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Post#1401 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:53 am

Dan Z wrote:If The Bulls draft Hunter, Culver or Reddish do they slowly bring them along? Next year the Bulls will have LaVine, Porter Jr, Chandler Hutchison and Denzel Valentine at the 2 and 3 positions.


Well they still have no point Guard.
Dunn , arci, lemon Jr, Harrison is not the worst batch.

Imo the draft pick will have to beat out Dunn in training camp.
It's doable, maybe not. Dunn could surprise ppl.
After really bad repeior, now lauri and Zach consistently found success with him on the floor.
Hunter or culver could conceivably be a 1st day starters. Culver probably more adept at the 1 than Hunter.

Hunter could be a Jimmy butler to me. Ppl have said kawhi. Ppl say Hunter is still but I see some fluidity on his finishes that makes him probably a tougher 2 guard than culver.

If culver could develop at the 1 and naturally push Zach 2 the 2g that would be ideal.

Same for Hunter.
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Post#1402 » by cjbulls » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:11 am

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rtblues wrote:The best lowest ranked player and probably the sleeper pick of this draft is Brandon Clarke. 6-8, 210, PF/C - Gonzaga
Troll me now, see you at the end of next season. There are a few certain key stats I consider and he knocks it out of the park looking at those.

Time will tell, just going on record now. Love this guy!


I've been mentioning him as well. To me, it's pretty clear that he's going to end up being a bigger impact player than anyone we'll draft. I don't care if we have two young bigs already, there's enough minutes for the three of them. That said, Minnesota seems like a great landing spot for him.


I have to respectfully disagree. His lack of length and lack of youth put him close to the David nawabs category. He can play, but he isn’t a difference maker other than on one end. Replaceable
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Post#1403 » by GimmeDat » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:42 am

I think Clarke's going to be an impact player. His lack of length has never inhibited him; his pogo stick hops and insane awareness/IQ on defense has been more than enough. Statistically, he was the only player remotely in Zion's stratosphere production wise, putting up a 37 PER, 24pp/40 on 70% TS.

He will be a bit limited offensively, the jump-shot continuing to develop will be important for him, but he's far from a non-factor on that end and he's a beast defensively.

Kinda just put off from drafting him due to the big situation though. I agree, alongside KAT is a great fit.
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Post#1404 » by CP War Hawks » Sat Jun 1, 2019 10:45 am

Just wanted to come over here and check the pulse with Cam at #7. Nice to see most recognize the "Redd" flags that keeps popping up around this dude.

Over on our draft board, people are looking through "Redd" colored glasses when it comes to him. Almost like when fully healthy from this minor core injury, he will add 5 inches to his vertical, become more agile, add quickness, etc.

These draft insiders insists our GM loves the guy and will not get past 8 or 10, so I'd have to trust his judgement with the outcome.
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Post#1405 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 10:46 am

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Dan Z wrote:If The Bulls draft Hunter, Culver or Reddish do they slowly bring them along? Next year the Bulls will have LaVine, Porter Jr, Chandler Hutchison and Denzel Valentine at the 2 and 3 positions.


Well they still have no point Guard.
Dunn , arci, lemon Jr, Harrison is not the worst batch.

Imo the draft pick will have to beat out Dunn in training camp.
It's doable, maybe not. Dunn could surprise ppl.
After really bad repeior, now lauri and Zach consistently found success with him on the floor.
Hunter or culver could conceivably be a 1st day starters. Culver probably more adept at the 1 than Hunter.

Hunter could be a Jimmy butler to me. Ppl have said kawhi. Ppl say Hunter is still but I see some fluidity on his finishes that makes him probably a tougher 2 guard than culver.


Dunn, Lavine and Lauri were absolutely awful together. Bulls were -8.1 per 100 with that trio on the floor together. Which would basically be exactly where the Bulls ranked as a team overall .... good for the 4th worst point differential and record in the NBA.

If culver could develop at the 1 and naturally push Zach 2 the 2g that would be ideal.

Same for Hunter.


Ideal? What? I'm not trying to be a dick, but, sorry, neither Hunter or Culver are going to develop at the 1. Hunter is a SF/PF not a point guard by any stretch of the imagination. Culver is a SG/SF and not a point guard by any stretch of the imagination. Culver could possibly play some 2 for us but even that is not ideal.... with Lavine.
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Post#1406 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 11:00 am

Just to elaborate on the above....

