a team are really free agency first (staring with our own free agents), then the draft and lastly trades. Even aside from the Wizards, I don't know that there will be that many high profile trades this summer league-wide beyond the obvious from sellers like New Orleans and Memphis. There's too many free agents around for anyone to pay all that much on the trade market unless another impact player becomes available.



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Post#1603 » by payitforward » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:00 am

Mojo Amok wrote:...Maybe 35-40% of all the players in the league are free agents this summer....

Wow! How'd that happen?
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Post#1604 » by Mojo Amok » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:15 am

doclinkin wrote:Hoopalotta! Missed reading you, friend. Been doing more important things I guess. Post more.


That's an uncanny ability you have there, Doc! But, yeah, I think I'll make the rounds here again. I actually find the current iteration of the team a lot easier to get behind than anything we've seen since middle 2017. Warts abound, but the mood is exceptional and the ball movement flirts with artistry at times.

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Mojo Amok wrote:...Maybe 35-40% of all the players in the league are free agents this summer....

Wow! How'd that happen?


Yeah, I might have overstated things slightly with 40%, but in my defense it was Saturday night and I gave up counting when I lost track the second time *hiccup*. Still, it is quite a substantial list of guys with multiple teams having 8 or 9 free agents:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20229609/nba-free-agent-2019-2020-team-team-lists

A lot of those player options will be picked up, but not all of them, making the exact count more difficult.

I believe overall that the large number of free agents has to do with the short term contracts being signed by teams that wanted to maintain flexibility, possibly for this summer specifically. Or maybe just because they can get guys cheaper on short term show-me deals?
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Post#1605 » by doclinkin » Mon Apr 8, 2019 2:30 am

Mojo Amok wrote:
doclinkin wrote:Hoopalotta! Missed reading you, friend. Been doing more important things I guess. Post more.


That's an uncanny ability you have there, Doc! But, yeah, I think I'll make the rounds here again. I actually find the current iteration of the team a lot easier to get behind than anything we've seen since middle 2017. Warts abound, but the mood is exceptional and the ball movement flirts with artistry at times.


Distinctive voice. The thrifty Scotsman's blue plate special reminded me I had done this before:

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Post#1606 » by payitforward » Mon May 20, 2019 4:16 pm

Oh Ted... amazing the way you manage over and over again to move this thread to the top of page 1!

This time it's the months of bungling the search for EG's replacement.
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Post#1607 » by FAH1223 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:33 pm

payitforward wrote:Oh Ted... amazing the way you manage over and over again to move this thread to the top of page 1!

This time it's the months of bungling the search for EG's replacement.

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Post#1608 » by queridiculo » Thu May 23, 2019 10:34 am

Fumble and bumble.. if that's your guy, you have to make an offer that he can't refuse, otherwise you just end up looking foolish.

So now we're a month away from the draft, a month and half from free agency and we're back to square one.

If only Leonsis had been this "diligent" when it came to hiring a coach or evaluating Grunfeld's body of work.
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Post#1610 » by gravytrain24 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:10 pm

So, instead of getting that GM for the team you announce that you're getting rid of two sections to put a bar. That's gonna go over well.
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Post#1611 » by 80sballboy » Thu May 30, 2019 8:59 pm

Looks like Ted is finally on Chris Miller's Wizards Talk podcast. Haven't listened to it yet.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wizards-talk/id1206090007

So now listening to the early part, he basically said the only person who spoke with was Ernie. Now he's talking to everybody from Brooks on down. Admitted that a mistake and took the blame for the Wiz woes that a "fish rots from the head down."
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Post#1612 » by 80sballboy » Thu May 30, 2019 9:26 pm

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Post#1613 » by gravytrain24 » Thu May 30, 2019 10:25 pm

So why did he think this way was acceptable for so many years when what he was doing with the caps actually provided consistent results. I can't wait to listen to this on the drive home.
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Post#1614 » by Illmatic12 » Thu May 30, 2019 10:40 pm

Just listened to the whole Leonsis sit down
gravytrain24 wrote:So why did he think this way was acceptable for so many years when what he was doing with the caps actually provided consistent results. I can't wait to listen to this on the drive home.

