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2019 NBA draft part deux

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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#201 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:35 am

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Klomp wrote:If only we could've seen Clarke play against some average competition this season instead of these scrubs....



Do you actually watch the video? I just saw a lot of impressive highlights from Zion and Hachimura.

First minute: Clarke for his part looks like a nuisance on defense but he basically gets to play center field on against a Duke team that is void of shooters and clogs the paint. He sits in the lane and jumps at Duke players as they drive, some times getting away with a foul and sometime altering a shot. I can't imagine any team in the NBA is going to allow Clarke to play centerfield with his small wingspan, nor could they with the quality of shooters in the NBA. His best play is at 1:11, but here a driving Zion misses an easy dish to Clarke's man.

Next 30 seconds: Clarke committing unforced turnovers trying to make basic plays with the ball in his hands.

End: Clarke missing free throws down the stretch after getting bailed out by the officials.


Iw watched highlights of that game before. But doing it again now:
Clarke cleaned up Barret drives on Hachimura several times. Barret ended up on 9/25 shooting.
1st foul was at 1:05> weak and late call IMO. The others arent there.

Your point is valid tough, Duke didnt have shooters. But Clarke rotations were perfect and he such a quick leaper that anticipates a lot of drives.

Obviously his impact on defense will be diminshed at the next level. Pretty much as Hachimura offense. Clarke could be limited by lenght, rebounding is what is going to be critical for him, but as team defense concepts goes this kid seems to excel at it.

I also see him hitting a open 3, finishing strong at the rim and being a terror on transition. He commited some errors when tried to force offense from the top of the key, that's something that KAT would be doing if he were on the wolves.



Biggest thing I noticed from that video is that rui has no idea where the ball is on the defensive end.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#202 » by GeekFreak » Sun Jun 2, 2019 2:58 am

Biggest thing I noticed from that video is that rui has no idea where the ball is on the defensive end.

That means he has "growth potential"!!
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#203 » by Calinks » Sun Jun 2, 2019 4:24 am

CP1981 wrote:When it comes to the draft it's always a few qualities in players I want my team to avoid

I'm not big on older guys who take a while to finally put it all together. The guy who was bad or slightly below average his first few years of college then has a big breakout year. It's different if the guy was improving each year but the older guy who only had one good year is a big red flag for me


Low motor guys. They dazzle you with big highlights but they dont always play hard. And they tend to have a few games that make you think they will do it on a consistent basis but never do. Low motor guys are super frustrating. The talent is there but the drive and work ethic isn't

Workout warriors/ great combine guys. The workout video and measurements dont match the game film. Guy has incredible leaping ability and length but doesn't play good defense, doesn't rebound, and doesn't use their athletic abilities during actual games.


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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#204 » by Neeva » Sun Jun 2, 2019 4:58 am

Or washington.
Lets list what category each guy falls in?

Reddish in low motor category?
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#205 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:14 am

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packforfreedom wrote:this doesn't even make sense.

If this is about my comment let me help. I think the best basketball players are the ones most likely to have the highest upside. Zion Williamson, Ja Morant, Culver, Hunter, Barrett, Garland and Brandon Clarke are the best basketball players and I think their upside is better than Doumbouya, Kevin Porter Jr, Nassir Little etc....


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Klomp wrote:What good is a player's upside if he doesn't reach it?

Potential means you haven't lived up to your possibilities. It's almost a dirty word.


I'm not really sure how to respond: Potential is an actual thing in professional sports. Players get better, but some have attributes who can be maximized better than others. The Mavs didn't pick Dirk because he was such a great player but because he had the potential to be one. some players get picked when they're already more finished but their skillset doesn't allow them to become really good. Of course there are the Duncans, Abdul-Jabbers or Blake Griffins, but these are the exceptions and usually not there at #11.

A franchise in our position needs to take risks in the draft to take the next step. That's all I say. And to say that "either you are a player or you arn't" is just silly and lazy analysis.

You can have the high potential players like Doumbouya or Little or KPJ. Give me Culver, Hunter, Barrett, Clarke, Morant or Williamson over those guys. I prefer great basketball players over guys who might become great basketball players. If that is lazy so be it.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#206 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:16 am

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Do you actually watch the video? I just saw a lot of impressive highlights from Zion and Hachimura.

