2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[Basileus777]

2. Thompson didn’t leave “early”, he played 32 minutes. 3rd most for the Dubs last night.
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He left early. Curry, Green, and Klay all need to be playing 40+ minutes for the Warriors.

[Kordic27]

Whatever happened to one team playing better than the other? One team winning and the other losing? Why does one team have to choke? Why does one team have to suck?

I think choke is a simplistic way to say it (and tbh I did today) but there's some truth during an 18-0 run that you have the other team psychologically on the ropes. That's part of big runs/comebacks, one team emotionally lets down and gets mentally defeated which increases the total damage point-wise, call it what you want. Against a team like the Warriors it is so mentally defeating when your lead slips away. It's so hard for any team to develop a lead against the W's, then if it is suddenly gone it is so hard to push back in time because the weight of the work hits you. I definitely think panic at some level was involved for such a massive run to occur right out of halftime.

For sure - but even in your explanation, your credit (rightly) goes to the Warriors. That they imposed their gameplan/ will/ talent on the Raptors, and messed the Raptors up. In the other way of expressing it, that the Raptors choked, the onus is on the Raptors.

My main point is that this is the NBA Finals - both teams are very good. In all likelihood, the better team will win, because they're the better team, not because the other team sucks.

[Shady Franchise]

Kawhi is hurt . He doesn’t look nearly as explosive as previous rounds . He has no lift.

Warriors are missing their best player, and last night, their 3rd best had to leave early. No excuses.

I LOVE THIS NARRATIVE!

1. Top 3 Warriors players = Curry, Durant, Green. Then maybe Thompson.

2. Thompson didn’t leave “early”, he played 32 minutes. 3rd most for the Dubs last night.

But keep going my friend.

1. Green being better than Klay is subjective, so I'm not sure why you feel you have to correct someone else's opinion.
2. Klay couldn't finish the game. He left before the game was over, so yes, that's considered leaving early. His minutes played has nothing to do with leaving early or not. He could have played every single minute in that game until he got hurt, and it'd still be considered leaving early because he could not continue playing.

But keep on going on.

[dhsilv2]

Your Cousins takes are consistently loopy. Looney might do 1 thing better than Cousins defensively. And certainly on offense he's just the sort of basic game roleplayer that a top defensive team has no trouble neutralizing. You know exactly what he can and cannot do.

Your love of cousins biases you to insane levels. Cousins is a serious defensive liability all that said I'm loving how much effort the guy is playing with and I'm seriously crossing my fingers he doesn't hurt himself.

Against most teams, Cousins turned out to be a liability record wise and Looney was surprisingly effective (relatively speaking). I thought it would be the same against Toronto, but I shouldn't have been surprised that the size GS needed made him particularly useful. What he lacks with speed and foul calls ended up being less significant than what he brought in size against Toronto specifically.

Yeah, I expected the raptors to go small to exploit him. Oddly they haven't gone that direction yet. We'll see if they game plan him more.

[LipSkinMatter]

Referres changed the outcome of the game. They put all the Raptors in foul trouble making them less aggressive.

They also missed the technical when Curry come on to the court to celebrate plus goal tending by thompson on siakam. Add that it changes the outcome.

Nevertheless, Warriors turned on their A game third quarter raptors couldnt contain.

Somebody lost a bet.

[ShotCreator]

Referres changed the outcome of the game. They put all the Raptors in foul trouble making them less aggressive.

They also missed the technical when Curry come on to the court to celebrate plus goal tending by thompson on siakam. Add that it changes the outcome.

Nevertheless, Warriors turned on their A game third quarter raptors couldnt contain.

Somebody lost a bet.

Or watched the game. Or both.

[Pharmcat]

Raps fans, the officiating in the first half was atrocious and it kept GS in the game. But it's definitely not the reason the Raps lost. The 2nd half was abysmal and the team can look to that 18-0 run if they want to know why they lost. The whistle evened out in the 2nd half, but the Raps blew it with extremely poor shooting in the 3rd Q.

But the first half lead would've been larger had refs not favored gsw. You need big cushion to account for gsw 3rd quarter . The refs took away that cushion

[tradejosehesux]

Raps fans, the officiating in the first half was atrocious and it kept GS in the game. But it's definitely not the reason the Raps lost. The 2nd half was abysmal and the team can look to that 18-0 run if they want to know why they lost. The whistle evened out in the 2nd half, but the Raps blew it with extremely poor shooting in the 3rd Q.

But the first half lead would've been larger had refs not favored gsw. You need big cushion to account for gsw 3rd quarter . The refs took away that cushion

I get that, but the Raps played like dog chit and didn't deserve to win a game like that in the Finals.

