2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

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Who will win the series?

Golden State in 5
28
13%
Golden State in 6
71
32%
Golden State in 7
8
4%
Toronto in 5
37
17%
Toronto in 6
32
15%
Toronto in 7
44
20%
 
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Post#61 » by picc » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:32 am

Kawhi's statline from tonight is going to look great. Just look at that TS%. :roll:
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Post#62 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:33 am

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K. Leonard had a mediocre game at best. I was surprised he only had 5 turnovers because it seemed like 10. He butchered getting the ball out of traps and missed so many open guys sometimes it was hard to watch. The warriors really must have scouted him well because he is clueless at times when it comes to passing out of a double team or hard trap. For a player of his caliber saying he played average is pretty generous. If he doesnt figure out these traps the Raptors are doomed.


34 points on 20 shots and 14 rebounds despite having zero help on his team.


34 points on 8/20 shooting..he had 16fts

Dont make it sound like he was being efficient. he also added 5 TO's.


Getting to the freethrow line 16 times is what superstars do and that's part of being efficient.
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Post#63 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:33 am

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34 points on 20 shots and 14 rebounds despite having zero help on his team.

I was't talking about Kawhi Flopward's offense, just that Green was far and away the best defensive player from both teams tonight.


I guess it's not flopping when Curry is setting himself for a shot runs himself into the defender and than draws a foul? He did it twice tonight, he jumped towards the body of his defender and the opposite direction of the hoop and still drew the foul.


Well clearly it wasn't a flop. You can argue it was an offensive foul...there's a legit complaint, but he didn't flop.
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Post#64 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:33 am

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Kawhi was much better offensively as he had 34 points despite getting double teamed half the game, Draymond just gets single coverage and sometimes not even being guarded at all.


Kawhi's 34/14 were quite non-impactful. Looked better on the boxscore.


Curry only had 1 turnover, I doubt he was double teamed as much as you think.


lol odd logic.
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Post#65 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:33 am

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Impuniti wrote:I was't talking about Kawhi Flopward's offense, just that Green was far and away the best defensive player from both teams tonight.


I guess it's not flopping when Curry is setting himself for a shot runs himself into the defender and than draws a foul? He did it twice tonight, he jumped towards the body of his defender and the opposite direction of the hoop and still drew the foul.


Well clearly it wasn't a flop. You can argue it was an offensive foul...there's a legit complaint, but he didn't flop.


It's as much of a flop as Kawhi ever did.
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Post#66 » by Son Goku 25 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:34 am

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.
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Post#67 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:34 am

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
34 points on 20 shots and 14 rebounds despite having zero help on his team.


34 points on 8/20 shooting..he had 16fts

Dont make it sound like he was being efficient. he also added 5 TO's.


Getting to the freethrow line 16 times is what superstars do and that's part of being efficient.



funny, u weren't saying that last game when Steph dropped 14 at the FT line
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Post#68 » by Ramed Nazored » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:34 am

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toodles23 wrote:Thought I would remind everybody of the hard data in light of the endless whining from tonight's game

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that's raps fans in the finals or game 1 of the preseason

at least they're consistent


Reffing was fine after the first half. Brutal, standstill offense to start the 3rd cost the Raps the game.
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Post#69 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:35 am

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
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I guess it's not flopping when Curry is setting himself for a shot runs himself into the defender and than draws a foul? He did it twice tonight, he jumped towards the body of his defender and the opposite direction of the hoop and still drew the foul.


Well clearly it wasn't a flop. You can argue it was an offensive foul...there's a legit complaint, but he didn't flop.


It's as much of a flop as Kawhi ever did.


What aboutism is not really a good way to have a discussions. I don't think Leonard was flopping. I do think just like curry they both were seeking contact and trying to get to the line.
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Post#70 » by Vlade Divac » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:35 am

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.
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Post#71 » by clyde21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:35 am

Son Goku 25 wrote:LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.


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Post#72 » by Wonderllama » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:35 am

I hope Toronto remembers Game 1 forever, because it's the only Finals win they're going to have
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Post#73 » by HBK_Kliq_33 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
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Kawhi's 34/14 were quite non-impactful. Looked better on the boxscore.


Curry only had 1 turnover, I doubt he was double teamed as much as you think.


lol odd logic.


When he was double teamed and trapped late in the game he threw a pass that was finger tips away from making potential game losing pass to Kawhi Leonard cutting off Livingston. You are saying Curry was getting double teamed like that every play? I didn't see that.
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Post#74 » by killacalijatt » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

Raps r done. They aint coming back from 3-1
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Post#75 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
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Kawhi's 34/14 were quite non-impactful. Looked better on the boxscore.


Curry only had 1 turnover, I doubt he was double teamed as much as you think.


lol odd logic.


Steph is a turnover machine at times...kinda part of his "charm".
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Post#76 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Kawhi was the best player on the floor tonight but had no help from anybody on his team. Draymond was by far the warriors best player tonight. The big story is Klay Thompson's injury and how hurt he is as he was playing great today. I wouldn't count out raptors yet as they been down in every series this year and still came back and won, it's only 1-1 and Klay couldn't even walk post game so I doubt he plays game 3.


The best player on the floor is the one that's getting trapped at half-court literally every possession.


Haha seriously this. It's ridiculous the amount of attention he is drawing.
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Post#77 » by yongaz » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

Effigy wrote:
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toodles23 wrote:Thought I would remind everybody of the hard data in light of the endless whining from tonight's game

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that's raps fans in the finals or game 1 of the preseason

at least they're consistent



Be fair, that’s ALL fan bases.


Actually no I haven't seen such a large number of any fan base that blamed the loss entirely on the first half of the game where:
- They were leading
- But came out of the locker room scoreless for 6 minutes
- Were playing against a team that didn't have two of their top three scorers and one of their energizing big men in the second half, and one of them were literally carrying the team
- Had their superstar finish with 16 FTs (and make all of them)
- Had less fouls and shot more FTs overall.

And SOMEHOW, the ONLY reason the Raptors lost is because their "flow" was broken because of a badly reffed first half (and ironically, I agree many calls did go the Warriors' favour).

Like seriously... I'm not even a Warriors fan and the blame of the loss solely on the first half of the game is just... sad. (And hilarious for the rest of us).
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Post#78 » by fianchetto » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

clyde21 wrote:
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Impuniti wrote:Green was easily better defensively. You must have been watching something else.


Kawhi was much better offensively as he had 34 points despite getting double teamed half the game, Draymond just gets single coverage and sometimes not even being guarded at all.


Kawhi's 34/14 were quite non-impactful. Looked better on the boxscore.


Non-impactful points? :crazy:

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Post#79 » by dr3am » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:36 am

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heyrayray wrote:Warriors still win with all the injuries. Raptors choke job


Klay played like 32 minutes and scored 25? Raps heavily outplayed Warriors when he went out? Maybe watch the game next time lol.

But what was the final score? Portland outplayed the Warriors 3 games & still got swept..

What you just said was irrelevant.
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Post#80 » by sixerswillrule » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:37 am

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
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34 points on 20 shots and 14 rebounds despite having zero help on his team.


34 points on 8/20 shooting..he had 16fts

Dont make it sound like he was being efficient. he also added 5 TO's.


Getting to the freethrow line 16 times is what superstars do and that's part of being efficient.


Sure but each trip to the line is a scoring attempt/uses up a possession.

He had 18 points on 20 shots.

He had 34 points on 28 scoring attempts/possessions.

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