Yanks vs. Angels Game 1

AGGiE · Post #301 » by **AGGiE** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:09 am

Who wants to bet that Torre uses Joba for 2 innings tomorrow?

cmaff051 · Post #302 » by **cmaff051** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:09 am

And also, how many times are we going to smack the ball around the field only for them to turn a damn double play. We hit balls hard all over the field and they are caught while .091 Budde hits a weak flyball that finds a hole. Figgins and Cabrera heat seeing-eye singles.

**** the Angels.

Clincher · Post #303 » by **Clincher** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:10 am

Bad news is Escobar is gonna throw a 7 Innings 1 ER 8 K fest of a game while we have...

We have Mike **** Mussina...Lord Help Me.

AGGiE · Post #304 » by **AGGiE** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:13 am

Escobar is going 2.2 innings... 7 ER and 2 HR... you've heard it here first folks......

cmaff051 · Post #305 » by **cmaff051** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:14 am

Clincher wrote:Bad news is Escobar is gonna throw a 7 Innings 1 ER 8 K fest of a game while we have...

We have Mike **** Mussina...Lord Help Me.

I think we knock around Escobar while Mussina gives up 6 good innings. Just a hunch. Escobar is due to give up some runs.

Clincher · Post #306 » by **Clincher** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:15 am

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think we knock around Escobar while Mussina gives up 6 good innings. Just a hunch. Escobar is due to give up some runs.

I think in 2 starts vs Kelvim, we barely touched him.

cmaff051 · Post #307 » by **cmaff051** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:18 am

Clincher wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think in 2 starts vs Kelvim, we barely touched him.

Escobar is one of the long line of Angel players who owns the Yankees: Escobar, Shields, Garret Anderson, Lackey, Figgins, etc.

I guess it's just wishful thinking to think we are going to score off of him.

cmaff051 · Post #308 » by **cmaff051** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:19 am

http://www.realgm.com/boards/baseball/v ... 5698#75698

DakkaFromNyc · Post #309 » by **DakkaFromNyc** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:42 am

Tough lost... I think the blame has 2 go 2 Viz.. wen Hughes did his best Viz didnt....

Hope we learn sumthin from this game and go out and beat them the next 2 games.. just like we did wit da White Sox.

ITS NOT HOW U START BUT HOW U END IT

mr_sunshine · Post #310 » by **mr_sunshine** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:53 am

Hell of a game tonight.

Pharmcat · Post #311 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:15 pm

Clincher wrote:Bad news is Escobar is gonna throw a 7 Innings 1 ER 8 K fest of a game while we have...

We have Mike **** Mussina...Lord Help Me.

yea tats prolly true

Pharmcat · Post #312 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:16 pm

cats that are hitting around 200 for the LAAs drove in 4 runs last night, wtf :banghead:

34Celtic · Post #313 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:53 pm

Anyone else getting pissed off at this Joba babying thats going on.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #314 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:51 pm

34Celtic wrote:Anyone else getting pissed off at this Joba babying thats going on.

Not at all, actually. Giving Torre unrestricted access to a guy who can fireball like Joba can is like sticking your hand into a hornet's nest - you're just asking for trouble. I want to see him pitch more because he's just so much fun to watch, but we should stick to this plan so we can stretch his arm out through the playoffs. Needless to say, there will be no Joba rules in the post-season.

cmaff051 · Post #315 » by **cmaff051** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:29 pm

34Celtic wrote:Anyone else getting pissed off at this Joba babying thats going on.

No, because if Torre didn't have any restrictions, Joba would be on the DL by the end of the month.

34Celtic · Post #316 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:28 pm

I mean, the brass should loosen up a little. Let him pitch an inning on back to back nights, but not 3 nights in a row...something like that. Its not like this kid was babied in college or anything. At some point kids are going to have to learn how to pitch. What is going to happen if we make the playoffs and play on back to back nights? Joba gets basically sidelined and we get to see Farnsworth come in in the 7th. Cant wait till that happens.

What i'm getting at is he threw 9 pitches on Sunday afternoon in New York. The game ended at like 4:30. You're telling me it would have hurt him 5 years from now if he pitched another inning at 1 AM EST in LA?

Slamm Goodbody · Post #317 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:47 pm

34Celtic wrote:I mean, the brass should loosen up a little. Let him pitch an inning on back to back nights, but not 3 nights in a row...something like that. Its not like this kid was babied in college or anything. At some point kids are going to have to learn how to pitch. What is going to happen if we make the playoffs and play on back to back nights? Joba gets basically sidelined and we get to see Farnsworth come in in the 7th. Cant wait till that happens.

What i'm getting at is he threw 9 pitches on Sunday afternoon in New York. The game ended at like 4:30. You're telling me it would have hurt him 5 years from now if he pitched another inning at 1 AM EST in LA?

No of course it wouldn't hurt him, but it's a slippery slope that I wouldn't trust Torre to make the judgments on. Today it's letting him pitch back to back because he only threw 9 pitches, next time it could be letting him pitch back to back because he only threw 12, and so on. He's also pitched as a starter all season and logged plenty of innings as is, so I wouldn't be leaping to push him any further than we need to prior to the playoffs.

34Celtic · Post #318 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:59 pm

Joba threw 118 innings in a college season that lasted from mid Feb-mid June, not to mention summer league ball that year. The next year he threw over 80 college innings. These kids arent babied in college ball, I just don't get why it starts when they get to the majors. Either leave him in the minors all year or don't give him this one day on one day off crap. I have never heard of a major league team doing that with a reliever. I could understand a starter, limiting pitches. The least they could do is reevaluate it each day.

Post #319 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:13 pm

Joba is only being babied right now because he made the transition to the bullpen. For a guy who had injury concerns when he was drafted, they want to ease him into a completely different role as much as possible.

Cashman even said himself that it is up to him to give Torre less "rules" to follow, and I sense a change will be coming very soon.

Slamm Goodbody · Post #320 » by **Slamm Goodbody** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:44 pm

34Celtic wrote:Joba threw 118 innings in a college season that lasted from mid Feb-mid June, not to mention summer league ball that year. The next year he threw over 80 college innings. These kids arent babied in college ball, I just don't get why it starts when they get to the majors. Either leave him in the minors all year or don't give him this one day on one day off crap. I have never heard of a major league team doing that with a reliever. I could understand a starter, limiting pitches. The least they could do is reevaluate it each day.

Because no team wants to end up with the next Mark Prior. In college, these guys aren't locked up to guaranteed multi-million dollar deals, but major league teams have a responsibility to protect their investments. Joba's slider is probably his most distinguishing pitch, but there have been a litany of articles about kids hurting themselves because they threw too many sliders at a young age. Just look at Hughes - we switched him off of sliders to curveballs to protect his arm.

This year Joba pitched 88 minor league innings, primarily as a starter, which would translate to a full workload for most relievers. Now he's being transitioned to the bullpen and shouldn't be taxed like a normal reliever is considering how late the switch occurred. I hear what you're saying, but I doubt the gloves will come off until mid-September. No reason to overtax his arm knowing what he could bring to our pen in October.