First minute: Clarke for his part looks like a nuisance on defense but he basically gets to play center field on against a Duke team that is void of shooters and clogs the paint. He sits in the lane and jumps at Duke players as they drive, some times getting away with a foul and sometime altering a shot. I can't imagine any team in the NBA is going to allow Clarke to play centerfield with his small wingspan, nor could they with the quality of shooters in the NBA. His best play is at 1:11, but here a driving Zion misses an easy dish to Clarke's man.

Next 30 seconds: Clarke committing unforced turnovers trying to make basic plays with the ball in his hands.

End: Clarke missing free throws down the stretch after getting bailed out by the officials.

Boy you are reaching to diminish Clarke. He was flat out dominant. This was a scouting video not a highlight reel. You are going to see the bad plays as well. The FT shooting is the only concern. It has to be better than that and it usually is, but still not good enough.


He is opportunistic. He's not dominant. He's not out there forcing his will on people.

I get that it's Duke and it's supposed to be an example of top tier competition, but you couldn't find a better offense for Clarke to match up against. No shooting and no post up game. I am concerned how effective he is going to be guarding stretch 4's on the NBA perimeter and holding his own against larger 4's that can post him up.

The opportunistic player in this case dominated.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#207 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:19 am

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Klomp wrote:It's all about the potential....so glad we didn't take the guy with no upside

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Nobody thinks NAW has any potential either. Not to say he's Steph but he will be very, very good.

I was furious we didn't take Steph because he was as good a college shooter as I had ever seen. No team he faced could stop him.

He was a great college player. He just wasn't athletic enough to have potential. We needed to swing for the fences with Johnny Flynn.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#208 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:22 am

CP1981 wrote:When it comes to the draft it's always a few qualities in players I want my team to avoid

I'm not big on older guys who take a while to finally put it all together. The guy who was bad or slightly below average his first few years of college then has a big breakout year. It's different if the guy was improving each year but the older guy who only had one good year is a big red flag for me


Low motor guys. They dazzle you with big highlights but they dont always play hard. And they tend to have a few games that make you think they will do it on a consistent basis but never do. Low motor guys are super frustrating. The talent is there but the drive and work ethic isn't

Workout warriors/ great combine guys. The workout video and measurements dont match the game film. Guy has incredible leaping ability and length but doesn't play good defense, doesn't rebound, and doesn't use their athletic abilities during actual games.

Yeah, but they have such great potential. :roll: :lol:
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#209 » by Dewey » Sun Jun 2, 2019 12:42 pm

One of the more steady eddy dudes is NAW ... he has been discussed here before, but as I see it moving forward, he is possibly the lowest risk player with best skill set in that 11th pick range. I would like a good big, but our guard scenario is muddy and lacks a consistent presence. NAW is a legit combo-guard that would be very compatible with most any other perimeter players, therefore, I have officially called for NAW at #11 if available.

Offensively: NAW clearly has great BBIQ with and without the ball, VG shooter, VG scorer, and VG distributor from various places on the floor. Defensively: Also very aware and well positioned as he again shows a good BBIQ. A lot of his general attributes seem comparable to Currys in that he has the skills and IQ, but maybe a little light athletically/strength that could limit his ability to handle the physical play in the NBA. Other aspects of him remind me of Billups. Well-balanced, skilled, good teammate, and good IQ ... quiet but competitive.

KAW is not beastly like Okogie, but clearly more refined and higher BBIQ. As a combo-guard, he would clearly add floor spacing and ball skills to play some PG in stretches.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#210 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 2, 2019 4:47 pm

I don't have Insider, but I think it's pretty telling that NAW is still sitting in the 20s on ESPN/DX's best available list. Staying at 11, I just don't think he'd be the pick. Unless someone falls, I feel pretty confident three weeks out that it would be one of the forwards (Doumbouya, Clarke, Hachimura, Washington).

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#211 » by Killboard » Sun Jun 2, 2019 9:04 pm

jpatrick wrote:I love Mike Schmitz scouting videos. Just watched the top four prospects. Would love to find a way to get Garland. In today’s NBA, he’s what you need/want in a PG.

