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Post#1521 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:56 am

cjbulls wrote:
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kodo wrote:
That has nothing to do with development paths.
At point X which is the same for two players, both players performed the same.

When each player chooses to enter the draft is irrelevant.

If Reddish stays 1 more year almost certainly his #s skyrocket without RJ and Zion on the team. That shouldn’t make him a better pick next year, he’s still Cam Reddish.


This is such flawed logic. The fact is his numbers were what they were and he isn't going back to school. If he did and actually improved he would be a MUCH better pick, because he would have actually shown something before being drafted. But he hasn't shown anything except that he sucked ass. And why would his numbers skyrocket without RJ and Zion? Maybe his PPG would, but would his efficiency? I would say it likely gets worse without those guys getting all the defensive attention. Reddish was missing wide open looks, he turned the ball over more than he assisted two of the top 5 picks in his draft. He didn't rebound anything that didn't come right to him. He was flat out awful.


I don't understand the flawed logic here. It's fair to compare freshman numbers to another players freshman numbers. Just because the NBA didn't want Iguodala after that year doesn't change the comparison.

Reddish is coming out because he's going to get drafted top 10 and this is the earliest the NBA will let him be drafted. If Iguodala was projected as a top 10 pick after his freshman year, he would have came out as well, and almost certainly would have become the same player.


It's flawed logic because the logic is flawed. Period. Sure you can compare their frosh numbers, but you cannot compare something that doesn't happen to something that does. Iggy came back and improved, therefore, he WAS a better pick because he actually proved something before a team had to bet on him. Cam will not get that opportunity, so he remains a bigger gamble because of the unseen. It's simple.
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Post#1522 » by cjbulls » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:57 am

I think this was posted earlier by someone, but I think the reason Cam gets such disparate views is summed up well by Schmitz.

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Post#1523 » by cjbulls » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:59 am

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cjbulls wrote:What happens once the league year starts for this draft board? Do all the people with strong takes just stay quiet and wait? For example, I am sure there were people saying Trae is a bum. And others predicting MPJ would play this year and be better than WCJ.


Nobody is right all the time. I'll admit I didn't like Trae Young much. I wasn't as down on him as Duck was, but I'll be the first to admit I didn't like him. But, really, you cannot judge a draft until at least a few years later, if not 4. I mean MCW was ROY and everyone though he was going to be a star. Victor Oladipo didn't look like a star after his first couple of seasons. A lot of players are like that.. Look at how long it took Jimmy Butler to blossom into a star player. And he was a #30.


Yeah the waiting is obviously key. I'm about ready to close the book on MPJ but who knows with Trae. I just see people take surprising strong stands for and against certain players, when we know it's a bit random who makes it and who doesn't.
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Post#1524 » by cjbulls » Sun Jun 2, 2019 2:04 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
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johnnyvann840 wrote:
This is such flawed logic. The fact is his numbers were what they were and he isn't going back to school. If he did and actually improved he would be a MUCH better pick, because he would have actually shown something before being drafted. But he hasn't shown anything except that he sucked ass. And why would his numbers skyrocket without RJ and Zion? Maybe his PPG would, but would his efficiency? I would say it likely gets worse without those guys getting all the defensive attention. Reddish was missing wide open looks, he turned the ball over more than he assisted two of the top 5 picks in his draft. He didn't rebound anything that didn't come right to him. He was flat out awful.


I don't understand the flawed logic here. It's fair to compare freshman numbers to another players freshman numbers. Just because the NBA didn't want Iguodala after that year doesn't change the comparison.

Reddish is coming out because he's going to get drafted top 10 and this is the earliest the NBA will let him be drafted. If Iguodala was projected as a top 10 pick after his freshman year, he would have came out as well, and almost certainly would have become the same player.


It's flawed logic because the logic is flawed. Period. Sure you can compare their frosh numbers, but you cannot compare something that doesn't happen to something that does. Iggy came back and improved, therefore, he WAS a better pick because he actually proved something before a team had to bet on him. Cam will not get that opportunity, so he remains a bigger gamble because of the unseen. It's simple.


Then I think you and Kodo may have crossed wires. If I understand him, at least how I read it, was that yes there has been a player who struggled as a freshman but later made it in the NBA. His statement has nothing to do with draft position or when drafted. Just that it happened. And presumably, the fact Iguodala went back isn't what made him an NBA player. Lute Olson didn't have some magic formula, he just got better and that would have happened in the NBA.