Beard slides Culver around the lineup. He starts in a three-guard offense next to two ball handlers (senior Matt Mooney and sophomore Davide Moretti) and two traditional big men (seniors Tariq Owens and Norense Odiase). Culver also plays a lot of power forward over the course of the game, and his ability to guard bigger players gives Tech all the offensive benefits of playing four perimeter players without losing anything on defense. It’s important for his offense, too, because Culver isn’t a great outside shooter (31.6 percent from 3). He needs the extra space that smaller lineups create to attack the rim.


https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2019/4/5/18295786/jarret-culver-texas-tech-nba-draft

Even in college at TT, Culver was more of a 3/4 than a 2 (certainly not a 1). It worked for Tech because Beard could throw him out there with two good ball handlers in that 3 guard set, but he played a lot of 4 in their small lineups. He's not enough of a ball handler or outside shooter to be a PG. I suppose it depends on how much you believe in Lavine as a #1 option and pseudo PG because that is the only way you could use Culver in a positionless lineup with Lavine, Otto, Lauri and WCJ. I don't like it and don't think the Bulls would have much of a chance to be a winning team.
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Post#1407 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 1, 2019 11:34 am

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His camp would’ve just said he had a promise and shut it down in that case.


Aren't they theoretically shutting it down with that news?


They are, but again, why not just say you have a promise?

A promise sounds way better than an injury. You could still have the procedure, but it wouldn’t be the reason you’re shutting down workouts.


It's very unlikely an agent would announce that their client is about to have any kind of surgery less than a month before the draft without having the confidence that he'll be drafted at certain spot regardless. It's plausible they have received a promise from a team they like and have decided to put that info out there to shut things down. I see him going to the Knicks if they actually trade down, or possibly the Bulls at 7. In fact, based on our lovefest with the Duke guys, we are the team to watch in this affair.
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Post#1408 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 11:52 am

GimmeDat wrote:I think Clarke's going to be an impact player. His lack of length has never inhibited him; his pogo stick hops and insane awareness/IQ on defense has been more than enough. Statistically, he was the only player remotely in Zion's stratosphere production wise, putting up a 37 PER, 24pp/40 on 70% TS.

He will be a bit limited offensively, the jump-shot continuing to develop will be important for him, but he's far from a non-factor on that end and he's a beast defensively.

Kinda just put off from drafting him due to the big situation though. I agree, alongside KAT is a great fit.


Yeah, Clarke is definitely a sleeper in this draft, IMO. He's moving up my board the more I see of him. I would draft him if he's the BPA regardless of position. I haven't done enough homework on him but from the tourney, he was probably the most impressive player to me. He might be better than a few of the "top 6" that everyone seems to think are the top guys in this draft. He's the sleeper along with his teammate Rui. But Rui can shoot and I would prefer him. The two Zags might be the two sleepers in this draft.

Clarke is a beast. He is athletic and has mad hops and great hands around the rim. The guys just dunks everything and blocks shots better than any other prospect I've watched.

I would take Clarke or Hachimura both over Cam Reddish. For sure.
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Post#1409 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 1, 2019 11:52 am

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AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
JimmyJammer wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Cam Reddish got a promise? Am I being a conspiracy theorist?


His camp would’ve just said he had a promise and shut it down in that case.

I'm wondering if he had some bad private workouts.

Maybe he was always going to get this surgery, but after he had some bad workouts, they decide to do the surgery now to make it look like an excuse.


As far as I know, Reddish has not had any individual workout yet. He had a pro-day which he killed and is scheduled to meet with the Knicks in 3 days for a face-to-face and possibly a workout. Apparently, there are many in the Knicks organization who really love Reddish and also think that his game will translate well in the NBA.

Reddish, 19, averaged 13.5 points per game and 3.7 rebounds per game as part of a stacked freshman class at Duke which included Barrett and likely No. 1 pick Zion Williamson.

Some of New York's talent evaluators are fans of Reddish, as SNY reported before the NBA Lottery.

