Clint Capela is on the block.

WuriderX · Post #1 » by **WuriderX** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 12:01 am

What do guys think would take to get him? are you interested?

jayu70 · Post #2 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 12:09 am

No.
Houston is seeking a lottery pick.

REHawksFan · Post #3 » by **REHawksFan** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:17 am

WuriderX wrote:What do guys think would take to get him? are you interested?

Don't know what it would take to get him but I'm interested for sure. He's young and under team control for 4 more years.

Would take a proven defensive C that is effective at the rim over a potential player in the lottery any day. Would also take a chance that Hawks could develop a jump shot for him. If all it takes is a lottery pick plus players to equal salary I'm down with that.

Post #4 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:19 pm

He interest me and I would gladly give up one of our lottery picks to acquire a proven talent like him.

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Post #5 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:20 pm

He has always interest me and he's only become better. I would explorer future draft picks if Houston just wants to unload salary. If they do want a lottery pick I'm fine with trading one for him.

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saloonyk8 · Post #6 » by **saloonyk8** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:10 pm

I'd trade Baze, Dedmon and#10 for Capela as long as we keep Max slot for the next year.

He could be a nice defensive center in Atlanta next to Collins and that solves one problem. I'd consider throwing in Prince.

However I think Rockets need to use Capela to get rid of Paul contract in which case we're not interested

kg01 · Post #7 » by **kg01** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:16 pm

Capela's overrated.

saloonyk8 · Post #8 » by **saloonyk8** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:23 pm

Gobert is not on the trading block. What other defensive type centers would you pair with Collins given age, contract etc

King Ken · Post #9 » by **King Ken** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:46 pm

Easy pass. We can develop a center. A center is not worth a lottery pick unless they have superstar potential anyway.

King Ken · Post #10 » by **King Ken** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:48 pm

I'll rather Clarke or Little over Clint or any solid center. His skill-set just is too limited.

kg01 · Post #11 » by **kg01** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 7:00 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:Gobert is not on the trading block. What other defensive type centers would you pair with Collins given age, contract etc

No 1 guy's gonna markedly improve our defense.

I'd like to see us make multiple changes rather than target one "savior" to make up for certain player's deficiencies.

jayu70 · Post #12 » by **jayu70** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 8:46 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:I'd trade Baze, Dedmon and#10 for Capela as long as we keep Max slot for the next year.

He could be a nice defensive center in Atlanta next to Collins and that solves one problem. I'd consider throwing in Prince.

However I think Rockets need to use Capela to get rid of Paul contract in which case we're not interested

Dedmon is a FA so he can't be traded.

Post #13 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jun 1, 2019 11:43 pm

Rim protecting defensive Cs aren't as important as they used to be (unless it's somebody like Gobert who's far and away the best defensive C). I'd rather save the $75 million contract he's due and use the lottery pick on someone like Jaxson Hayes.

thecampster · Post #14 » by **thecampster** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:10 pm

REHawksFan wrote:
WuriderX wrote:What do guys think would take to get him? are you interested?

Don't know what it would take to get him but I'm interested for sure. He's young and under team control for 4 more years.

Would take a proven defensive C that is effective at the rim over a potential player in the lottery any day. Would also take a chance that Hawks could develop a jump shot for him. If all it takes is a lottery pick plus players to equal salary I'm down with that.

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It doesn't require a player. Moving Capela and renouncing their F/A's puts Houston under the cap. The Hawks are solidly under the cap. It only takes creative accounting on Houston's part.

thecampster · Post #15 » by **thecampster** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 1:27 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:I'd trade Baze, Dedmon and#10 for Capela as long as we keep Max slot for the next year.

He could be a nice defensive center in Atlanta next to Collins and that solves one problem. I'd consider throwing in Prince.

However I think Rockets need to use Capela to get rid of Paul contract in which case we're not interested

Houston is now the wrong trade partner for Baze. You'd have to take back salary and it would increase their LT penalty. Also as stated, we don't own Dedmon after the season's over. He's a F/A.

Baze trade partners would be for teams with a slightly better player who is redundant to someone young they have, is aging and on a longer contract.

For example: Sacramento has Harrison Barnes who has a player option for this year at $25 million. Both are expiring but Sacramento would like a better 2nd unit fit and would like to drop a little salary to give them flexibility in resigning their young F/A. Baze for Barnes works straight up and Sacramento would probably add a little sweetner. We would use Baze to acquire a "better fit" like a backup point guard or solid vet/draft considerations. Make no mistake though. You are not getting a Capela level player for Baze unless a team is in CAP HELL.

thecampster · Post #16 » by **thecampster** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 2:03 pm

Let me give you a better example. Let's pretend that OKC wanted to retool their roster. OKC desperately needs cap relief (they are more than $20 million over the LT). They have over $95 million tied up in 3 players for 2 to 3 more years. OKC is a potential trade partner (or a 3 way partner) to move something like Baze + 10 (because mid 1st rounders are much cheaper than vets) for Paul George or for Steven Adams straight up.