You're saying Reddish shouldn't be drafted high because he hasn't proved it yet. And Iguodala was taken top 10, but after he improved his sophomore season. I don't think Kodo is arguing that point directly (although of course he is arguing that indirectly)
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Post#1525 » by johnnyvann840 » Sun Jun 2, 2019 2:29 am

cjbulls wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:What happens once the league year starts for this draft board? Do all the people with strong takes just stay quiet and wait? For example, I am sure there were people saying Trae is a bum. And others predicting MPJ would play this year and be better than WCJ.


Nobody is right all the time. I'll admit I didn't like Trae Young much. I wasn't as down on him as Duck was, but I'll be the first to admit I didn't like him. But, really, you cannot judge a draft until at least a few years later, if not 4. I mean MCW was ROY and everyone though he was going to be a star. Victor Oladipo didn't look like a star after his first couple of seasons. A lot of players are like that.. Look at how long it took Jimmy Butler to blossom into a star player. And he was a #30.


Yeah the waiting is obviously key. I'm about ready to close the book on MPJ but who knows with Trae. I just see people take surprising strong stands for and against certain players, when we know it's a bit random who makes it and who doesn't.


Some of us take strong stands because this is a Bulls forum and we are all Bulls fans and want to see the team do the best thing for the team. Some of us like to debate strongly. I said none of us are always right, I didn't say some of us aren't right most of the time. lol. But, yeah, we are pretty passionate fans of the game around here. We are the diehards of the diehards. I admit I am probably guilty of being hard headed more than just about anybody. For one, I love a good debate as long as it's respectful, which it is here most of the time. Sometimes we get a little chippy... but those of us who've been here a long time really love each other as much as you can on a message board. At least I know I do. If I disagree with you in a strong manner, please don't take it personally. btw, kodo is one of my favorite posters here even if we disagree on a few things. He brings a ton of knowledge to this board and has some of the best takes around.
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Post#1526 » by cjbulls » Sun Jun 2, 2019 2:48 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
Nobody is right all the time. I'll admit I didn't like Trae Young much. I wasn't as down on him as Duck was, but I'll be the first to admit I didn't like him. But, really, you cannot judge a draft until at least a few years later, if not 4. I mean MCW was ROY and everyone though he was going to be a star. Victor Oladipo didn't look like a star after his first couple of seasons. A lot of players are like that.. Look at how long it took Jimmy Butler to blossom into a star player. And he was a #30.


Yeah the waiting is obviously key. I'm about ready to close the book on MPJ but who knows with Trae. I just see people take surprising strong stands for and against certain players, when we know it's a bit random who makes it and who doesn't.


Some of us take strong stands because this is a Bulls forum and we are all Bulls fans and want to see the team do the best thing for the team. Some of us like to debate strongly. I said none of us are always right, I didn't say some of us aren't right most of the time. lol. But, yeah, we are pretty passionate fans of the game around here. We are the diehards of the diehards. I admit I am probably guilty of being hard headed more than just about anybody. For one, I love a good debate as long as it's respectful, which it is here most of the time. Sometimes we get a little chippy... but those of us who've been here a long time really love each other as much as you can on a message board. At least I know I do. If I disagree with you in a strong manner, please don't take it personally. btw, kodo is one of my favorite posters here even if we disagree on a few things. He brings a ton of knowledge to this board and has some of the best takes around.


I guess my only strong take is that, there is no way to have a strong take on most of these prospects. I just don’t get how, to take an example from you, anyone can be so certain Reddish is a bust. At a minimum, the 3 and D potential is there. I think there are plenty of good arguments against taking him at 7, but it feels a step too far to treat him as complete trash (and there are a lot of people on this board who agree with your take for whatever that is worth).

I had one exception: Bol Bol. And that was because there was a litany if issues with him: weight, injuries, work ethic, doesn’t play hard, character concerns, love of the game, defense.
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Post#1527 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Jun 2, 2019 4:25 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:What happens once the league year starts for this draft board? Do all the people with strong takes just stay quiet and wait? For example, I am sure there were people saying Trae is a bum. And others predicting MPJ would play this year and be better than WCJ.