Reddish, a 6-8 wing with a 7-1 wingspan, didn't shoot well from beyond the arc this season. But those in the Knicks' organization who like Reddish see his game translating well to the NBA.

Reddish is among several prospects the Knicks will meet with and workout ahead of the draft. The club also has a workout scheduled with Texas Tech's Jarrett Culver, who some in the organization are high on.

The club will probably make and take calls about potentially trading the No. 3 pick ahead of the June 20 draft. If the Knicks were to trade down, Reddish and Culver would be among the players on their radar.

Reddish will likely workout for the Knicks during his visit. Worth noting: planned workouts can change or be cancelled because of the fluid nature of the pre-draft process.


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Post#1410 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 1, 2019 12:03 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:I think Clarke's going to be an impact player. His lack of length has never inhibited him; his pogo stick hops and insane awareness/IQ on defense has been more than enough. Statistically, he was the only player remotely in Zion's stratosphere production wise, putting up a 37 PER, 24pp/40 on 70% TS.

He will be a bit limited offensively, the jump-shot continuing to develop will be important for him, but he's far from a non-factor on that end and he's a beast defensively.

Kinda just put off from drafting him due to the big situation though. I agree, alongside KAT is a great fit.


Yeah, Clarke is definitely a sleeper in this draft, IMO. He's moving up my board the more I see of him. I would draft him if he's the BPA regardless of position. I haven't done enough homework on him but from the tourney, he was probably the most impressive player to me. He might be better than a few of the "top 6" that everyone seems to think are the top guys in this draft. He's the sleeper along with his teammate Rui. The two Zags might be the two sleepers in this draft.

Clarke is a beast. He is athletic and has mad hops and great hands around the rim. The guys just dunks everything and blocks shots better than any other prospect I've watched.

I would take Clarke or Hachimura both over Cam Reddish. For sure.


I have been hearing on the radio if the Knicks trade down for Atlanta's 8 and 10 pick, they would draft Reddish with the 8th and Clarke or Huchimara with the 10th pick.
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Post#1411 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 12:05 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:
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His camp would’ve just said he had a promise and shut it down in that case.

I'm wondering if he had some bad private workouts.

Maybe he was always going to get this surgery, but after he had some bad workouts, they decide to do the surgery now to make it look like an excuse.


As far as I know, Reddish has not had any individual workout yet. He had a pro-day which he killed and is scheduled to meet with the Knicks in 3 days for a face-to-face and possibly a workout. Apparently, there are many in the Knicks organization who really love Reddish and also think that his game will translate well in the NBA.


Everyone kills their "pro day". .. they are choreographed workouts designed to highlight a players strengths and hide their weaknesses. Reddish is the one player I will be sick to my stomach if the Bulls draft. I would take anybody being talked about over him. Hell, I might even prefer trading 7 for Ball over taking Reddish with the pick.

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I have been hearing on the radio if the Knicks trade down for Atlanta's 8 and 10 pick, they would draft Reddish with the 8th and Clarke or Huchimara with the 10th pick.


If this is true it would give the Bulls a great opportunity to put one over on the Knicks. Bulls should float the rumor that they are taking Reddish and force the Knicks to give up an asset or just take Cam with #3 leaving us with better options.
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Post#1412 » by Ferulci » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:48 pm

Givony/Schmitz thoughts on RJ Barrett
Givony: Mike, what's your read on Barrett as a prospect? Is he a clear No. 3, and do you think he should be in the mix at No. 2?

Schmitz: While I won't go so far as to say Barrett should be in the conversation for No. 2 overall, anyone who doesn't see him as the third-best prospect is wildly overthinking this.

Barrett is (and has always been) at his best attacking the rim, putting pressure on the defense and using his 6-foot-7, 210-pound frame to get into the paint and finish with strong body control. But because of Duke's inability to surround him with shooting -- 327th in the NCAA in 3-point percentage, according to Kenpom.com data -- he looked clunky trying to bully-ball his way to the cup.

Just look at this: (Image of Barrett barreling into 5 NC defenders in the paint)

Barrett could have done a much better job of making the simple kick-out pass and finding a smoother balance between scoring and playmaking, but for a physical, downhill driver, this spacing is far from ideal. North Carolina was able to commit all five defenders in the paint, with Coby White helping off the strongside corner -- something Barrett will rarely see in the NBA -- to take the charge.