In no way am I saying Baze = Adams or Baze + 10 = George. But what I am saying is that as an expiring to a team needing cap relief he has huge value. Baze gives them small cap relief now and huge after the season. Adams has 2 years at 25 million/per, George 3 years at 33 mil/per. We have a $40 million in salary we can and should spend. This is how we acquire salary without free agency and help a team who is paying through the nose right now. So they would allow themselves to get bent over in a deal acquiring Baze because the extra 6 million saving from say Adams is actually a 30 million dollar savings year one in luxury tax and nearly 90 million in savings year 2. That's the kind of deal you are looking for to move Baze/Plumlee.

This article can help you see what a mess their salary is right now (and we helped them last year). https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2019/02/10/oklahoma-city-thunder-salary-cap-payroll-luxury-tax-update/

REHawksFan · Post #17 » by **REHawksFan** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 7:57 pm

thecampster wrote:
REHawksFan wrote:
WuriderX wrote:What do guys think would take to get him? are you interested?

Don't know what it would take to get him but I'm interested for sure. He's young and under team control for 4 more years.

Would take a proven defensive C that is effective at the rim over a potential player in the lottery any day. Would also take a chance that Hawks could develop a jump shot for him. If all it takes is a lottery pick plus players to equal salary I'm down with that.
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It doesn't require a player. Moving Capela and renouncing their F/A's puts Houston under the cap. The Hawks are solidly under the cap. It only takes creative accounting on Houston's part.

Yeah but that makes the deal a lot less attractive to me. I dont necessarily want to acquire Capela with cap space. I want to trade Plumlee and a pick for Capela so as to acquire him AND keep the cap space.

jayu70 · Post #18 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 8:22 pm

REHawksFan wrote:
thecampster wrote:
REHawksFan wrote:
Don't know what it would take to get him but I'm interested for sure. He's young and under team control for 4 more years.

Would take a proven defensive C that is effective at the rim over a potential player in the lottery any day. Would also take a chance that Hawks could develop a jump shot for him. If all it takes is a lottery pick plus players to equal salary I'm down with that.
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It doesn't require a player. Moving Capela and renouncing their F/A's puts Houston under the cap. The Hawks are solidly under the cap. It only takes creative accounting on Houston's part.

Yeah but that makes the deal a lot less attractive to me. I dont necessarily want to acquire Capela with cap space. I want to trade Plumlee and a pick for Capela so as to acquire him AND keep the cap space.

You don't dump an expiring Plumlee using a top 10 lottery pick, that's a waste of an asset when Schlenk has said he'sin talent acquisition mode.
Hawks can have $40 mil in capspace this offseason, taking on Capela reduces that to $23 mil to fill out the rest of the roster.
If we need the roster spot, just waive Plumlee.

If the choice is Plumlee and #10 or just take Capela into capspace, I'm taking Capela into Capspace everytime and keep #10. (Unless KD or Kawhinis signing here and we need the space).

REHawksFan · Post #19 » by **REHawksFan** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 9:33 pm

jayu70 wrote:
REHawksFan wrote:
thecampster wrote:I

It doesn't require a player. Moving Capela and renouncing their F/A's puts Houston under the cap. The Hawks are solidly under the cap. It only takes creative accounting on Houston's part.

Yeah but that makes the deal a lot less attractive to me. I dont necessarily want to acquire Capela with cap space. I want to trade Plumlee and a pick for Capela so as to acquire him AND keep the cap space.

You don't dump an expiring Plumlee using a top 10 lottery pick, that's a waste of an asset when Schlenk has said he'sin talent acquisition mode.
Hawks can have $40 mil in capspace this offseason, taking on Capela reduces that to $23 mil to fill out the rest of the roster.
If we need the roster spot, just waive Plumlee.

If the choice is Plumlee and #10 or just take Capela into capspace, I'm taking Capela into Capspace everytime and keep #10. (Unless KD or Kawhinis signing here and we need the space).

I don't follow. If it costs the pick either way, why would you waive Plumlee instead of trading him to keep cap flexibility? Houston isn't trading Capela for just cap space. The pick is included either way.

thecampster · Post #20 » by **thecampster** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 12:08 am

jayu70 wrote:
REHawksFan wrote:
thecampster wrote:I

It doesn't require a player. Moving Capela and renouncing their F/A's puts Houston under the cap. The Hawks are solidly under the cap. It only takes creative accounting on Houston's part.

Yeah but that makes the deal a lot less attractive to me. I dont necessarily want to acquire Capela with cap space. I want to trade Plumlee and a pick for Capela so as to acquire him AND keep the cap space.

You don't dump an expiring Plumlee using a top 10 lottery pick, that's a waste of an asset when Schlenk has said he'sin talent acquisition mode.
Hawks can have $40 mil in capspace this offseason, taking on Capela reduces that to $23 mil to fill out the rest of the roster.
If we need the roster spot, just waive Plumlee.

If the choice is Plumlee and #10 or just take Capela into capspace, I'm taking Capela into Capspace everytime and keep #10. (Unless KD or Kawhinis signing here and we need the space).

This!!!