Nobody is right all the time. I'll admit I didn't like Trae Young much. I wasn't as down on him as Duck was, but I'll be the first to admit I didn't like him. But, really, you cannot judge a draft until at least a few years later, if not 4. I mean MCW was ROY and everyone though he was going to be a star. Victor Oladipo didn't look like a star after his first couple of seasons. A lot of players are like that.. Look at how long it took Jimmy Butler to blossom into a star player. And he was a #30.


Yup. Another prime example of this is Tyreke Evans. Won ROY over 2 sure fire HOFs of Curry and Harden, also over guys like DeRozan, Holiday and Rubio who all easily became far superior players. Giannis didn't even make 1st team all rookie when that rookie 1st team was MCW, Hardaway Jr, Plumlee, Burke and Oladipo.
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Post#1528 » by HomoSapien » Sun Jun 2, 2019 6:06 am

Boston's problem this year was that it had too many young players. Are they really interested in adding 3 more first round picks to their roster? Knowing Ainge, he won't make a trade, but if they fall in love with a prospect in the 7 range I would love to trade 7 and 38 for 14, 20, and 22. At that point I'd just swing for the fences and target high potential guys like Doumboya, Goga, Bazley, Bol, etc. and pray to god that one of these guys hits their potential.
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Post#1529 » by Southpaw » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:19 am

HomoSapien wrote:Boston's problem this year was that it had too many young players. Are they really interested in adding 3 more first round picks to their roster? Knowing Ainge, he won't make a trade, but if they fall in love with a prospect in the 7 range I would love to trade 7 and 38 for 14, 20, and 22. At that point I'd just swing for the fences and target high potential guys like Doumboya, Goga, Bazley, Bol, etc. and pray to god that one of these guys hits their potential.

Agree that BOS is a good trade down target. Even more so if they try to trade for AD because the 7th pick might be more attractive to NOP than their collection of picks.
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Post#1530 » by pipfan » Sun Jun 2, 2019 9:10 am

I watched a video on Hunter today-I'm sold. Guy looked great
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Post#1531 » by rtblues » Sun Jun 2, 2019 9:53 am

Calm down folks, the disparity among draft predictions extends well beyond this board, so disagreements are to be expected. In-fact, I was wondering how different the "experts" mock draft boards are, so I checked it out, and, here:

NBA DRAFT.NET
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Garland
White
Culver
Reddish
Little
Hachimura

CBS SPORTS
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Culver
Garland
White
Reddish
Bol
Hayes
Clarke

BLEACHER REPORT
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Reddish
Hunter
White
Culver
Hayes
Doumbouya
Hachimura
Clarke

THE RINGER
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Reddish
Culver
Garland
Hunter
Doumbouya
Goga
Little
Clarke
White

YAHOO SPORTS
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Culver
Garland
White
Reddish
P.J. Washington
Hayes
Hachimura
Bol

ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (May 14)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
6) Phoenix Suns: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White |PG|Fr.|North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
9) Washington Wizards: Sekou Doumbouya | SF | Intl. | Guinea
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas

CBS Sports’ Gary Parrish (May 15)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
6) Phoenix Suns: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White| PG| Fr.| North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Nassir Little | SF | Fr. | North Carolina
9) Washington Wizards: Romeo Langford | SG | Fr. | Indiana
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas

From CBS Sports’ Kyle Boone (May 20)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
6) Phoenix Suns: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White|PG|Fr.|North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
9) Washington Wizards: Bol Bol | C | Fr. | Oregon
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | PF | Fr. | Texas

ESPN’s Jonathan Givony
1) Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
5) De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
6) Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
7) Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
8) Sekou Doumbouya | PF | Intl. | Guinea
9) Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas
10) Coby White | PG | Fr. | North Carolina
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Post#1532 » by NDave79 » Sun Jun 2, 2019 10:33 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
Dresden wrote:the problems with Hachimura are that he's not a great rebounder or defender, and he cannot shoot the 3 at all. He's also a tweener, and he'll have trouble guarding 3's in the nba. So he's really an undersized 4 who can't stretch the floor, and will possibly we a weakness on the glass.

The one strength he has is that he has an excellent mid range game. not enough going for him to want to draft him at 7.


