Hawks interested in Blake Griffin???

jayu70 · Post #1 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:21 pm

This can't be real, right?

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MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:34 pm

First I’ve heard of Blake rumors, wouldn’t pay any attention to that

jayu70 · Post #3 » by **jayu70** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:34 pm

MotownMadness wrote:First I’ve heard of Blake rumors, wouldn’t pay any attention to that

Yeah, doesn't seem right.

Ice Trae · Post #4 » by **Ice Trae** » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:44 pm

Sounds like non sense

thecampster · Post #5 » by **thecampster** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 12:33 am

Detroit has 10 guaranteed contracts + a first rounder. So they have 11 contracts worth $116 million (8 million over the cap). Griffin's contract is $34 million. What this means is they need to add 4 salaries. They have 2 small traded player exceptions available and the mid-level. Basically they have no way to upgrade the roster and Griffin is signed for 3 more years for $34 mil, $36 mil and $39 mil. The Pistons would really like a long 3 in the draft or via trade (Prince esque) and or a replacement young 4. An ideal trade from Detroit's point of view would be something like Prince + 10 for Griffin and or taking back some ATL salary as well to make it worth Atlanta's while (Baze or Plumlee).

So considering Detroit is one of the few teams that could use a backup big, the deal would be like

Detroit receives Taurean Prince, Miles Plumlee and #10 (salary change including picks -$18 million) 12 million under the cap

Atlanta receives Blake Griffin, #15 (or a future protected 1st). (salary change including picks +18 million) (23 million under the cap)

The assumptions here are we we decline the options on our non-guarantees and our 3 free agents. Probably picking up the option on Jaylen Adams though and resigning Vince Carter for another year which would cost us a total of about $4 to $5 million.

I would call this rumor plausible but not hot...probably a flyer at this point.

High 5 · Post #6 » by **High 5** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:21 am

He’s due ~$110 million over the next 3 years and his health is way too unreliable. Schlenk has been preaching patience and discipline. I can’t imagine him suddenly rolling the dice on Griffin.

It’s funny that some Pistons fans think Trae is an option. :lol:

King Ken · Post #7 » by **King Ken** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:28 am

If this is true, please fire Travis Schlenk ASAP. He would lose all of my support. Even if its for one #10. It makes no sense

That said, I haven't heard nothing about this so far. So it sounds like silly offseason rumors

_s_t_u_r_t_ · Post #8 » by **_s_t_u_r_t_** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:31 am

Looking for some evidence that this website I'd never heard of actually deserves some credibility, given some indication that they have "sources" that accurately predicted anything.

So far, nothing.

King Ken · Post #9 » by **King Ken** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:37 am

Just today my best friend who knows as much as nothing like Basketball Rehab said the Hawks were finalizing trading up for #3 from 8 and 10. I know he knows zero other than what he hears from 92.9 the game and me of course.

Just saying, its that time of the year. That said, stuff like this is said every year. There was even a rumor that we were interested in Drummond but it came from no one in the organization or even in the know. Just NBA twitter.

King Ken · Post #10 » by **King Ken** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:38 am

High 5 wrote:He’s due ~$110 million over the next 3 years and his health is way too unreliable. Schlenk has been preaching patience and discipline. I can’t imagine him suddenly rolling the dice on Griffin.

It’s funny that some Pistons fans think Trae is an option.

Not as funny as trading for Griffin

personanongrata · Post #11 » by **personanongrata** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:04 am

King Ken wrote:If this is true, please fire Travis Schlenk ASAP. He would lose all of my support. Even if its for one #10. It makes no sense

That said, I haven't heard nothing about this so far. So it sounds like silly offseason rumors

You're not a Blake Fan I take it?

thecampster · Post #12 » by **thecampster** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:06 am

Well honestly you aren't trading away Collins for anything short of Anthony Davis at this point and you aren't playing Collins next to Griffin. Its a rumor and there's 3 more weeks of this nonsense before the draft.

gurpilo · Post #13 » by **gurpilo** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:21 am

Collins and Griffin are too similar players, make no sense to pair them.

Radioblacktive1 · Post #14 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:30 am

I walk alone inside this pit of danger...

I’m at least intrigued. I have been a Griffin fan for damn near his whole career and I’ve always wanted him on my squad. That said, my brain knows it’s not the best idea...but my heart says give it a shot and figure it out, especially after reading thecampster’s post. If this was a few years ago I would have said go for it without hesitation.

You guys can stone me now. After saying that, I am at peace.

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:47 am

Contract:
2019-20: $34,234,964
2020-21: $36,595,996
2021-22: $38,957,028 {Player Option}

I'd take him if a trade is centered around our expiring contracts and a limited amount of value is sent.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #16 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:57 am

I actually had Blake as a trade target. I know it may seem as if we don't need him now, but Blake isn't over the hill at all. Matter of fact, he doesn't seem to be losing his athleticism either. He's not lob city Blake anymore, but we don't need him to be that anyway. Plus, he's developed enough that he doesn't need to be lob city Blake anymore.

