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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#101 » by Mecca » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:31 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#102 » by Smash3 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:34 pm

bishnykfan wrote:
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Cam Reddish is projected to go #8 in the draft on nbadraft.net.

#8 pick gets $33 a year. Max extension for the #8 pick would be $63...not $100+


You're arguing that the extensions are too high and hoffa is arguing that they are too low... I wrote this proposal two weeks ago and only smash brought up an alternative which I looked into and put my counterargument to which got no response. I will not be offended if anyone doesn't like this rule change and wants to vote no, but it is a little frustrating that after two weeks and many announcements stating that we would be voting on this soon, that now on the day it gets put up for a vote, that there are all these complaints.


I must have missed your counterargument, but I came up with the alternative because I thought the salaries would be too low compared to market value for star players. If you guys thought it was unfair to the GM's who drafted well I was cool with that, but even with my alternative $300 is pretty cheap compared to what star players got in FA $400-515.




This was what I found when I looked into your proposal. I don't mind the clause for players that make an All-NBA team but I think just being an all-star and getting that type of max ($300) deal would be prohibitive to our game.



Elton Brand (#1)
Anthony Davis (#1)
Tim Duncan (#1)
Blake Griffin (#1)
Dwight Howard (#1)
Kyrie Irving (#1)
Allen Iverson (#1)
LeBron James (#1)
Kenyon Martin (#1)
Yao Ming (#1)
Derrick Rose (#1)
Ben Simmons (#1)
Karl-Anthony Towns (#1)
John Wall (#1)

Kevin Durant (#2)
Steve Francis (#2)
D'Angelo Russell (#2)

Carmelo Anthony (#3)
Baron Davis (#3)
Joel Embiid (#3)
James Harden (#3)
Al Horford (#3)

Chris Bosh (#4)
Chris Paul (#4)
Kristaps Porzingis (#4)
Russell Westbrook (#4)

Ray Allen (#5)
Vince Carter (#5)
Kevin Love (#5)
Dwayne Wade (#5)

Damian Lillard (#6)
Brandon Roy (#6)
Wally Szczerbiak (#6)

Andre Drummond (#9)
Shawn Marion (#9)
Tracy McGrady (#9)
Dirk Nowitzki (#9)
Amare Stoudemire (#9)

Paul George (#10)
Paul Pierce (#10)

Klay Thompson (#11)

Kobe Bryant (#13)

Peja Stojakovic (#14)

Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15)

Danny Granger (#17)
Roy Hibbert (#17)
Jrue Holiday (#17)

Jamaal Magloire (#19)

Rajon Rondo (#21)

Andrei Kirilenko (#24)

Josh Howard (#29)

Jimmy Butler (#30)

Gilbert Arenas (#31)

Draymond Green (#35)

Nikola Jokic (#41)

Michael Redd (#43)

Marc Gasol (#48)

Manu Ginobili (#57)


58 players since the year 2000 have made an all star team during the first four years of their career (rookie contracts). First off, 30 of those players were top 5 picks, 28 were picked after the top 5, including six second rounders. Making all of these players worth a $300 contract will be a detriment to good scouting and drafting. Secondly, 58 players in the last 20 or so years means about three players a draft would need to get these MAX contracts. It wouldn't be about good cap management at some point, it just would not be able to get done. It is different than IRL where Philly could resign Embiid and Simmons plus afford a Jimmy Butler or OKC could go over the cap to extend Durant, Harden and Westbrook if they chose. BaF could not have that with $300+ extensions and a hard cap. Teams would lose players that they draft and develop and it would devalue draft picks which defeats the purpose of the proposal. Finally, not everyone on this list would deserve a max deal...Wally Szczerbiak? Jamaal Magloire? How do you determine which all stars are worthy?

The idea is that teams can retain their draft picks longer while still paying the player. To offer a max extension to Zion, Indy would have to pay him $567 total more than he would get in just his rookie contract. The reward for paying that extra amount is that they keep his rights for an additional three years. It can still be a bit of a gamble and would take a lot of cap management in order to get it to work.