Well in Ted's view, starting from when he took over in 2010 the rebuild was on track and nothing Ernie did really set off any alarm bells until these past few seasons when they started to lose. At least that's what I gathered from his comments in the interview.

Tbf if we're just isolating the Leonsis-era Wizards, he kind of has a point. Ernie did manage to get Arenas off the books and successfully initiate the rebuild (granted landing Wall at #1 was a stroke of luck), under his watch they matured into a viable playoff team with a promising young core, local TV ratings were booming , and as recently as 2017 it seemed like they were just 1-2 pieces away from contention. You could see how in the eyes of a non-basketball mind like Leonsis , the team wasn't "failing" per se up until these last two years.

But NBA junkies like those of us on RealGM who get deep into the finer points of basketball were forecasting years ago that this team had shallow depth and poor coaching, and the lack of draft picks would eventually catch up to them.
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Post#1615 » by gravytrain24 » Fri May 31, 2019 6:01 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Just listened to the whole Leonsis sit down
gravytrain24 wrote:So why did he think this way was acceptable for so many years when what he was doing with the caps actually provided consistent results. I can't wait to listen to this on the drive home.

Well in Ted's view, starting from when he took over in 2010 the rebuild was on track and nothing Ernie did really set off any alarm bells until these past few seasons when they started to lose. At least that's what I gathered from his comments in the interview.

Tbf if we're just isolating the Leonsis-era Wizards, he kind of has a point. Ernie did manage to get Arenas off the books and successfully initiate the rebuild (granted landing Wall at #1 was a stroke of luck), under his watch they matured into a viable playoff team with a promising young core, local TV ratings were booming , and as recently as 2017 it seemed like they were just 1-2 pieces away from contention. You could see how in the eyes of a non-basketball mind like Leonsis , the team wasn't "failing" per se up until these last two years.

But NBA junkies like those of us on RealGM who get deep into the finer points of basketball were forecasting years ago that this team had shallow depth and poor coaching, and the lack of draft picks would eventually catch up to them.

I listened to it this morning and what stood out to me is that he mentioned how he had done business with the caps and then with the wizards it was a deal set in place that he only talked to Ernie and no one else. He's the owner of the team, at any point, if he wanted to connect with assistants or coach he should do that. Take time to learn about your other organization, but call me a sucker if I think he finally heard the fans and is making smart moves that will benefit the organization now but relating your GM searching to dating, while understandable, not great to go by.
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Post#1616 » by 80sballboy » Fri May 31, 2019 8:09 pm

More about Ted from The Athletic


By Fred Katz 1h ago 1
WASHINGTON — The message was clear. Ted Leonsis was pushing patience over all else.

The Wizards owner guested on Chris Miller’s podcast, NBC Sports Washington’s Wizards Talk, on Thursday, spending most of the appearance discussing a front-office vacancy that’s lingered since he fired the former president of basketball operations Ernie Grunfeld on April 2. He made it apparent over the 36-minute interview that he doesn’t believe waiting eight and a half weeks (and maybe more) for a replacement is a problem.

On its face, he’s correct. But that’s because he’s misappropriating some of the criticism. The concern here is not that finding the next Grunfeld has taken two months and counting; it’s that he hasn’t used two full months to his advantage.

“I’ve invested in; I’ve led, I’ve run other multibillion-dollar franchises. The notion that you would hire a leader in a two-hour interview in business would be scoffed at. It would be, that’s irresponsible to your shareholders,” Leonsis told Miller. “And so my intent on this is to be very, very thorough in all of the due diligence, which continues, to put the actual work in.”

He expanded later in the interview.

“I don’t think it’s the right process to meet a person for two hours and then bring them back and spend two or three hours with them and say, ‘That’s the person,’” he said. “I think there’s a lot of due diligence that’s involved.”

Those quotes might be logical. But Leonsis’ actions don’t match his words.

The Wizards have interviewed three known external candidates: At-the-time Rockets VP of basketball operations Gersson Rosas (who has since gone to the Timberwolves), Thunder VP of basketball ops Troy Weaver and former Cavaliers, Hawks and Pelicans general manager Danny Ferry. The team has spoken with the interim Tommy Sheppard, as well.