Well, he can shoot the 3. At least when he did shoot it. He shot over .400, although on fairly low volume, but he showed a good stroke.

oh, and I don't think he "can't rebound"... when you play next to Brandon Clarke, there isn't going to be much left there to rebound. lol. jk... but, Rui averaged 8.6 rebs per 40. Really not bad. He definitely needs to improve there. That is the one place where I'll agree about his "feel" lacking a bit.


Also, Gonzaga had the 9th best rebounding rate of 353 D1 teams.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/total-rebounding-percentage?date=2019-04-16

We have seen with Lopez how raw numbers aren't always a great way to determine if a player is contributing to rebounding.

Probably not worth mentioning as the sample is pretty small, but Rui was the 3rd leading rebounder a couple years ago at the Fiba U19 tournament.
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Post#1533 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Jun 2, 2019 12:22 pm

rtblues wrote:Calm down folks, the disparity among draft predictions extends well beyond this board, so disagreements are to be expected. In-fact, I was wondering how different the "experts" mock draft boards are, so I checked it out, and, here:

NBA DRAFT.NET
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Garland
White
Culver
Reddish
Little
Hachimura

CBS SPORTS
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Culver
Garland
White
Reddish
Bol
Hayes
Clarke

BLEACHER REPORT
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Garland
Reddish
Hunter
White
Culver
Hayes
Doumbouya
Hachimura
Clarke

THE RINGER
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Reddish
Culver
Garland
Hunter
Doumbouya
Goga
Little
Clarke
White

YAHOO SPORTS
Zion
Morant
Barrett
Hunter
Culver
Garland
White
Reddish
P.J. Washington
Hayes
Hachimura
Bol

ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (May 14)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
6) Phoenix Suns: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White |PG|Fr.|North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
9) Washington Wizards: Sekou Doumbouya | SF | Intl. | Guinea
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas

CBS Sports’ Gary Parrish (May 15)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
6) Phoenix Suns: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White| PG| Fr.| North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Nassir Little | SF | Fr. | North Carolina
9) Washington Wizards: Romeo Langford | SG | Fr. | Indiana
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas

From CBS Sports’ Kyle Boone (May 20)
1) New Orleans Pelicans: Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Memphis Grizzlies: Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) New York Knicks: RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Los Angeles Lakers: De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
5) Cleveland Cavaliers: Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
6) Phoenix Suns: Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
7) Chicago Bulls: Coby White|PG|Fr.|North Carolina
8) Atlanta Hawks: Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
9) Washington Wizards: Bol Bol | C | Fr. | Oregon
10) Atlanta Hawks (from DAL): Jaxson Hayes | PF | Fr. | Texas

ESPN’s Jonathan Givony
1) Zion Williamson | PF | Fr. | Duke
2) Ja Morant | PG | Soph. | Murray State
3) RJ Barrett | SF | Fr. | Duke
4) Darius Garland | PG | Fr. | Vanderbilt
5) De’Andre Hunter | SF | R-Soph. | Virginia
6) Jarrett Culver | SG | Soph. | Texas Tech
7) Cam Reddish | SF | Fr. | Duke
8) Sekou Doumbouya | PF | Intl. | Guinea
9) Jaxson Hayes | C | Fr. | Texas
10) Coby White | PG | Fr. | North Carolina


Nbadraft.net is always trying to be different. The love affair between the Cavs and Culver is well documented, so there is no way I see them drafting Garland while Culver is sitting there. The only way Culver does not go to the Cavs is if he is drafted early by the Knicks or the Lakers. And, if the Cavs were to draft Garland, I'd expect there be a trade between the Cavs and the Bulls.
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Post#1534 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Jun 2, 2019 12:36 pm

NewEra21 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:
NewEra21 wrote:
Bulls get:
#3
Solomon Hill

Pelicans get:
#7
Zach Lavine
Mitchell Robinson

Knicks get:
Anthony Davis

I know the argument can be made that Bulls can just get cut out, but I guess it depends on how Pelicans wanna go from here. Lavine would form a nice backcourt duo with Holiday and still end up getting the the pick where there is strong chance someone like Hunter is available. Getting rid of Hill's contract for the year also frees up more money for you to spend on some quality free agents.

Holiday
Lavine
Hunter
Williamson
Robinson

That could be a real nice set up for now and into the future for the Pels.

Bulls get fleeced in that deal. New York does back flips and laughs at this trade. Every team in this trade gets better besides the bulls who take 3 steps back.