First point I agree 100% with all 58 players are not worth a $300 contract and it would be a detriment to good scouting and drafting. There’s a lot of good players who made the all-star team in their first four years but they’re not great players – the players I wanted to be paid marked value. I only went back to the 2010s for my proposal so appreciate you going back to the 00s for perspective I’d drop the all-star rule now.

If we keep the all-NBA rule though at $300 I think it would be the right balance, if a team drafted Durant, Harden and Westbrook they could keep them all at $900 in total, with still almost $150-200 by year 7 in cap room. The team would just have to manage their cap well since they have until the end of the rookie contracts to make cap room for All-NBA trigger.

I don’t think anyone can say these players (players who made all-nba during their rookie contracts) aren’t worth at least $300:

Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Kyrie Irving
Allen Iverson
LeBron
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Embiid
James Harden
Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Westbrook
Vince Carter
Dwade
Dame Lillard
Brandon Roy
Tracy Mcgrady
Dirk
Amare
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Kobe
Giannis
Draymond
Jokic

What I suggested with only All-NBA players:

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I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:

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Let's say Magic gives Bags a three-year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-NBA team during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-NBA team or makes the all-NBA team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

What happens when player hits FA because teams can’t afford him, is he locked in at $300?:

His salary wouldn't be locked in at a minimum of $300, however a young player who made the all-NBA during his first four years in the league is bound to get $250+ on the open market. KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis and Porzinigis all make $400+.

Teams who draft well/get lucky still get to keep all-NBA talent for at least five years super cheap, and they have an entire year to clear salary cap to pay him his raise.

So salary jump happens after the rookie contract ends or the year they make all-nba?:

Salary jump would not take place until after the rookie contract ends, and not the year they make All-NBA
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#103 » by Context » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:36 pm

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I guess instead of evaluating how a player's NBA performance get reflected in sim and in relation how your team performs before investing in further you can blindly trust sim

I say compromise and make it two years instead of one Bish...just my thoughts



As it's written in the proposal, you can extend players after 1, 2 or 3 years. You can wait until the second year and still extend the player for an additional two years.

I think - its that if im a GM I would like to have the ability to after year two (having a more reasonable time to evaluate my investment) be able to extend an additional 3 years...thats my feeling and I think El Poo's feeling because at least he gets to see how said player performs in the sim..
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#104 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:40 pm

Context wrote:
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bishnykfan wrote:
Cam Reddish is projected to go #8 in the draft on nbadraft.net.

#8 pick gets $33 a year. Max extension for the #8 pick would be $63...not $100+


You're arguing that the extensions are too high and hoffa is arguing that they are too low... I wrote this proposal two weeks ago and only smash brought up an alternative which I looked into and put my counterargument to which got no response. I will not be offended if anyone doesn't like this rule change and wants to vote no, but it is a little frustrating that after two weeks and many announcements stating that we would be voting on this soon, that now on the day it gets put up for a vote, that there are all these complaints.


I must have missed your counterargument, but I came up with the alternative because I thought the salaries would be too low compared to market value for star players. If you guys thought it was unfair to the GM's who drafted well I was cool with that, but even with my alternative $300 is pretty cheap compared to what star players got in FA $400-515.


and just for a footnote to the argument- the bold is a problem...no salary should be that high for one player - IMO it shouldnt eclipse 30% of the cap(i think gms learned their lesson on this one)...not to give you more **** to think about Bish but maybe a one time 20% increase of the cap is something you should explore to balance out some of these $500 contracts...at a later date ofcourse when you only have 30 things on your plate
you have my mod vote brother...

Absolutely not to the one time increase in cap, teams were foolish to hand those contracts out and have to live with the consequences

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#105 » by Capn'O » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:55 pm

My main question is when we would have to decide?

I'd prefer after the draft so I know what kind of $$$ I have and what my FA needs are. On the fence about a yr 1. Def year 2 when I have a TON of cap clearing.
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#106 » by Context » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:57 pm

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I must have missed your counterargument, but I came up with the alternative because I thought the salaries would be too low compared to market value for star players. If you guys thought it was unfair to the GM's who drafted well I was cool with that, but even with my alternative $300 is pretty cheap compared to what star players got in FA $400-515.


and just for a footnote to the argument- the bold is a problem...no salary should be that high for one player - IMO it shouldnt eclipse 30% of the cap(i think gms learned their lesson on this one)...not to give you more **** to think about Bish but maybe a one time 20% increase of the cap is something you should explore to balance out some of these $500 contracts...at a later date ofcourse when you only have 30 things on your plate
you have my mod vote brother...