I dont know if he is going to be as good as I expect, or if trade away major pieces will be a good idea looking back, but a realized version of him could make a juggernaut offensively. Kid is methodical with his feet, dribble and shooting. If he can read lanes (which he seems to for his age) the pair with KAT would be unstoppable.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#212 » by Nick K » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:21 pm

Klomp wrote:I don't have Insider, but I think it's pretty telling that NAW is still sitting in the 20s on ESPN/DX's best available list. Staying at 11, I just don't think he'd be the pick. Unless someone falls, I feel pretty confident three weeks out that it would be one of the forwards (Doumbouya, Clarke, Hachimura, Washington).

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable


Historically those things are wrong all the time. In 30 years of following these drafts I've learned if you like a guy you take him and don't get cute. When it's all said and done NAW will be a top 7 player or so in this draft IMO. Through the years I've been far more right on Wolves picks than the mocks have or the Wolves for that matter. With the Wolves it's not even close.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#213 » by GeekFreak » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:27 am

Hysterically those things are wrong all the time. In 30 years of following these drafts I've learned if you like a guy you take him and don't get cute. When it's all said and done NAW will be a top 7 player or so in this draft IMO. Through the years I've been far more right on Wolves picks than the mocks have or the Wolves for that matter. With the Wolves it's not even close.

He's listed as a SG, you saying he could be our point guard? We will have a hard enough time finding minutes for Okogie as is.
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Post#214 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:44 am

Clarke will come to Mn and workout for the Wolves on June 12
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#215 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:57 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:Clarke will come to Mn and workout for the Wolves on June 12

Nice. Team Clarke FTW. :o :lol:
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#216 » by Norseman79 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:14 am

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UnFadeable21 wrote:Clarke will come to Mn and workout for the Wolves on June 12

Nice. Team Clarke FTW. :o :lol:


If we brought in a guy like Baldwin, Munford, etc...I would be far more open to Clarke with a trade back. Like I said, I may not see him as a star, but a solid role player who helps a team win seems to be his floor. I would be even happier with Clarke if we grabbed Claxton as well. Now, I am a NAW guy at 11, mostly because I feel like he has a chance to be a solid starting PG or more. If we bring in guys like Baldwin or Munford, I am ok moving to a different position, plus it helps with a trade down scenario. I don't see them as long term answers, but both have the ability and shown flashes to play in this league.

Teague, Baldwin
Wiggins, Okoge
Roco, Clarke, Reynolds
Saric, Claxton, KBD
Towns, Dieng

shooting may be scary on the 2nd unit, not in a good way but Reynolds could help that and I am going to trust KGdaBom in his believe that Clarke would become serviceable at the 3, but that 2nd group could play some D.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#217 » by TwolvesFanRome » Mon Jun 3, 2019 9:06 am

I am all in with NAW... :D
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#218 » by wolfen » Mon Jun 3, 2019 12:56 pm

I'll post this interesting "player comparison" article before the morning commute and see what you guys think:

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/06/02/nba-draft-2019-player-comparisons-projected-first-round-picks/

Keep in mind its FanSided, so it may not hold too much water, but the more you read from multiple sources, the more you become concerned with both zag prospects and the more intrigued you become about PJ Washington - I do anyways...
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#219 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:16 pm

wolfen wrote:I'll post this interesting "player comparison" article before the morning commute and see what you guys think:

https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/06/02/nba-draft-2019-player-comparisons-projected-first-round-picks/

Keep in mind its FanSided, so it may not hold too much water, but the more you read from multiple sources, the more you become concerned with both zag prospects and the more intrigued you become about PJ Washington - I do anyways...

It's an interesting read, but I wouldn't put much stock in it. If NAW can be Delon Wright sign me up.

24. Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech (6-6, 6-10, 204lbs)
Player Comparison: Delon Wright (6-6, 6-8, 195lbs)
The pair of 6-6 combo-guards each put up great numbers in college — 16.2/4.1/4.0/1.9 on .586 percent true shooting for Alexander-Walker and 14.5/4.9/5.1/2.1 on .619 percent true shooting for Wright — before entering the NBA with questions about their size/frame and ability to run an offense full-time. Although Alexander-Walker will step into the NBA as the superior shooter (and inferior decision-maker/passer), he’ll likely be expected to contribute in a similar manner, defending up to three positions on defense and running second units on occasion, while ultimately serving in a secondary/tertiary playmaking role as a complementary piece.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#220 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:20 pm

KGdaBom wrote:It's an interesting read, but I wouldn't put much stock in it. If NAW can be Delon Wright sign me up.



Nothing against Delon Wright, but he is a backup. It's not exactly shooting for the stars.

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