OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois

[NWIBullsFan]

I wonder how long it will take before there are shops you can just walk into. Whether medical dispensaries will just be converted to recreational or what.

From what I've read, they expect to start selling on Jan 1. If it's like most states, the MMJ shops will be able to sell both right away, while others are getting their recreational licenses.

I know in some states, shops sell both, the only difference being that MMJ patients don't have to pay the sales tax.

[Jcool0]

Smh Illinois out of all states should not have weed legalized. The crime rate is going to increase even more now in result to this.

Where did you come up with this theory?

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

[RedBulls23]

Smh Illinois out of all states should not have weed legalized. The crime rate is going to increase even more now in result to this.

Where did you come up with this theory?

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

Yeah, there's no credible evidence that shows that marijuana being legal increases crime rate. Unless you have proof in data, I'd call your comment a wild theory.

[wonderboy2]

Smh Illinois out of all states should not have weed legalized. The crime rate is going to increase even more now in result to this.

Where did you come up with this theory?

You might be surprised at how many uneducated folks still place weed on the same level as crack, meth and heroin.

Weed is ONLY dangerous if you get arrested for possessing it.

Nobody is saying Weed is on the same level as crack, meth, and heroin. But Giving weed to the wrong person can have bad effects. Btw I worked on the fire department/ ambulance and saw first hand what weed can do to some people, especially people who have diagnosed/ undiagnosed mental health disorders such as schizophrenia and other issues.

[NWIBullsFan]

Where did you come up with this theory?

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

I think maybe some folks have watched "Reefer Madness" a few too many times.

[wonderboy2]

Where did you come up with this theory?

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

Yeah, there's no credible evidence that shows that marijuana being legal increases crime rate. Unless you have proof in data, I'd call your comment a wild theory.

Go right ahead lol. It might be a theory to some but people who claim that weed is harmless is kidding themselves. And it can cause very bad negative effects in some people.

[RedBulls23]

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

Yeah, there's no credible evidence that shows that marijuana being legal increases crime rate. Unless you have proof in data, I'd call your comment a wild theory.

Go right ahead lol. It might be a theory to some but people who claim that weed is harmless is kidding themselves. And it can cause very bad negative effects in some people.

I never argued this, and you are moving the goal post.

Once again, show me credible data that shows marijuana being legal will increase the crime rate.

[bearadonisdna]

Double post

[bearadonisdna]

Basically I just vape.
Weed is a poison but the decriminalization makes it more humane for consumption as it can provide medicinal advantages

[TheSuzerain]

Weed can definitely have negative health effects, including schizophrenia.

But legalization in Colorado had only marginal effects on increased usage. And obviously it avoids the damage done by the "War on Drugs". So a net positive in my view, not to mention the tax revenue.

[wonderboy2]

Yeah, there's no credible evidence that shows that marijuana being legal increases crime rate. Unless you have proof in data, I'd call your comment a wild theory.

Go right ahead lol. It might be a theory to some but people who claim that weed is harmless is kidding themselves. And it can cause very bad negative effects in some people.

I never argued this, and you are moving the goal post.

Once again, show me credible data that shows marijuana being legal will increase the crime rate.

Don’t have to show u **** honestly. Just working on the street and seeing the effects that it has had on some people that otherwise wouldn’t have been affected by it is proof in itself. People being more regularly exposed to it without consequences can cause even more problems. Seen people who were non-violent people have really bad outbursts that would shock you due to underlying issues. People who have predisposing issues can now use the drug without consequence which can cause havoc for people/workers who have to deal with these issues on a regular. I guess to the general population it’s a non issue but for people who are working on the streets and have to encounter these issues everyday it becomes more real.

[DanTown8587]

Where did you come up with this theory?

You might be surprised at how many uneducated folks still place weed on the same level as crack, meth and heroin.

Weed is ONLY dangerous if you get arrested for possessing it.

Nobody is saying Weed is on the same level as crack, meth, and heroin. But Giving weed to the wrong person can have bad effects. Btw I worked on the fire department/ ambulance and saw first hand what weed can do to some people, especially people who have diagnosed/ undiagnosed mental health disorders such as schizophrenia and other issues.

This is true of many people and many things that are legal (such as gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, opioids, unhealthy food, driving) yet your definition is unlikely consistent to that.

Obviously some people will be harmed by legal weed but people are harmed by any decision we make. Everything has costs, the question I ask is it worth it for society to imprison and criminalize so many people, majority of which are people of color and/or lower socioeconomic ranks, for a fairly harmless drug that compares quite favorably to many legal vices in terms of danger.

How many more people with mental problems end up in prison for smoking weed and then struggle to get the help they need because of their criminal record?

Can’t be perfect and we don’t expect that.

[DanTown8587]

Go right ahead lol. It might be a theory to some but people who claim that weed is harmless is kidding themselves. And it can cause very bad negative effects in some people.

I never argued this, and you are moving the goal post.

Once again, show me credible data that shows marijuana being legal will increase the crime rate.

Don’t have to show u **** honestly. Just working on the street and seeing the effects that it has had on some people that otherwise wouldn’t have been affected by it is proof in itself. People being more regularly exposed to it without consequences can cause even more problems. Seen people who were non-violent people have really bad outbursts that would shock you due to underlying issues. People who have predisposing issues can now use the drug without consequence which can cause havoc for people/workers who have to deal with these issues on a regular. I guess to the general population it’s a non issue but for people who are working on the streets and have to encounter these issues everyday it becomes more real.

Your grasp of mental illness is really poor if you’re suggesting otherwise in-control people all of the sudden lose it primarily because they smoke weed. I mean that’s a hell of a stance that really flies in the face of what mental illness is and frankly, I won’t stand for it.

