Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[taj2133]

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[Besart19]

Mitch / Vonleh
Durant / Isaac
Leonard / Knox
Barrett / Trier
Rubio / Ntilikina

Why complicate our life?

Smith and one of Dallas first for either Isaac or Bamba

Lol wth did Rubio come from

No one is giving him more than a mid level

[moocow007]

- Playmaking is very inconsistent for rookies on bad teams, especially one who's more of a scoring guard. I agree he needs to improve there, and he will.

- The best guards in the league don't play any defense (Curry, Harden, Westbrook, etc.)

- His shooting/scoring ability show the potential to be elite with those splits as a rookie on a bad team. My argument is that he has a lot more value than Frank as a prospect.

The Knicks already have Dennis Smith Jr for that.

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DSJ shows more playmaking than Sexton, but Sexton has the better jumper. Also while he's not exactly good, he's still a much better defender than Sexton

Yeah I agree. I was trying to be nice lol. I'd rather Smith Jr than Sexton

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[newyorker4ever]

Great? His advanced metrics were terrible. Only Kevin Knox was worse for rookies.

He averaged 17/3/3 on 43/40/84 splits. That's anything but terrible for a rookie.

3.4 assists per36 is terrible. Frank had 5.5 per36 as a rookie

Plus, Sexton's defense is straight up terrible, Cavs were 9 points worse on that end when he was on the court, going from middle of the pack defensively when he was off to worst in the league when he was on, he was in the 3rd percentile of Iso defense and 26th percentile of PnR defense. He put up volume stats on a bad team, 52% true shooting isn't anything to brag about

It's hard to get assists when you don't have guys that you pass the ball to that can make shots. I would have to think that that would be a big part of why his assist numbers were kinda low.

[DOT]

3.4 assists per36 is terrible. Frank had 5.5 per36 as a rookie

Plus, Sexton's defense is straight up terrible, Cavs were 9 points worse on that end when he was on the court, going from middle of the pack defensively when he was off to worst in the league when he was on, he was in the 3rd percentile of Iso defense and 26th percentile of PnR defense. He put up volume stats on a bad team, 52% true shooting isn't anything to brag about

It's hard to get assists when you don't have guys that you pass the ball to that can make shots. I would have to think that that would be a big part of why his assist numbers were kinda low.

5 assists per36 is kinda low

3.4 assists per36 is terrible, no matter who your teammates are

[moocow007]

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Just looked up Culver's shooting during the tournament. Was ugly.

Elite 8 (against Gonzaga): 26.3% fg, 0.0% 3pt.
Final 4 (against Michigan State): 25% fg, 33.3% 3pt.
Championship (against Virginia): 22.7% fg., 0.0% 3pt.

What do all 3 of those other teams have in common? NBA style defenses and athletic guards his size (defending him).

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[newyorker4ever]

3.4 assists per36 is terrible. Frank had 5.5 per36 as a rookie

Plus, Sexton's defense is straight up terrible, Cavs were 9 points worse on that end when he was on the court, going from middle of the pack defensively when he was off to worst in the league when he was on, he was in the 3rd percentile of Iso defense and 26th percentile of PnR defense. He put up volume stats on a bad team, 52% true shooting isn't anything to brag about

It's hard to get assists when you don't have guys that you pass the ball to that can make shots. I would have to think that that would be a big part of why his assist numbers were kinda low.

5 assists per36 is kinda low

3.4 assists per36 is terrible, no matter who your teammates are

So you don't get the point that for any player to get a assist that whoever they pass to has to make the shot? When you're on a very very bad team then i'm sure not many guys were making shots. Not something i really want to get in some debate about because i don't care enough but if he was playing with better players and better shooters or guys around the rim then there's a good chance his assist numbers could go up pretty far.

[moocow007]

At 4 I would take either Hunter or Garland. Would not take Culver. I think he's a solid all around player and all but don't think he'll be able to score enough or create enough offense to be worth taking so high.

Culver does not have an alpha personality, he has shaky handles, doesn't particularly shoot well and lacks explosiveness. That's going to work against him as an offensive impact player in the NBA. IMO the tournament exposed Culver as a guy that doesn't have the package to be a lead option on offense. Culver shot 24% from the field across the final 3 games of the tournament when he faced teams with NBA caliber defenses and opposing guards his size (and better athleticism) guarding him.