[Teen Girl Squad]

Raps fans, the officiating in the first half was atrocious and it kept GS in the game. But it's definitely not the reason the Raps lost. The 2nd half was abysmal and the team can look to that 18-0 run if they want to know why they lost. The whistle evened out in the 2nd half, but the Raps blew it with extremely poor shooting in the 3rd Q.

But the first half lead would've been larger had refs not favored gsw. You need big cushion to account for gsw 3rd quarter . The refs took away that cushion

I get that, but the Raps played like dog chit and didn't deserve to win a game like that in the Finals.

Yup. Its one of the hardest lessons for teams/fans to learn. You will eventually have to win when the whistles are going the other way. Really they should have been thrilled to still be up despite it all. They had more than ample opportunities in the second half, and got the benefit of the whistle the other way (maybe not to the extent of the first half). Your at home, leading at the half, Klay gets hurt, and you are getting the home whistle going forward. There's not much more of a situation for success than that, even if they lead 'should have' been bigger. I remember Game 4 in 2009 in Orlando, where the Magic had a 20-0 FT advantage in the 4th quarter. The Magic didn't even get called for a single PF until about 1 min left in OT. The Lakers still pulled the game out (and some of RealGM still cried rigged for the Lakers for the literal 1 foul in OT lol).

[Son Goku 25]

Raps are used to terrible refs all season, I think they could have still won the game. If they can continue playing good to great defense and figure out their back cuts, they should be fine. They've done a great job on Curry and quite frankly, on Thompson who's making tough shots.

I think the league wants a long series so not surprised at all.

[Lunartic]

The easiest way for the league to alter and shape the outcome of a game is simply get Impactful players in foul trouble early

Anyone thinking the league wanted the Raps to take a 2-0 lead while at the same time assigning Tony Brothers and Scott Foster to the same game is delusional.

Those two are hands down, the most corrupt referees working today. Even Joey Crawford was not as blatant as these two chimps.

It's a disgrace.

[inquisitive]

there was bad officiating both ways. i bet though next year they will review goal tends and reward buckets after the fact like they do on 3pt shot reviews when toes on the line or not.

[NO-KG-AI]

Didn't Curry and Klay account for 0 points in the 4th quarter? You have to capitalize and finish the game off. You allowed a 34 point quarter, you have to respond with more than 24 in the next period.

[Triples333]

Curry said, "The janky defense they were employing on me was flattering. I mean, thank you".

The troll is strong in this one.

[alebaba]

Didn't Curry and Klay account for 0 points in the 4th quarter? You have to capitalize and finish the game off. You allowed a 34 point quarter, you have to respond with more than 24 in the next period.

Both team was like scoreless the last 4 mins, it was terrible. Warriors was pretty much was trying to give them the W but the Raptors couldn't buy a bucket.

[TheGOATWill]

Referres changed the outcome of the game. They put all the Raptors in foul trouble making them less aggressive.

They also missed the technical when Curry come on to the court to celebrate plus goal tending by thompson on siakam. Add that it changes the outcome.

Nevertheless, Warriors turned on their A game third quarter raptors couldnt contain.

Van Vleet steal. The ball is loose. VV and Curry give chase. VV shoves Curry. Curry is called for a foul. Your thoughts?

[Triples333]

Didn't Curry and Klay account for 0 points in the 4th quarter? You have to capitalize and finish the game off. You allowed a 34 point quarter, you have to respond with more than 24 in the next period.

The Raps completely sold out on them in the 4th, especially Curry since he didn't have Klay to provide space. Neither even bothered to take a shot. And Klay went out pretty early with the hammy.

Man the Warriors are so screwed game 3 if he can't go. They might have to start Jerekbo or Cook just to have a semblance of spacing.

[Vlade Divac]

Raptors have only themselves to blame for losing this game. WE COULD NOT HIT WIDE OPEN THREES. They had 19 (NINETEEN!!!!) wide open threes all misses. Have a look from these screen caps. I did not "investigate" GSW but I can comfortably estimate that they had 6 and hit 3 of these for 50%.

[NO-KG-AI]

Didn't Curry and Klay account for 0 points in the 4th quarter? You have to capitalize and finish the game off. You allowed a 34 point quarter, you have to respond with more than 24 in the next period.

Both team was like scoreless the last 4 mins, it was terrible. Warriors was pretty much was trying to give them the W but the Raptors couldn't buy a bucket.

I left for work at the beginning of the 4th, and thought my phone was messing up, because I kept refreshing and the scores wouldn't change.

[jg77]

Curry said, "The janky defense they were employing on me was flattering. I mean, thank you".

The troll is strong in this one.

FVV has been getting away with some serious hand checking.