They’ve interviewed Ferry and Weaver twice. And Leonsis is correct: You don’t hire an unfamiliar character to a high-profile job after only five hours of getting to know him or her. But here’s the thing: No reasonable argument would implore him to do that.

Who cares that it’s been two months? The real issue is that Leonsis has had two months to get to know candidates and instead, he’s spent only a few hours with the leading ones. As The Athletic wrote less than a week ago, the problem here isn’t the timeline. It’s the process behind it.

“We’re gonna give you a lot of time. This is the first time I’m ever meeting these people,” Leonsis said. “That’s what’s been kind of funny. It’s like, I’ve been married for 33 years. It’s not like I went on the first date with my wife — I might’ve had the internal voice that said, ‘This is the woman I wanna marry,’ but I didn’t at the end of dinner say, ‘Hey, let’s get married!’ She probably would’ve run away. ‘This guy’s crazy! Making me an offer to get married on the first date?!’”

Yep, it would be totally bonkers to propose after a first date. But it’s also not much crazier to go on two short dates over two months and hope your love interest will call you back when you text after weeks of not speaking. And it’s not too effective a strategy when you know you have to marry someone in the coming months.

Let’s string the analogy even further. One of the oddities of the Wizards’ search came relatively early in the process. In a now month-old conversation with a source held shortly after Washington reeled off interviews for Rosas, Weaver and Ferry all in the same day, the source referred to the trio of meetings as “speed dating.” The Wizards brought all three of the aforementioned candidates in for interviews on April 30. That raised some red flags with people around the league.

Maybe it’s not unheard of, but it’s certainly abnormal to pack three team president interviews into one day, especially when the group conducting them hadn’t interviewed anyone for four weeks before. Normally, candidates will receive their own days and thus, meet with team officials for however long is necessary — probably, so people doing the interviews don’t have to make decisions based on only a couple hours of personal interaction.

All of this ignores, of course, that Leonsis already hid a ring in Tim Connelly’s champagne glass shortly after meeting with him. Connelly, president of the Denver Nuggets, flew to the DMV on Friday, May 24. He received an offer to run the Wizards that weekend after the team waited more than six weeks for Denver to get eliminated from the playoffs so it could speak to him. The Athletic reported that Connelly was Washington’s top target the same day the team fired Grunfeld.

The Connelly chase elicits another question about Leonsis’ process.

If the No. 1 theme during Leonsis’ podcast with Miller was patience, No. 2 was collaboration. He wants a more synergetic front office. When Grunfeld was in power, the owner met only with his president. No one else. As he put it, “That was the deal we cut.” Fascinating phrasing, to say the least. He wants to change that and become part of what he calls “the new NBA.” He wants other intelligent staffers to have more of a voice.

If Connelly had come to D.C., he would’ve received a president title, and he would’ve been a clear No. 1. But he’s also credited for much of the up-and-down positive culture in Denver. Could the Wizards be looking for someone to replicate that kind of vibe?

Leonsis implied he wouldn’t meet with someone whose team is still in the postseason.

“There’s a lot of teams that are in the playoffs, and I wouldn’t let my key people in the playoffs go and interview,” he said.

Could he still be waiting for someone? There are, after all, two teams still playing basketball. NBC Sports Washington and some others have linked the search to Raptors president Masai Ujiri. Of course, Ujiri already makes about twice what Grunfeld was earning, according to sources, and would logically command more than that to head anywhere else. (That’s not to mention that Ujiri is under contract and Toronto ownership could easily not allow the Wizards to speak with him at all — or could demand multiple unprotected first-round picks as compensation for letting him out of his deal.)

No matter if it’s a big name or a small one, Leonsis will do his due diligence, which is the only intelligent way to play it. But one thing is for sure: The NBA is packed with smart people, and if he wants to meet available candidates or get to know the ones he’s already interviewed better, nothing is stopping him.

