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Post#1581 » by MeloRoseNoah » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:32 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Player A
18.6 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 5.7 APG, 25.3 PER, 43.2 FG%, 35.9 3ptFG%, 78.1 FT%, .573 TS%

Player B
16.1 PPG, 3.5 RBG, 4.1 APG, 19.2 PER, 42.3 FG%, 35.3 3ptFG%, 80.0 FT%, .556 TS%


Spoiler:
Player A is Cameron Payne in two seasons at Murray St.

Player B is Coby White in one season at UNC

Not saying they are the same player, at all, but I thought it was remarkable how close their shooting numbers are....... almost identical. Same with rebs and assists.



Oh, and they kind of had the same hair for a while until Payne cut his off. lol


If they draft a pg and that guy turns out to be a bust, they need to revamp their pg criteria and scouting department in that position.

I’m going to trust GarPax on this one and hopes that the picked player turns out to be a great player for us.
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Post#1582 » by RastaBull » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:35 pm

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I supposed I’d be on board.

I think Garland is the better project, but whatever.

White can shooter well enough.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit with the Hutchison promise last year. They found a guy they liked early and basically stopped doing their due diligence on some of the other players.

I'm assuming they liked what they saw all year in White and wanted to interview him in person to confirm he was also a high character guy before promising him the pick. Which is surprising because if you listen to White speak, he doesn't seem like the most intelligent guy or a "Garpax type" of player, we'll see.


White fits the Pax profile. I personally would love to have a legit fro on our team.

As for fit and ceiling... lots of questions but White is only 19 and does have a lot of tools, size and quickness and speed going in his favor. If he can learn to pass and at least keep the ball moving he could be a great fit. If we get him I look to get Beverley to coach him on defense. Sam Smith has been saying Brogdon will be back in MIL for sure.


White def has a ceiling just as impressive as most of of the guys after 3. He was an exciting shooter in all the games and highlights I watched through the year. UNC played pretty up tempo with him from what I remember. NBAdraft.net's always spot on player comparison say Gilbert Arenas. I joke ... but honestly the style of play, lights out shooter with wild confidence and the speed to get to his spots is within his ceiling. He could end up being a legit baller annual fringe all-star guy if he's on a team that really accentuates his strongest qualities.

I think most of us want a different type of PG. Defense tenacity and playmaking (and hopefully solid shooting). But that doesn't REALLY exist in the draft in our range. Garland is only interesting because he's such an unknown we've convinced ourselves we can mold his athleticism into that (and maybe we could).

But this could still make sense. Especially with strong rumors of GarPax going for a vet PG like Rubio/Collison. White could be drafted to be an immediate 6th man in their eyes, develop behind Lavine and Rubio (hopefully a better/more immediate version of Malik Monk kinda pick?), and give some time to see if EITHER White or Lavine can develop into primary ball handling guard.

Not optimal plan imo, but I'm not gonna write White off as high impact guy fairly soon.
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Post#1583 » by cjbulls » Sun Jun 2, 2019 11:45 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:Player A
18.6 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 5.7 APG, 25.3 PER, 43.2 FG%, 35.9 3ptFG%, 78.1 FT%, .573 TS%

Player B
16.1 PPG, 3.5 RBG, 4.1 APG, 19.2 PER, 42.3 FG%, 35.3 3ptFG%, 80.0 FT%, .556 TS%


Spoiler:
Player A is Cameron Payne in two seasons at Murray St.

Player B is Coby White in one season at UNC

Not saying they are the same player, at all, but I thought it was remarkable how close their shooting numbers are....... almost identical. Same with rebs and assists.



Oh, and they kind of had the same hair for a while until Payne cut his off. lol


Payne career NBA 3pt - 33.1%
Payne most NBA 3pt attempts in a full NBA season - 111

Coby White on NBA-length 3pt in one college season - 36.25% on 160 attempts

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Post#1584 » by jump » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:05 am

White did score the most points ever in a single season at UNC. That normally might make a fan excited. That’s as high a level of b-ball as there is in the NCAA. So, there’s that.
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Post#1585 » by JimmyJammer » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:30 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Player A
18.6 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 5.7 APG, 25.3 PER, 43.2 FG%, 35.9 3ptFG%, 78.1 FT%, .573 TS%

Player B
16.1 PPG, 3.5 RBG, 4.1 APG, 19.2 PER, 42.3 FG%, 35.3 3ptFG%, 80.0 FT%, .556 TS%


Spoiler:
Player A is Cameron Payne in two seasons at Murray St.

Player B is Coby White in one season at UNC

Not saying they are the same player, at all, but I thought it was remarkable how close their shooting numbers are....... almost identical. Same with rebs and assists.