At least with Garland you get a superb shot creator, ball handler with a magic bag of ball shakes to create space, with good physical tools and a killer shot. Hunter, unlike Culver, saved his best offense for the biggest game and has all the looks of an elite defender (to go along with 3 point shooting). Hunter would be a perfect compliment piece for a Durant based Knick team.

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[j4remi]

Where are these Cavs rumors originating from?

[DOT]

It's hard to get assists when you don't have guys that you pass the ball to that can make shots. I would have to think that that would be a big part of why his assist numbers were kinda low.

5 assists per36 is kinda low

3.4 assists per36 is terrible, no matter who your teammates are

So you don't get the point that for any player to get a assist that whoever they pass to has to make the shot? When you're on a very very bad team then i'm sure not many guys were making shots. Not something i really want to get in some debate about because i don't care enough but if he was playing with better players and better shooters or guys around the rim then there's a good chance his assist numbers could go up pretty far.

He had 5.6 potential assists a game. Meaning, if every player hit every shot off of a pass from him, he'd be at 5.6 assists a game, which takes how good his teammates are at making shots out of the equation

Frank had 5.4 potential assists a game playing 10 less mpg. So, if you extrapolate Frank's data, he comes up with nearly 3 more potential assists per game than Sexton if he played the same amount of minutes. Frank is not a great passer, and our guys sucked as much as Sexton. Kevin Huerter, who isn't a point guard either and played on an equally terrible Hawks team, had 5.3 potential assists per game, Jamal Crawford had 6.4 potential assists per game in half the minutes of Sexton, and he's old, a ball hog, and on a terrible team

So, if his potential assists are about the same as or worse than these guys, they're not considered even good at playmaking, and they play with equally terrible offensive guys, then the logical conclusion is Sexton sucks as a playmaker, no?

[j4remi]

At 4 I would take either Hunter or Garland. Would not take Culver. I think he's a solid all around player and all but don't think he'll be able to score enough or create enough offense to be worth taking so high. Culver does not have an alpha personality, he has shaky handles and lacks explosiveness. That's going to work against him as an offensive impact player in the NBA. At least with Garland you get a superb shot creator and ball handler with good physical tools and a killer shot. Hunter, unlike Culver, saved his best offensive for the biggest game and has all the looks of an elite defender. Hunter would be a perfect compliment piece for a Durant based Knick team.

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I really wish we could see more of Garland. That's the most intriguing skillset after Zion to me. An elite shooter (including off the dribble) with quality ball handling and passing? Sign me up.

[moocow007]

Where are these Cavs rumors originating from?

Probably Cleveland. Along with the report that the Cavs would take Culver (over Barrett) even if they were picking at no.2 LOL.

Gotta love it.

It's clear that short of Zion Williamson, the one player in this draft that would be absolutely perfect for the Cavs is RJ Barrett.

The Cavs would have to pay through the teeth and knock my socks off to get me to trade the perfect player for them to them. And no. The 5th and 26th picks are hardly, remotely enough.

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[moocow007]

At 4 I would take either Hunter or Garland. Would not take Culver. I think he's a solid all around player and all but don't think he'll be able to score enough or create enough offense to be worth taking so high. Culver does not have an alpha personality, he has shaky handles and lacks explosiveness. That's going to work against him as an offensive impact player in the NBA. At least with Garland you get a superb shot creator and ball handler with good physical tools and a killer shot. Hunter, unlike Culver, saved his best offensive for the biggest game and has all the looks of an elite defender. Hunter would be a perfect compliment piece for a Durant based Knick team.

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I really wish we could see more of Garland. That's the most intriguing skillset after Zion to me. An elite shooter (including off the dribble) with quality ball handling and passing? Sign me up.

Yeah. Too bad Garland got injured but from what he showed I'd definitely consider taking a chance at 4 for him.

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[stuporman]

I have trouble seeing the validity of taking a 3&D player in the lotto, the only way I could justify it is if they are showing in college other skills that can translate at the next level.

How much better is Hunter than Schofield that he's a top 5 pick and the other will probably a 2nd rounder? Yes, measurables are little better, is younger and a better slash line this past season but enough to invest a top5 pick?

Is Hunter better than Mikal Bridges from last year? Yes, both are a solid two way player but does anyone really see either of those elevating their game to the next level like Butler or Kawhi have from their more humble 3&D beginings?