Here's a glimpse of the lack of shooters Barrett had to choose from: (Image of spaced floor with - Tre Jones 26%, Cam Reddish 33%, Zion Williamson 33%)

Even with Zion Williamson at the 5, Barrett still had no room to operate. Tre Jones is close to a non-shooter at this stage, Jordan Goldwire is most certainly a non-shooter and Reddish is as streaky as they come. Barrett didn't display trust in his teammates consistently, and spacing like this is a big reason why he led the NCAA in charges, turned the ball over at a 19.5 percent rate in pick-and-roll and ranked in the 44th percentile as a finisher in the half-court. Barrett could have made a better play than barreling in for a charge here, but it's clear he wasn't put in the best position to play to his strengths at Duke.

What does Barrett look like when he has a spaced floor? Opportunities were sparse, but here's an example of the much more traditional spacing Barrett figures to see in the NBA.

He's likely to have an NBA-caliber rim-protector patrolling the paint rather than Gonzaga's Zach Norvell, but the lane should have more room.

Even against an pro-level athlete in Rui Hachimura (though not a great defender), Barrett is able to get downhill to his left and use his impressive stride length to step around the Gonzaga forward, getting to the front of the rim for the and-1.

There's no question Barrett has to improve as a perimeter shooter to maximize his potential long term. Becoming a more willing passer will also allow him to unlock his playmaking potential. There are questions on the defensive end of the floor, as well, despite his tools.

But Barrett's so-so efficiency and oftentimes clumsy shot-creation moments were more a product of his circumstances rather than clear-cut flaws. Barrett's greatest strengths -- pushing in transition, attacking the rim with physicality and utilizing long strides -- were hidden by Duke's lack of spacing. The Canadian lefty should quickly show NBA scouts and fans alike why he was considered the No. 1 pick coming into his freshman season with all the makings of a longtime All-Star, so long as he's surrounded by shooters at the next level.

JG, what's your take?

Givony: I'm a little surprised by how quickly everyone seems to have settled on the fact that Barrett is clearly an inferior prospect to Morant -- a statement you widely hear among NBA folks. It's not something I actually agree with, personally. If I were making the pick for Memphis, I would be all over Barrett at No. 2, not just because of his positional fit on the roster alongside Mike Conley (although that helps), but also because of Barrett's overall talent level and modern NBA qualities.

These NBA playoff games have been eye-opening. The league's best teams have a big guard/wing in Barrett's mold who is asked to carry a huge amount of playmaking responsibility, both in the half-court and in the open floor. Having more size on the floor gives you clear advantages defensively with the amount of switching every team does. It also leads to numerous cross-matching situations in which the opposing team is forced to decide between giving up a good look early in the clock -- death in today's NBA game -- or having the wrong defender matched up with a team's best player, which is often just as bad.

Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics.

He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.

Mike, like you pointed out, this Duke team was poorly constructed, which made it much easier for opposing defenses to pack the paint and force Barrett to navigate tight spaces while not possessing elite shooting ability himself. He's going to look much better with the ball in his hands surrounded by NBA shooters, especially as his feel for how to play to his strengths evolves into his 20s.


If we get a chance to trade up for him, I wouldn't hesitate.
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Post#1413 » by Jcool0 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:50 pm

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rtblues wrote:The best lowest ranked player and probably the sleeper pick of this draft is Brandon Clarke. 6-8, 210, PF/C - Gonzaga
Troll me now, see you at the end of next season. There are a few certain key stats I consider and he knocks it out of the park looking at those.

Time will tell, just going on record now. Love this guy!


I've been mentioning him as well. To me, it's pretty clear that he's going to end up being a bigger impact player than anyone we'll draft. I don't care if we have two young bigs already, there's enough minutes for the three of them. That said, Minnesota seems like a great landing spot for him.