[League Circles]

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.

Yeah, there's no credible evidence that shows that marijuana being legal increases crime rate. Unless you have proof in data, I'd call your comment a wild theory.

Go right ahead lol. It might be a theory to some but people who claim that weed is harmless is kidding themselves. And it can cause very bad negative effects in some people.

That's all good and fine but still doesn't project an increase in crime. Waaaaay more crime is related to violence among dealers than due to the rare random schizophrenic or whoever who does something wild on it.

[League Circles]

Weed can definitely have negative health effects, including schizophrenia.

But legalization in Colorado had only marginal effects on increased usage. And obviously it avoids the damage done by the "War on Drugs". So a net positive in my view, not to mention the tax revenue.

This is the bottom line.

I think there are great things about cannabis. I also think there are bad things. If I'm being honest I'd say it's better to never try it than to try it cause the drawbacks outweigh the positives IMO. Bug lots of things are like that that aren't and shouldn't be illegal. And we desperately need to be competitive in luring people to the state largely for financial reasons which the tax revenue then gets added on to. And the whole freedom issue and comparison with alcohol are frankly enough on their own to justify legalization.

[wonderboy2]

You might be surprised at how many uneducated folks still place weed on the same level as crack, meth and heroin.

Weed is ONLY dangerous if you get arrested for possessing it.

Nobody is saying Weed is on the same level as crack, meth, and heroin. But Giving weed to the wrong person can have bad effects. Btw I worked on the fire department/ ambulance and saw first hand what weed can do to some people, especially people who have diagnosed/ undiagnosed mental health disorders such as schizophrenia and other issues.

This is true of many people and many things that are legal (such as gambling, alcohol, cigarettes, opioids, unhealthy food, driving) yet your definition is unlikely consistent to that.

Obviously some people will be harmed by legal weed but people are harmed by any decision we make. Everything has costs, the question I ask is it worth it for society to imprison and criminalize so many people, majority of which are people of color and/or lower socioeconomic ranks, for a fairly harmless drug that compares quite favorably to many legal vices in terms of danger.

How many more people with mental problems end up in prison for smoking weed and then struggle to get the help they need because of their criminal record?

Can’t be perfect and we don’t expect that.

I understand 100 percent where people are comming from. And if I am being completely honest if I was looking at it from a general population standpoint I would probably agree with most people on here. But here’s the problem. Mental health issues are on the rise. It’s not uncommon for first responders to get calls 7-8 psych calls in one day on the low end in some areas. I don’t know any good way to say this but Drugs and Psych patients do not go well together, it can be very dangerous for EVERYONE that is involved. I won’t go into detail about some horrific stuff that can go wrong due to this being a basketball board. It may seem harmless at first until you see little kids and other everyday people becoming the victim.

[wonderboy2]

I never argued this, and you are moving the goal post.

Once again, show me credible data that shows marijuana being legal will increase the crime rate.

Don’t have to show u **** honestly. Just working on the street and seeing the effects that it has had on some people that otherwise wouldn’t have been affected by it is proof in itself. People being more regularly exposed to it without consequences can cause even more problems. Seen people who were non-violent people have really bad outbursts that would shock you due to underlying issues. People who have predisposing issues can now use the drug without consequence which can cause havoc for people/workers who have to deal with these issues on a regular. I guess to the general population it’s a non issue but for people who are working on the streets and have to encounter these issues everyday it becomes more real.

Your grasp of mental illness is really poor if you’re suggesting otherwise in-control people all of the sudden lose it primarily because they smoke weed. I mean that’s a hell of a stance that really flies in the face of what mental illness is and frankly, I won’t stand for it.

Again I’m going to say this one more time. Not everybody who has mental illness is gong to react harshly to smoking weed. SOME DO. And it has happened. But I will say this and you can disagree with me all that you want, people who are have mental illness and do drugs including weed are putting themselves in a very bad position.

[Fantastik_Goat]

Smh Illinois out of all states should not have weed legalized. The crime rate is going to increase even more now in result to this.

Why would you say this? Illinois is not in the top half of states with the worst crime rates. I know people get blinded by the reports of Chicago’s high total murder and shooting numbers, but the murder and violent crime rate in Chicago is not the highest. Chicago has the lowest violent crime rate in the central division. Chicago’s murder rate is 25 highest of us cities and lower than Montana’s suicide rate.

[Jimako10]

Not a big fan of making weed available to everyone. Most people can handle it fine but it does ruin some lives.

That said, it already is available to everyone. The fact that it is illegal makes it ruin even more lives. Instead of getting tax revenue from the sale of this crap we pay money to criminalize and incarcerate.

To add to this, the fact that alcohol is legal, which has similar if not worse issues with addiction and mental impairment makes it simply illogical for weed to be illegal.

It's beyond ridiculous that alcohol is legal while weed is not if we are basing on addiction. The physical addiction of alcohol is on par with heroin, while weed is on the level of caffeine, yet weed is a federal schedule 1 drug.

[Mbrahv0528]

Not a big fan of making weed available to everyone. Most people can handle it fine but it does ruin some lives.

That said, it already is available to everyone. The fact that it is illegal makes it ruin even more lives. Instead of getting tax revenue from the sale of this crap we pay money to criminalize and incarcerate.

To add to this, the fact that alcohol is legal, which has similar if not worse issues with addiction and mental impairment makes it simply illogical for weed to be illegal.

Similar? What??? These 2 drugs are in different stratosphere's in regards to addiction and impairment. This type of ignorance and misinformation is EXACTLY why we have pot prohibition in the first place.

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