Oh, and they kind of had the same hair for a while until Payne cut his off. lol


Player A played for freaking Murray State, whereas player B played in in a premier conference and for a premier program that was the number one team in the nation. Player B broke the record for the most points scored by a freshman in the history of UNC. Player B also scored the most points in the history of high school basketball in North Carolina. So, that's like apples and oranges.
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Post#1586 » by 23-7 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:42 am

Cam payne was neither fast tall or strong.
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Post#1587 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:34 am

JimmyJammer wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Player A
18.6 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 5.7 APG, 25.3 PER, 43.2 FG%, 35.9 3ptFG%, 78.1 FT%, .573 TS%

Player B
16.1 PPG, 3.5 RBG, 4.1 APG, 19.2 PER, 42.3 FG%, 35.3 3ptFG%, 80.0 FT%, .556 TS%


Spoiler:
Player A is Cameron Payne in two seasons at Murray St.

Player B is Coby White in one season at UNC

Not saying they are the same player, at all, but I thought it was remarkable how close their shooting numbers are....... almost identical. Same with rebs and assists.



Oh, and they kind of had the same hair for a while until Payne cut his off. lol


Player A played for freaking Murray State, whereas player B played in in a premier conference and for a premier program that was the number one team in the nation. Player B broke the record for the most points scored by a freshman in the history of UNC. Player B also scored the most points in the history of high school basketball in North Carolina. So, that's like apples and oranges.


I said I'm saying they are not the same player AT ALL. Just that their shooting stats and quite a few other things just happened to be almost identical. Coby White might turn out to be a good player. I'm just not crazy about him as the Bulls pick, especially if Hunter is there. But I won't be upset or anything. Now, if we drafted Cam Reddish, I would be pretty upset over it.
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Post#1588 » by R3AL1TY » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:32 am

RastaBull wrote:If the Phoenix trade for Ball is true that'd make things interesting. If LA sticks with 4 and 6, then Garland will def be one of the picks.

So like a rumored chance of Phoenix trading out of draft.
SMALL chance LA can trade 4+6 to Pels. SMALLER chance that Pels want Colby over Garland?? (fit with Holiday?) Maybe also pair Hunter and Zion? (or maybe even reach on Hayes)

Cavs I read have main interest in Culver. Don't seem big players for Garland.

So 1- Zion (Pels) / 2 - Morant (Mem) / 3 - RJ (NY) / 4 - Hunter (Pels) / 5 - Culver (Cle) / 6 - White or Hayes (Pels) ... Bulls - Garland

So I'm saying there's a chance!

(Personally, I'm really liking Hunter. But Garland has a high high ceiling and if we drafted Garland and signed Rubio that'd be a really good situation for Garland to develop his PG skills)

Hmmm...PHX do seem to have the same motives as the Bulls but can 1UP the bulls for either trading for Ball or even drafting White first. But either way, if both LA and PHX do take part in that blockbuster trade, White or Garland should be available indeed.
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Post#1589 » by Dominator83 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:33 am

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JimmyJammer wrote:The Bulls board looks like this at 7:
1. Garland (not crazy about it but won't be there)
2. White
3. Culver (won't be available)
4. Reddish (we don't really need a wing but what the heck?)
5. Hunter
6. Hachimura


Nah.. not buying that the Bulls are interested in Reddick over Hunter or Rui, even. This sounds a lot like the MPJ story last year as I've said. I have a lot of problems with Pax but drafting is not one of them. He has the tape and he is not putting Reddish's high school accolades above his less than mediocre crap, fully shat the bed season at Duke. No way.

Yea MPJ had a great team of salesmen. Not just the whole "my back feels great" stuff, but the pumping out fake news stuff too. Leading into last years draft, we saw reports that Jerry west was looking to package both his picks to move up for MPJ. Then on the day of it was being reported that Philly wanted MPJ and was looking to move up.

Yet in the draft, both teams had a chance to get him for free, and said no thanks.
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Post#1590 » by NewEra21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:08 pm

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It would set the rebuild back about 1-2 years.
Sure we get a potential number 1 option cheaper but for rj to perform at Zach current level is 1 to 2 seasons away realistically.

Zach and RJ are both volume scorers. I have no doubts that RJ could be putting up 20 ppg year two if he wanted to. Funny enough that I think they both have to work on the same things, decision making, defense. But I'll take a chance on the kid who is 18 who dominated the toughest conference in basketball for the next 4 years (at 10 mil less a season) over the guy who still hasnt figured it out while being in the league for 5 years.


It's funny how you are trying to change your stance in one thread. You are not proposing LaVine straight up for RJ, which some would probably consider, but you are also giving away number 7. That's an overkill.