Risky to take him anywhere near the top 15:

Although Clarke has been hyped by some as a possible late-lottery selection, it should be of extreme note that essentially every NBA scout I’ve spoken with about Clarke this season is moderately to highly concerned. For what it’s worth, I personally share that trepidation, dating back to watching him play in person against North Carolina in Chapel Hill in December. As I understand it, Clarke’s wildly impressive statistical profile has made a good case for him from an analytically-minded perspective, but those numbers aren’t necessarily going to dictate whether or not a team decides to pick him, particularly with an early selection. While it’s not out of the question Clarke gets picked somewhere between 10 and 15, and he’s been scheduling workouts for teams in that range, there’s some serious risk built in if that were to happen. I’m not making those picks, but personally, I wouldn’t consider him until the 20s.

At the combine, Clarke measured at 6’8.25” in shoes with an equal 6’8.25” wingspan and a 8’6” standing reach. Length-wise, Clarke had the shortest hands (8.25 inches) of any big at the combine. Width-wise (9.5 inches) he was about average. I don’t put too much stock into the athletic testing overall, but he did predictably post a 34” standing vertical and 40.5” max vert. The thing is that none of this is especially surprising: if you watched him closely all season, you knew that he was essentially a big in the body of a wing, who was dominating by dint of elite vertical explosiveness and innate ability to alter shots and cover ground. We’ve seen him do it so often that it’s nearly impossible to throw out the highlight-caliber plays from our minds. Yet when projecting Clarke at the NBA level, that might be the only way to rationally think about his body of work. I’m not concerned about Clarke defensively—he’s proven he can make impact plays and offer some versatility—but the big issue here is what role he plays on offense.

Clarke’s size limitations might inhibit him in one meaningful way: his ability to play in traffic. A huge part of why he was so efficient this season is that he thrives off of tip-ins and offensive rebounds—in nearly every game he played in, he was the oldest (he’ll turn 23 years old in September) and most athletic player. Gonzaga, of course, plays a majority of its games in the West Coast Conference, which isn’t exactly a strong conference. If you focus on the games they played in which he faced taller opposition—the North Carolina game I saw was a good example—teams that were able to throw fresh bodies at him had some success. Clarke had a damn good season, and there were games where he dominated good competition, as well. But there’s enough to wonder about how much of the easy stuff keeps coming easily to him, particularly as someone who’s almost exclusively a right-hand finisher.

The biggest concern for me is role functionality: he’ll run the floor and finish plays, but he’s probably not big or skilled enough to be a pick-and-roll threat, and you’re not going to throw him the ball on the block. Right now, he can pretty much only create shots for himself consistently off one or two dribbles while facing up, and he’s almost always trying to spin back to his right hand or shoot over someone. And I don’t think it’s safe to assume he’ll transform himself into an NBA-caliber shooter simply because he’s made some small improvements in that area: if you’ve watched Clarke shoot solo, there’s just not a lot of reason to think his jumper is going to translate. He’s reworked it, but there are a lot of moving parts, and his best hope is probably being able to hit enough corner threes to expand the threat he presents on offense to where he can essentially be a stretch four. Clarke shot 69% from the foul line, and only attempted 15 threes all season. Most NBA teams aren’t optimistic in that department, as best I can tell. It’s more likely that with his limitations, he’s mostly playing a “dunker” role on the baseline, one that suits his talents, but also inhibits some of the things you can run with him on the floor if he’s a non-shooter.

Don’t be shocked if Clarke slips a bit on draft night, and without continued skill progress early in his career, this situation could be a risky investment. If it takes a lottery pick to take a chance on him, I’ll pass. I’m just not sure how confidently we can make assumptions with him.

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Post#1414 » by sco » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:52 pm

I wonder if there's a 3 way with ATL/NY? If Barret is gonna play the 3 next to Tre/Huerter, then maybe we can snag Prince.

NY Out: 3 In: 7/10

ATL: In 3/Dunn Out: 8/10/Prince

Chicago In: 8/Prince Out: 7/Dunn
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Post#1415 » by BR0D1E86 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:03 pm

Ferulci wrote:Givony/Schmitz thoughts on RJ Barrett
Givony: Mike, what's your read on Barrett as a prospect? Is he a clear No. 3, and do you think he should be in the mix at No. 2?

Schmitz: While I won't go so far as to say Barrett should be in the conversation for No. 2 overall, anyone who doesn't see him as the third-best prospect is wildly overthinking this.