Absolutely not to the one time increase in cap, teams were foolish to hand those contracts out and have to live with the consequences

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i would agree with you if it were the GM who gave out those contracts that had to live with those consequences but ITS NOT SO Hof...
we all have to live with the consequences...Those contracts prevent other gm's that never made those deals from acquiring said player that they love- I could go on and on with many more examples...a simple one time increase could help even the league out- better for the league as a whole...
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#107 » by Context » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:02 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#108 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:03 pm

Context wrote:
bringbackhoffa wrote:
Context wrote:
and just for a footnote to the argument- the bold is a problem...no salary should be that high for one player - IMO it shouldnt eclipse 30% of the cap(i think gms learned their lesson on this one)...not to give you more **** to think about Bish but maybe a one time 20% increase of the cap is something you should explore to balance out some of these $500 contracts...at a later date ofcourse when you only have 30 things on your plate
you have my mod vote brother...

Absolutely not to the one time increase in cap, teams were foolish to hand those contracts out and have to live with the consequences

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i would agree with you if it were the GM who gave out those contracts that had to live with those consequences but ITS NOT SO Hof...
we all have to live with the consequences...Those contracts prevent other gm's that never made those deals from acquiring said player that they love- I could go on and on with many more examples...a simple one time increase could help even the league out- better for the league as a whole...
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#109 » by Context » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:08 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:
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bringbackhoffa wrote:Absolutely not to the one time increase in cap, teams were foolish to hand those contracts out and have to live with the consequences

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i would agree with you if it were the GM who gave out those contracts that had to live with those consequences but ITS NOT SO Hof...
we all have to live with the consequences...Those contracts prevent other gm's that never made those deals from acquiring said player that they love- I could go on and on with many more examples...a simple one time increase could help even the league out- better for the league as a whole...
Then u should haven't joined u knew the rules coming in

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#110 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:11 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#111 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:29 pm

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its going to be battle for sure. Best of 3 now


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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#113 » by bishnykfan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:32 pm

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I must have missed your counterargument, but I came up with the alternative because I thought the salaries would be too low compared to market value for star players. If you guys thought it was unfair to the GM's who drafted well I was cool with that, but even with my alternative $300 is pretty cheap compared to what star players got in FA $400-515.




This was what I found when I looked into your proposal. I don't mind the clause for players that make an All-NBA team but I think just being an all-star and getting that type of max ($300) deal would be prohibitive to our game.



Elton Brand (#1)
Anthony Davis (#1)
Tim Duncan (#1)
Blake Griffin (#1)
Dwight Howard (#1)
Kyrie Irving (#1)
Allen Iverson (#1)
LeBron James (#1)
Kenyon Martin (#1)
Yao Ming (#1)
Derrick Rose (#1)
Ben Simmons (#1)
Karl-Anthony Towns (#1)
John Wall (#1)

Kevin Durant (#2)
Steve Francis (#2)
D'Angelo Russell (#2)

Carmelo Anthony (#3)
Baron Davis (#3)
Joel Embiid (#3)
James Harden (#3)
Al Horford (#3)

Chris Bosh (#4)
Chris Paul (#4)
Kristaps Porzingis (#4)
Russell Westbrook (#4)

Ray Allen (#5)
Vince Carter (#5)
Kevin Love (#5)
Dwayne Wade (#5)

Damian Lillard (#6)
Brandon Roy (#6)
Wally Szczerbiak (#6)

Andre Drummond (#9)
Shawn Marion (#9)
Tracy McGrady (#9)
Dirk Nowitzki (#9)
Amare Stoudemire (#9)

Paul George (#10)
Paul Pierce (#10)

Klay Thompson (#11)

Kobe Bryant (#13)

Peja Stojakovic (#14)

Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15)

Danny Granger (#17)
Roy Hibbert (#17)
Jrue Holiday (#17)

Jamaal Magloire (#19)

Rajon Rondo (#21)

Andrei Kirilenko (#24)