If the mindset is that we won't be in the lottery, or top 10 at least, why not move Baze & Plumlee dead weight, and add # 10 in a trade for Blake? I'm not saying we should make the move just to make a move, but it's not far fetched to say Blake would give us a strong veteran star to help lead a group of young guys that we have. It's a good move to start making Atlanta even more attractive, and who knows, maybe this would be a move to us a threat in the east.

If it doesn't work out, we still have Collins, Trae, Huerter, & the #8 pick and the enough cap flexibility to still be players in FA. Not to mention, the FA classes for the next 2 year are very sub par. By the time a relevant, star player becomes available in FAcy, Blake will be almost ready to expire anyway. Like if we were looking for a move for a star player, this is about as good as it would get beyond internal growth, which is still possible.

Radioblacktive1 · Post #17 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:44 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I actually had Blake as a trade target. I know it may seem as if we don't need him now, but Blake isn't over the hill at all. Matter of fact, he doesn't seem to be losing his athleticism either. He's not lob city Blake anymore, but we don't need him to be that anyway. Plus, he's developed enough that he doesn't need to be lob city Blake anymore.

If the mindset is that we won't be in the lottery, or top 10 at least, why not move Baze & Plumlee dead weight, and add # 10 in a trade for Blake? I'm not saying we should make the move just to make a move, but it's not far fetched to say Blake would give us a strong veteran star to help lead a group of young guys that we have. It's a good move to start making Atlanta even more attractive, and who knows, maybe this would be a move to us a threat in the east.

If it doesn't work out, we still have Collins, Trae, Huerter, & the #8 pick and the enough cap flexibility to still be players in FA. Not to mention, the FA classes for the next 2 year are very sub par. By the time a relevant, star player becomes available in FAcy, Blake will be almost ready to expire anyway. Like if we were looking for a move for a star player, this is about as good as it would get beyond internal growth, which is still possible.

That’s the spirit

thecampster · Post #18 » by **thecampster** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:07 am

Radioblacktive1 wrote:I walk alone inside this pit of danger...

I’m at least intrigued. I have been a Griffin fan for damn near his whole career and I’ve always wanted him on my squad. That said, my brain knows it’s not the best idea...but my heart says give it a shot and figure it out, especially after reading thecampster’s post. If this was a few years ago I would have said go for it without hesitation.

You guys can stone me now. After saying that, I am at peace.

So way way way back on the Squawk when the debate was what to do with Paul Millsap, I made the case that Millsap's money would be better spent on Griffin. Statistically speaking he was better both offensively and defensively. You aren't alone but these decisions are not made in the bubble of player impact. The financial end matters and I think this rumor only has legs because the Hawks are one of the few teams who could easily absorb that contract.

King Ken · Post #19 » by **King Ken** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:15 am

Griffin is one player that makes no sense in our personnel. He didn't fit CP3. He like to dominate the ball. This sounds like nonsense times 1000. On top of that he is injury prone and is almost never healthy towards playoff time

thecampster · Post #20 » by **thecampster** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:18 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I actually had Blake as a trade target. I know it may seem as if we don't need him now, but Blake isn't over the hill at all. Matter of fact, he doesn't seem to be losing his athleticism either. He's not lob city Blake anymore, but we don't need him to be that anyway. Plus, he's developed enough that he doesn't need to be lob city Blake anymore.

If the mindset is that we won't be in the lottery, or top 10 at least, why not move Baze & Plumlee dead weight, and add # 10 in a trade for Blake? I'm not saying we should make the move just to make a move, but it's not far fetched to say Blake would give us a strong veteran star to help lead a group of young guys that we have. It's a good move to start making Atlanta even more attractive, and who knows, maybe this would be a move to us a threat in the east.

If it doesn't work out, we still have Collins, Trae, Huerter, & the #8 pick and the enough cap flexibility to still be players in FA. Not to mention, the FA classes for the next 2 year are very sub par. By the time a relevant, star player becomes available in FAcy, Blake will be almost ready to expire anyway. Like if we were looking for a move for a star player, this is about as good as it would get beyond internal growth, which is still possible.

So basically trading away one of our expirings for Griffin does leave us room to mingle. So the possible move I mentioned above leaves us in the 20 millionish range. So a similar deal for another overpaid player for Baze's expiring could be that other end of the salary puzzle and yes, then you have something. For example, Baze + a second (Because we don't need it) for Hassan Whiteside. On a one year, the Hawks give Miami 7 million in extra cap room. The Hawks then have $15 ish million in room to go get a good backup pg and would have:

Young/Free agent/Adams
Huerter/Bembry/2nd rounder
Prince/(Maybe Carter/#8/2nd rounder
in no particular order or position (Collins, Griffin, Whiteside, Len, Spellman)

And a bit less than $5 mil in cap flexibility. I'm not saying this is what I would do and it makes the 4/5 crowded but you can at least see some wins developing and some better defense. A 2nd go to scorer on the floor in Griffin when you go small (playing Collins at the 5). It's not ludicrous...its not a finals team, but it isn't crazy.