Barrett is (and has always been) at his best attacking the rim, putting pressure on the defense and using his 6-foot-7, 210-pound frame to get into the paint and finish with strong body control. But because of Duke's inability to surround him with shooting -- 327th in the NCAA in 3-point percentage, according to Kenpom.com data -- he looked clunky trying to bully-ball his way to the cup.

Just look at this: (Image of Barrett barreling into 5 NC defenders in the paint)

Barrett could have done a much better job of making the simple kick-out pass and finding a smoother balance between scoring and playmaking, but for a physical, downhill driver, this spacing is far from ideal. North Carolina was able to commit all five defenders in the paint, with Coby White helping off the strongside corner -- something Barrett will rarely see in the NBA -- to take the charge.

Here's a glimpse of the lack of shooters Barrett had to choose from: (Image of spaced floor with - Tre Jones 26%, Cam Reddish 33%, Zion Williamson 33%)

Even with Zion Williamson at the 5, Barrett still had no room to operate. Tre Jones is close to a non-shooter at this stage, Jordan Goldwire is most certainly a non-shooter and Reddish is as streaky as they come. Barrett didn't display trust in his teammates consistently, and spacing like this is a big reason why he led the NCAA in charges, turned the ball over at a 19.5 percent rate in pick-and-roll and ranked in the 44th percentile as a finisher in the half-court. Barrett could have made a better play than barreling in for a charge here, but it's clear he wasn't put in the best position to play to his strengths at Duke.

What does Barrett look like when he has a spaced floor? Opportunities were sparse, but here's an example of the much more traditional spacing Barrett figures to see in the NBA.

He's likely to have an NBA-caliber rim-protector patrolling the paint rather than Gonzaga's Zach Norvell, but the lane should have more room.

Even against an pro-level athlete in Rui Hachimura (though not a great defender), Barrett is able to get downhill to his left and use his impressive stride length to step around the Gonzaga forward, getting to the front of the rim for the and-1.

There's no question Barrett has to improve as a perimeter shooter to maximize his potential long term. Becoming a more willing passer will also allow him to unlock his playmaking potential. There are questions on the defensive end of the floor, as well, despite his tools.

But Barrett's so-so efficiency and oftentimes clumsy shot-creation moments were more a product of his circumstances rather than clear-cut flaws. Barrett's greatest strengths -- pushing in transition, attacking the rim with physicality and utilizing long strides -- were hidden by Duke's lack of spacing. The Canadian lefty should quickly show NBA scouts and fans alike why he was considered the No. 1 pick coming into his freshman season with all the makings of a longtime All-Star, so long as he's surrounded by shooters at the next level.

JG, what's your take?

Givony: I'm a little surprised by how quickly everyone seems to have settled on the fact that Barrett is clearly an inferior prospect to Morant -- a statement you widely hear among NBA folks. It's not something I actually agree with, personally. If I were making the pick for Memphis, I would be all over Barrett at No. 2, not just because of his positional fit on the roster alongside Mike Conley (although that helps), but also because of Barrett's overall talent level and modern NBA qualities.

These NBA playoff games have been eye-opening. The league's best teams have a big guard/wing in Barrett's mold who is asked to carry a huge amount of playmaking responsibility, both in the half-court and in the open floor. Having more size on the floor gives you clear advantages defensively with the amount of switching every team does. It also leads to numerous cross-matching situations in which the opposing team is forced to decide between giving up a good look early in the clock -- death in today's NBA game -- or having the wrong defender matched up with a team's best player, which is often just as bad.

Barrett is ideally suited for that big wing role with his ability to bust out in transition and make reads out of pick-and-rolls, as he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. According to P3 sports science data from last year, Barrett tested very well relative to NBA athletes in acceleration and posted elite deceleration metrics.

He's a freight train once he gets downhill. He brings elite body control, and he's as aggressive as they come seeking out contact in the paint. He's going to continue to improve his pull-up jumper as his career moves along due to his outstanding work ethic, as he has already made huge strides in that area over the past few years. Combine that with his court vision, scoring instincts, competitiveness and the fact that he still hasn't turned 19 years old, and you have everything you look for in a modern NBA prospect.