You just value Zach Lavine more than I do. He would better suited on a team like that. Option 2b or 3. Secondary creator. Still able to space the floor and let Zion go to work.


Are you playing double-agent out here? Why are you concerned with how better the Pelicans would be with a trade like this? We are not in the business of making the Pelicans better. We are not trading Zach, 7 for 3 and freaking Solomon Hill. In fact, I find that really disrespectful to Bulls fans.
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Post#1535 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Jun 2, 2019 12:55 pm

NewEra21 wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
NewEra21 wrote:You just value Zach Lavine more than I do. He would better suited on a team like that. Option 2b or 3. Secondary creator. Still able to space the floor and let Zion go to work.



It would set the rebuild back about 1-2 years.
Sure we get a potential number 1 option cheaper but for rj to perform at Zach current level is 1 to 2 seasons away realistically.

Zach and RJ are both volume scorers. I have no doubts that RJ could be putting up 20 ppg year two if he wanted to. Funny enough that I think they both have to work on the same things, decision making, defense. But I'll take a chance on the kid who is 18 who dominated the toughest conference in basketball for the next 4 years (at 10 mil less a season) over the guy who still hasnt figured it out while being in the league for 5 years.


It's funny how you are trying to change your stance in one thread. You are not proposing LaVine straight up for RJ, which some would probably consider, but you are also giving away number 7. That's an overkill.
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Post#1536 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:06 pm

HomoSapien wrote:Boston's problem this year was that it had too many young players. Are they really interested in adding 3 more first round picks to their roster? Knowing Ainge, he won't make a trade, but if they fall in love with a prospect in the 7 range I would love to trade 7 and 38 for 14, 20, and 22. At that point I'd just swing for the fences and target high potential guys like Doumboya, Goga, Bazley, Bol, etc. and pray to god that one of these guys hits their potential.


Then we would have the same problem. Too many young players. WCJ and Hutch were both 1st rounders last year. There is not nearly enough minutes to develop these players. The core we currently have need vets to help them learn to win.

If I'm trading back for more 1sts I am using one of those firsts for an established player like Conley or Jrue Holiday.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#1537 » by Red Larrivee » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:07 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:When is the last time a player who shot .356 from the field /.333 from deep, had a sub .500 TS%, played like he was at his local Y on a Sunday afternoon for most of the season. At his size and WS averaged 3.7 rebounds and for a guy with RJ Barrett and Zion Williamson on his team had less than 2 assists per game... with 2.7 turnovers (almost 4 per 40) ......when is the last time THAT player wound up being a star in the NBA? I'm not sure that it's ever happened on that level of just bad to being good at the next level. Yeah, I'm going to say he's going to drop in similar fashion to MPJ last draft. Even some of these NBA execs cannot be that stupid, can they?


Let's just say the odds are somewhere in the "I could win the mega millions today" category. Not only is his production so bad that it doesn't indicate hidden star power, but his decision making and intangibles aren't even baseline.

I really can't think of an NBA star whose selling point was forgiveness of all-time abysmal college production, validation of a bag of excuses and the trust that physical tools & high school production are paramount to NBA star value.

Even if Reddish becomes a high level two-way player, we would be extremely lucky.

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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#1538 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:09 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:Boston's problem this year was that it had too many young players. Are they really interested in adding 3 more first round picks to their roster? Knowing Ainge, he won't make a trade, but if they fall in love with a prospect in the 7 range I would love to trade 7 and 38 for 14, 20, and 22. At that point I'd just swing for the fences and target high potential guys like Doumboya, Goga, Bazley, Bol, etc. and pray to god that one of these guys hits their potential.

Agree that BOS is a good trade down target. Even more so if they try to trade for AD because the 7th pick might be more attractive to NOP than their collection of picks.


Only way BOS gets AD is if they have Kyrie or Kemba. Both seem like long shots.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#1539 » by PlayerUp » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:10 pm

HomoSapien wrote:7 and 38 for 14, 20, and 22.


Agreed. This draft appears fairly deep but not in the lottery. If this option was available, I'd take this deal.
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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#1540 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:11 pm

Looks like it will Garland, White, or Hunter at 7. Culver won't last past the Cavs. I don't see the Lakers taking Hunter or White. Suns will take White if Garland is gone.

Hunter it is. Sign Brogdon in FA and we will win a lot of games next year and will make a big jump defensively.

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