“Our fans, our employees, my partners, they deserve a fully vetted, fully researched, strong point of view on why we’re making a hire, who we’re hiring, why we’re hiring them, how it’ll fit,” Leonsis said. “And my expectation is that we’re gonna build a new team. And it’ll have a lot of people who are here. It’ll have a lot of new people.”
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Post#1617 » by tontoz » Fri May 31, 2019 9:13 pm

“And so my intent on this is to be very, very thorough in all of the due diligence, which continues, to put the actual work in.”


Where was all this due diligence when EG was resigned again and again in spite of a dismal record?
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Post#1618 » by Dark Faze » Fri May 31, 2019 9:35 pm

eff Leonsis

signing off on the Oubre and Porter trades was such a **** show
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Post#1619 » by nate33 » Fri May 31, 2019 9:49 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Well in Ted's view, starting from when he took over in 2010 the rebuild was on track and nothing Ernie did really set off any alarm bells until these past few seasons when they started to lose. At least that's what I gathered from his comments in the interview.

Tbf if we're just isolating the Leonsis-era Wizards, he kind of has a point. Ernie did manage to get Arenas off the books and successfully initiate the rebuild (granted landing Wall at #1 was a stroke of luck), under his watch they matured into a viable playoff team with a promising young core, local TV ratings were booming , and as recently as 2017 it seemed like they were just 1-2 pieces away from contention. You could see how in the eyes of a non-basketball mind like Leonsis , the team wasn't "failing" per se up until these last two years.

What's frustrating is that the team won 49 games in 2017 almost solely due to the exploits of the Wall, Beal and Porter. Wall and Beal were no brainer picks that EG deserves no credit for. The only pick where EG deserved any credit was Porter. But at the same time, that 49-win team was saddled with a horrible supporting cast because EG squandered asset after asset over the years. We can run down the list: the Vesely draft, the Mahinmi signing, sacrificing a pick to clean up the mess after the Nicholson signing, etc. etc.

So the one positive in EG's tenure on Ted was the Porter draft. Nearly every other move was a disaster. Yet Ted believed EG was doing a good job.
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Post#1620 » by Illmatic12 » Fri May 31, 2019 10:43 pm

nate33 wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Well in Ted's view, starting from when he took over in 2010 the rebuild was on track and nothing Ernie did really set off any alarm bells until these past few seasons when they started to lose. At least that's what I gathered from his comments in the interview.

Tbf if we're just isolating the Leonsis-era Wizards, he kind of has a point. Ernie did manage to get Arenas off the books and successfully initiate the rebuild (granted landing Wall at #1 was a stroke of luck), under his watch they matured into a viable playoff team with a promising young core, local TV ratings were booming , and as recently as 2017 it seemed like they were just 1-2 pieces away from contention. You could see how in the eyes of a non-basketball mind like Leonsis , the team wasn't "failing" per se up until these last two years.

What's frustrating is that the team won 49 games in 2017 almost solely due to the exploits of the Wall, Beal and Porter. Wall and Beal were no brainer picks that EG deserves no credit for. The only pick where EG deserved any credit was Porter. But at the same time, that 49-win team was saddled with a horrible supporting cast because EG squandered asset after asset over the years. We can run down the list: the Vesely draft, the Mahinmi signing, sacrificing a pick to clean up the mess after the Nicholson signing, etc. etc.

So the one positive in EG's tenure on Ted was the Porter draft. Nearly every other move was a disaster. Yet Ted believed EG was doing a good job.

Nate, Markieff Morris was really good in 2017 also. And that was Gortat's best season as well I believe. Both were guys that Ernie went out and acquired. Now many of us predicted that those players would eventually decline and/or cause chemistry issues based on their track record, but most NBA owners do not understand the dynamics of basketball on that kind of granular level. In Ted's eyes those were moves that Grunfeld deserved credit for at the time.

Ernie had also just gone out and hired Scott Brooks, who I believe was 3rd in Coach of the Year voting. Again, people who are well-versed in the basketball world had a feeling that he would eventually lose the locker room and his offensive strategy leaves much to be desired, but being that Ted is coming from an ownership perspective and is not a basketball expert he likely wouldn't have viewed it that way. At that point in time they looked like positive moves in Ernie's favor.

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