Josh Howard (#29)

Jimmy Butler (#30)

Gilbert Arenas (#31)

Draymond Green (#35)

Nikola Jokic (#41)

Michael Redd (#43)

Marc Gasol (#48)

Manu Ginobili (#57)


58 players since the year 2000 have made an all star team during the first four years of their career (rookie contracts). First off, 30 of those players were top 5 picks, 28 were picked after the top 5, including six second rounders. Making all of these players worth a $300 contract will be a detriment to good scouting and drafting. Secondly, 58 players in the last 20 or so years means about three players a draft would need to get these MAX contracts. It wouldn't be about good cap management at some point, it just would not be able to get done. It is different than IRL where Philly could resign Embiid and Simmons plus afford a Jimmy Butler or OKC could go over the cap to extend Durant, Harden and Westbrook if they chose. BaF could not have that with $300+ extensions and a hard cap. Teams would lose players that they draft and develop and it would devalue draft picks which defeats the purpose of the proposal. Finally, not everyone on this list would deserve a max deal...Wally Szczerbiak? Jamaal Magloire? How do you determine which all stars are worthy?

The idea is that teams can retain their draft picks longer while still paying the player. To offer a max extension to Zion, Indy would have to pay him $567 total more than he would get in just his rookie contract. The reward for paying that extra amount is that they keep his rights for an additional three years. It can still be a bit of a gamble and would take a lot of cap management in order to get it to work.



First point I agree 100% with all 58 players are not worth a $300 contract and it would be a detriment to good scouting and drafting. There’s a lot of good players who made the all-star team in their first four years but they’re not great players – the players I wanted to be paid marked value. I only went back to the 2010s for my proposal so appreciate you going back to the 00s for perspective I’d drop the all-star rule now.

If we keep the all-NBA rule though at $300 I think it would be the right balance, if a team drafted Durant, Harden and Westbrook they could keep them all at $900 in total, with still almost $150-200 by year 7 in cap room. The team would just have to manage their cap well since they have until the end of the rookie contracts to make cap room for All-NBA trigger.

I don’t think anyone can say these players (players who made all-nba during their rookie contracts) aren’t worth at least $300:

Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Kyrie Irving
Allen Iverson
LeBron
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Embiid
James Harden
Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Westbrook
Vince Carter
Dwade
Dame Lillard
Brandon Roy
Tracy Mcgrady
Dirk
Amare
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Kobe
Giannis
Draymond
Jokic

What I suggested with only All-NBA players:

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I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:

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Let's say Magic gives Bags a three-year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-NBA team during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-NBA team or makes the all-NBA team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

What happens when player hits FA because teams can’t afford him, is he locked in at $300?:

His salary wouldn't be locked in at a minimum of $300, however a young player who made the all-NBA during his first four years in the league is bound to get $250+ on the open market. KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis and Porzinigis all make $400+.

Teams who draft well/get lucky still get to keep all-NBA talent for at least five years super cheap, and they have an entire year to clear salary cap to pay him his raise.

So salary jump happens after the rookie contract ends or the year they make all-nba?:

Salary jump would not take place until after the rookie contract ends, and not the year they make All-NBA


I definitely think that this is a better argument than the all-star clause and one that I said from the first time you proposed it that I could be swayed to agreeing with. I appreciate the time you put into it and the fact that you proposed this weeks ago when the extension rule change was being discussed. I also think that K-DOT's proposal from a few pages back makes sense. My suggestion is to vote on the initial rule change as proposed so we can get it done before the draft as having something in place before the draft is important IMO. And then, as we move along with our offseason, I think we can and should revisit additional ideas to enhance this change (yours and K-DOT's proposals in particular).
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#114 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:40 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#115 » by wackbone » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:24 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#116 » by HEZI » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:35 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#117 » by King of Canada » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:11 pm

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Smash3 wrote:
bishnykfan wrote:
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This was what I found when I looked into your proposal. I don't mind the clause for players that make an All-NBA team but I think just being an all-star and getting that type of max ($300) deal would be prohibitive to our game.



First point I agree 100% with all 58 players are not worth a $300 contract and it would be a detriment to good scouting and drafting. There’s a lot of good players who made the all-star team in their first four years but they’re not great players – the players I wanted to be paid marked value. I only went back to the 2010s for my proposal so appreciate you going back to the 00s for perspective I’d drop the all-star rule now.