I wasn't trying to change my stance. I understand the proposal I gave. I just don't see Zach as this budding superstar that other Bulls fans want to claim him to be. I don't care how many instagram workout videos he has. #7 and Zach would be the price to pay to move up to be able to acquire a significantly superior prospect compared to what we will get at #7. Also unloads his contract and gives us about 6 mil more this year to and 19 mil the following years to use that money to build around RJ and Markkanen.
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Post#1591 » by GimmeDat » Mon Jun 3, 2019 1:16 pm

Very roughly speaking, I think Terence Davis is Blakeney if he wasn't a ball-stopper and actually had merit on the defensive end of the floor. Both have similar pop athletically despite being undersized and are talented shot-makers.
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Post#1592 » by taj2133 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 2:59 pm

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Post#1593 » by NewEra21 » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:09 pm

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Post#1594 » by sco » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:31 pm

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Post#1595 » by panthermark » Mon Jun 3, 2019 3:46 pm

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Ball?

That they do really impacts us. I want Hunter to fall, and I want us to take a PG via FA.

Of course, what does this say about any promises players have?
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Post#1596 » by boozapalooza » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:03 pm

johnnyvann840 wrote:
JimmyJammer wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Player A
18.6 PPG, 3.7 RBG, 5.7 APG, 25.3 PER, 43.2 FG%, 35.9 3ptFG%, 78.1 FT%, .573 TS%

Player B
16.1 PPG, 3.5 RBG, 4.1 APG, 19.2 PER, 42.3 FG%, 35.3 3ptFG%, 80.0 FT%, .556 TS%


Spoiler:
Player A is Cameron Payne in two seasons at Murray St.

Player B is Coby White in one season at UNC

Not saying they are the same player, at all, but I thought it was remarkable how close their shooting numbers are....... almost identical. Same with rebs and assists.



Oh, and they kind of had the same hair for a while until Payne cut his off. lol


Player A played for freaking Murray State, whereas player B played in in a premier conference and for a premier program that was the number one team in the nation. Player B broke the record for the most points scored by a freshman in the history of UNC. Player B also scored the most points in the history of high school basketball in North Carolina. So, that's like apples and oranges.


I said I'm saying they are not the same player AT ALL. Just that their shooting stats and quite a few other things just happened to be almost identical. Coby White might turn out to be a good player. I'm just not crazy about him as the Bulls pick, especially if Hunter is there. But I won't be upset or anything. Now, if we drafted Cam Reddish, I would be pretty upset over it.


Bro...this is slander. I mean what an awful comparison. Im not even a big Coby fan but will admit he wouldve averaged 25 points a game if he played at Murray State. And shot a far higher volume of 3s than Payne did.

Still think Garland should be our guy, as we are in a position to go high risk/high reward and I wasn’t blown away by White’s game this past year. I think Garland will slide down the board further than people are anticipating. Huge risk to take a relatively unknown guy with 5 career college games as a top-5 pick.
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Post#1597 » by Rose2Boozer » Mon Jun 3, 2019 4:08 pm

The Pelicans pretty much controls the top 7. They have the first pick, and a disgruntled superstar who wants off their team. So, the Pels could be involved with 1,4, and 6 or 7. Those guys have put themselves in a strong position considering the circumstances. If the Suns trade 6 for Lonzo Ball, I'd consider that move as a strong sign that A.D is going to L.A. I wouldn't be shocked if the Pelicans ended up with Williamson, Hunter, and White. I don't like the Williamson and Hunter pairing, but it would be interesting to watch the Pels try to build a post Davis roster.
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Post#1599 » by cjbulls » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:45 pm

New ESPN mock up today. Supposedly takes "intel" into account:

1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Garland
5. Hunter
6. Culver
7. White

"White was somewhat of an afterthought in recruiting circles among guard prospects in this class, but he was able to take advantage of the green light he received in Roy Williams' system and his seemingly unlimited confidence to jump into the lottery. His impressive size, open-court quickness and shot-making ability make him an ideal fit in the modern NBA game, and he should make strides as a passer and defender as he continues to gain strength and experience.

White would fall into an ideal situation in Chicago, where he can get significant reps as a primary ballhandler on a team that has really struggled at the point guard position over the past few seasons. His perimeter shooting ability gives him the flexibility to play alongside the likes of Kris Dunn or Zach LaVine as the Bulls figure out exactly how their backcourt should shape up long term."

Other picks of note:

8. Atlanta - Reddish
11. Minn - Little
12. Char - Hachimura
14. Boston - Clarke
18. Indiana - NAW
19. SAS - Bitadze
20. Boston - Bol
29. SAS - Bazley
34. Phil - Edwards
38. Chicago - Isaiah Roby
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Post#1600 » by kodo » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:49 pm

If the Pels walk out of this draft with
#1 Zion
#4 via LA + Kuzma + Ingram for AD
#6 via PHO for Jrue

that would be amazing.

And they're in this position in the first place because they lucked into the #1 pick in the AD draft and got #6 for Noel.

The draft has been very good to New Orleans.

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