Mike, like you pointed out, this Duke team was poorly constructed, which made it much easier for opposing defenses to pack the paint and force Barrett to navigate tight spaces while not possessing elite shooting ability himself. He's going to look much better with the ball in his hands surrounded by NBA shooters, especially as his feel for how to play to his strengths evolves into his 20s.


If we get a chance to trade up for him, I wouldn't hesitate.

But we won’t. It would probably take an unprotected first next season to make it happen, and possibly Carter Jr or Lauri as they’re our only other trade assets with any positive value at all.
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Post#1416 » by BR0D1E86 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:05 pm

sco wrote:I wonder if there's a 3 way with ATL/NY? If Barret is gonna play the 3 next to Tre/Huerter, then maybe we can snag Prince.

NY Out: 3 In: 7/10

ATL: In 3/Dunn Out: 8/10/Prince

Chicago In: 8/Prince Out: 7/Dunn

It looks to me like the Bulls and Prince are added into this trade for virtually no reason. The Bulls steal value in this trade big time.
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Post#1417 » by sco » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:10 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:
sco wrote:I wonder if there's a 3 way with ATL/NY? If Barret is gonna play the 3 next to Tre/Huerter, then maybe we can snag Prince.

NY Out: 3 In: 7/10

ATL: In 3/Dunn Out: 8/10/Prince

Chicago In: 8/Prince Out: 7/Dunn

It looks to me like the Bulls and Prince are added into this trade for virtually no reason. The Bulls steal value in this trade big time.

Depends on whether Culver's there at 7 and Knicks want him. I'd also let Atl keep Prince and have NY throw in Trier instead.
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Post#1418 » by PlayerUp » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:14 pm

Chicago In
8th Pick
Cash

Chicago Out
7th Pick

This is a more realistic Gar/Pax trade. We move down and pick up some $ in the process.
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Post#1419 » by Ferulci » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:16 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Just wanted to come over here and check the pulse with Cam at #7. Nice to see most recognize the "Redd" flags that keeps popping up around this dude.

Over on our draft board, people are looking through "Redd" colored glasses when it comes to him. Almost like when fully healthy from this minor core injury, he will add 5 inches to his vertical, become more agile, add quickness, etc.

These draft insiders insists our GM loves the guy and will not get past 8 or 10, so I'd have to trust his judgement with the outcome.

As down as I am on Reddish (and I wouldn't take him before 16th) I kind of understand why Hawks are more enamored with him than us :
- You already got at least 1 blue chip in Trae Young. In the best-case scenario, he's a steve nash-like which can be a Top 10 player in the NBA. We don't have that. Lavine will never be a Top 10 player in the league and while Lauri has lots of promises, he also have lots of concerns, and the way it is trending most of us don't see him ever being a n°1 optionon an elite team. So for us, the 7th pick must land us a player which very high-potential and a good floor as well, or we are headed to the treadmill. For you, the 8th and 10th pick must have sky high potential but even if their floor is very low, it's not that bad, Young/Huerter/your coach and organization already are an awesome foundation.
- 2 picks mean you can play with the bank money.
- Reddish fits better with Young/Huerter/Collins than Lauri/Lavine/WCJ.
That being said, I still would'nt take him for Hawks. Sekhou, Rui or Nassir are better picks for you IMO.
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Post#1420 » by heir_jordan22 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:57 pm

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Dan Z wrote:If The Bulls draft Hunter, Culver or Reddish do they slowly bring them along? Next year the Bulls will have LaVine, Porter Jr, Chandler Hutchison and Denzel Valentine at the 2 and 3 positions.


Well they still have no point Guard.
Dunn , arci, lemon Jr, Harrison is not the worst batch.

Imo the draft pick will have to beat out Dunn in training camp.
It's doable, maybe not. Dunn could surprise ppl.
After really bad repeior, now lauri and Zach consistently found success with him on the floor.
Hunter or culver could conceivably be a 1st day starters. Culver probably more adept at the 1 than Hunter.

Hunter could be a Jimmy butler to me. Ppl have said kawhi. Ppl say Hunter is still but I see some fluidity on his finishes that makes him probably a tougher 2 guard than culver.

If culver could develop at the 1 and naturally push Zach 2 the 2g that would be ideal.

Same for Hunter.

Are you talking about Hunter at PG?

Lol.

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