If we keep the all-NBA rule though at $300 I think it would be the right balance, if a team drafted Durant, Harden and Westbrook they could keep them all at $900 in total, with still almost $150-200 by year 7 in cap room. The team would just have to manage their cap well since they have until the end of the rookie contracts to make cap room for All-NBA trigger.

I don’t think anyone can say these players (players who made all-nba during their rookie contracts) aren’t worth at least $300:

Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Kyrie Irving
Allen Iverson
LeBron
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Embiid
James Harden
Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Westbrook
Vince Carter
Dwade
Dame Lillard
Brandon Roy
Tracy Mcgrady
Dirk
Amare
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Kobe
Giannis
Draymond
Jokic

What I suggested with only All-NBA players:

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I can see how that was unclear, what I am suggesting isn't going away from your extension model, but just adding a clause of automatic salary raise to the extension contracts being signed if they make the all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. The automatic salary raise would take effect during the extension years. Using your example of Bagley:

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Let's say Magic gives Bags a three-year extension, he'll be getting paid $113 the next six years unless he makes the all-NBA team during his rookie contract.

Example 1:

Bags becomes an all-star in his final year of his rookie contract 2022, Magic then have until the next free agency period (2023) to clear enough cap to pay him $300 for the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 season. If Magic are unable to pay his automatic salary raise he becomes a free agent in 2023.

Example 2:

Bags never makes the all-NBA team or makes the all-NBA team in his extension years, he'll still be only getting paid $113 by the Magic.

Second issue: Having players salaries change won't be an issue for 99% of the players, in real life only KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, D'angelo Russell and Porzingis would be eligible to get paid $300 and $350 since they made an all-NBA team during their rookie contracts. This would make sure players who deserve to get paid get paid.

What happens when player hits FA because teams can’t afford him, is he locked in at $300?:

His salary wouldn't be locked in at a minimum of $300, however a young player who made the all-NBA during his first four years in the league is bound to get $250+ on the open market. KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Giannis and Porzinigis all make $400+.

Teams who draft well/get lucky still get to keep all-NBA talent for at least five years super cheap, and they have an entire year to clear salary cap to pay him his raise.

So salary jump happens after the rookie contract ends or the year they make all-nba?:

Salary jump would not take place until after the rookie contract ends, and not the year they make All-NBA


I definitely think that this is a better argument than the all-star clause and one that I said from the first time you proposed it that I could be swayed to agreeing with. I appreciate the time you put into it and the fact that you proposed this weeks ago when the extension rule change was being discussed. I also think that K-DOT's proposal from a few pages back makes sense. My suggestion is to vote on the initial rule change as proposed so we can get it done before the draft as having something in place before the draft is important IMO. And then, as we move along with our offseason, I think we can and should revisit additional ideas to enhance this change (yours and K-DOT's proposals in particular).


I need to read these other proposals closely, but with Smash’s proposal - how about an additional proposal of an Allan Houston rule that can only be used once by a team and only at the time that their rookie contract player jumps up to the all nba salary (allowing them to maintain their player but at the cost of another good player)? This would be a one time option and only available to a player on a similar contract (over $300, etc...) who is/was also a high caliber player. That good player would then be on the open market (maybe only if an all star at some point, etc...). Also this would only ever be available if signing their rookie all nba’er would put them over the cap. The could also get some kind of cap penalty for that season too if that is needed.

Note - this is not with me in mind. :lol:
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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#119 » by Context » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:50 pm

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Re: BaF Season Two: Finals/Offseason thread 

Post#120 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:06 pm

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I'm rebuilding - he's on the block!

This might sound strange, but I'd love to see them offer Elfrid Payton a contract. The guy started his career as an absolute stud defender then lost his way. He's 6'4 with a 6'8 reach, actually shoots about as frequently and as well as Iguodala from 3pt, and can play and guard multiple positions.


31 Elfrid Payton -0.57 DRMP data (6 years mini 100 games player no rookies)


NOP was a good team when Payton played earlier in the season, I don't think these are empty stats, he's a good player.


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