I have defended the importance of an elite 3&D player as being crucial to a title contending team many times but lotto picks are for shooting for stars with the highest ceiling/floor.

[DLTGWH]

Just saw a rumor

5
26
Collin Sexton

For

3
Frank Ntilikina

Source?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/elitesportsny.com/2019/05/31/new-york-knicks-rumors-cavaliers-have-supreme-interest-in-rj-barrett/amp/

Nevermind they discussed a hypothetical with the reporter from the athletic.

This is a horrible hypothetical.

What in the world would the Knicks want with Colin Sexton? Not to mention if Cleveland would be willing to trade him that’s all anyone needs to know...

Not against trading with Cleveland. I actually like the idea of trading with Cleveland. But they can keep Sexton. Just give me a bunch of unprotected FRPs

[Oscirus]

I mean 5 26 and sexton for 3 would sound about right, no idea why we'd include frank in those circumstances if we wanted to do that.

[moocow007]

I have trouble seeing the validity of taking a 3&D player in the lotto, the only way I could justify it is if they are showing in college other skills that can translate at the next level.

How much better is Hunter than Schofield that he's a top 5 pick and the other will probably a 2nd rounder? Yes, measurables are little better, is younger and a better slash line this past season but enough to invest a top5 pick?

Is Hunter better than Mikal Bridges from last year? Yes, both are a solid two way player but does anyone really see either of those elevating their game to the next level like Butler or Kawhi have from their more humble 3&D beginings?

I have defended the importance of an elite 3&D player as being crucial to a title contending team many times but lotto picks are for shooting for stars with the highest ceiling/floor.

Bridges no. Hunter potentially yeah. I do see Hunter as a player that can actually be better in the NBA than in college. Never was a fan of Bridges at all. Big difference in physical talent, natural instincts and alpha mentality. No doubt in my mind that had Hunter been on another team where his role was expanded that he'd have put up much better offensive numbers and shown his ability to be a lead player. Does that mean he'll be a Butler? Nope. But I believe he has better tools to make an impact in the NBA than Culver. Other than Culver's wingspan (which is one of the things that folks can get too carried away with) I just don't see anything about him that screams NBA elite or even NBA above average. Culver is like a "Jack if all (or many) trades, master of none" type college player. Those rarely ever translate to top player in the nba. I just don't see that being worth a early lottery pick.

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[Marty McFly]

At 4 I would take either Hunter or Garland. Would not take Culver. I think he's a solid all around player and all but don't think he'll be able to score enough or create enough offense to be worth taking so high. Culver does not have an alpha personality, he has shaky handles and lacks explosiveness. That's going to work against him as an offensive impact player in the NBA. At least with Garland you get a superb shot creator and ball handler with good physical tools and a killer shot. Hunter, unlike Culver, saved his best offensive for the biggest game and has all the looks of an elite defender. Hunter would be a perfect compliment piece for a Durant based Knick team.

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I really wish we could see more of Garland. That's the most intriguing skillset after Zion to me. An elite shooter (including off the dribble) with quality ball handling and passing? Sign me up.

if RJ wasn’t in this draft, Garland is who I’d want at 3.

[moocow007]

I mean 5 26 and sexton for 3 would sound about right, no idea why we'd include frank in those circumstances if we wanted to do that.

Only if they can flip Sexton to the Bulls for their lottery pick or to NO in a package for AD. Sexton doesn't make sense on this team. The Knicks main get trading the most valuable asset they've had in near 2 decades was Dennis Smith Jr. If they don't land Durant (and go win now) it doesn't make sense to basically make one of these guys a bench player. And I'd rather go with Smith Jr. Not because Smith Jr doesn't have his warts, he does. But so does Sexton and I rather Smith's warts.

FYI ..I would consider the 5th and 7th picks in this draft for RJ Barrett. Not that 8 and 10 crap or the even worse 5 and 26 nonsense. And even then I'd still rather just keep Barrett.

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[Kampuchea]

I mean 5 26 and sexton for 3 would sound about right, no idea why we'd include frank in those circumstances if we wanted to do that.

26 in this draft is garbage. Not sure Sexton is enough to move up from 5 to 3 in this draft with a clear top 3 players. No way Frank is thrown in either.

It's not a terrible deal getting Sexton in but I would rather roll with DSJ who I feel has more upside.