Fort Knox: A defense of Kevin Knox

MaseInYourFace · Post #501 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 8:54 am

The one with the the dumbbell I usually see that done with your knee on a bench. My guess for no bench is they want him to engage his legs and core more. But he seems to be keeping his back straight which is the key to that particular exercise. Can y’all point out to me where his form is wrong there?

Not sure what the heck the one where he had his knees on a mat and was holding a long bar, not sure what that was for as I am not familiar with that particular exercise. So no comment.

On closer viewing I didn’t love his form on that cable exercise though. For that type of exercise it shouldn’t look like you are really exerting yourself it should be nice and smooth. I agree he should probably do less weight on that. I would like to point out we are seeing small snips of workouts so it’s hard to really know what the full workout was like.

MaseInYourFace · Post #502 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 9:11 am

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The guys he’s playing against remind me of Billy Madison against the kindergarteners

It’s super early. Most of the players are in vacation mode. These nba guys start playing against each other more gradually as summer progresses. Granted even when they play each other they don’t go full all out game speed with tougher defense and all that. It’s too risky.

MaseInYourFace · Post #503 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 9:19 am

Orange21 wrote:Can’t lie I’m pretty bearish on Kev. At the 4 spot I feel like you need to have players similar to Siakam, Dray, or Tucker in order to be competitive in the league today. Kev is the complete opposite.

Best case scenario is that he turns out to be a Tobias Harris but even then I’m not really sure if that turns into wins.

His game profiles more like a classic 3 to me. His general way of playing. I know his wider body type and lack of lateral speed (compared to other classic 3’s) profile him more like a modern stretch 4 though. Ehh he’s definitely some kind of hybrid forward but he’s definitely not like those guys you mentioned.

br7knicks · Post #504 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 10:45 am

will wrote:Gotta let Knox develop and be patient with him.

i can be patient with a player. i'm on the boat of going young and rebuilding the right way, so i'm majorly in favor of being patient with young guys.

but they have to play hard and try. he's lethargic when he plays. he doens't give a **** on either side of the court. when you're a rookie, and or just starting off in the league the first few years, you have to bust your ass.

people post workout videos. working out during the off season is great. but being in shape isn't knox's problem. he plays like he doesn't give a ****. he's horrific on defense, and defense awareness. and he's very low IQ.

if i was watching videos of him in a therapist/psychologist room, the film room, i'd be impressed. he's always been in shape and pretty athletic. he can workout as much as he wants, it's not going to help as much as his mental approach to the game.

show me videos of him doing 3 vs 3, or 5 vs 5 of him going against NBA level talent and keeping his man in front of him, and playing good help defense without losing track of his man, and i'll be impressed and change my tune.

there's a reason he didn't even make rookie 2nd team, but mitch did, despite mitch receiving much less consistency with PT.

will · Post #505 » by **will** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 10:54 am

br7knicks wrote:
will wrote:Gotta let Knox develop and be patient with him.

i can be patient with a player. i'm on the boat of going young and rebuilding the right way, so i'm majorly in favor of being patient with young guys.

but they have to play hard and try. he's lethargic when he plays. he doens't give a **** on either side of the court. when you're a rookie, and or just starting off in the league the first few years, you have to bust your ass.

people post workout videos. working out during the off season is great. but being in shape isn't knox's problem. he plays like he doesn't give a ****. he's horrific on defense, and defense awareness. and he's very low IQ.

if i was watching videos of him in a therapist/psychologist room, the film room, i'd be impressed. he's always been in shape and pretty athletic. he can workout as much as he wants, it's not going to help as much as his mental approach to the game.

show me videos of him doing 3 vs 3, or 5 vs 5 of him going against NBA level talent and keeping his man in front of him, and playing good help defense without losing track of his man, and i'll be impressed and change my tune.

there's a reason he didn't even make rookie 2nd team, but mitch did, despite mitch receiving much less consistency with PT.

Agreed. The defensive aspect of the game is all a mindset.

The compete level with him is not optimal. Shot selection leaves a lot to be desired...however being a dude that was 19 years of age playing his first full season on a losing team with a ton of young guys had to have been a huge challenge.

br7knicks · Post #506 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:02 am

will wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
will wrote:Gotta let Knox develop and be patient with him.

i can be patient with a player. i'm on the boat of going young and rebuilding the right way, so i'm majorly in favor of being patient with young guys.

but they have to play hard and try. he's lethargic when he plays. he doens't give a **** on either side of the court. when you're a rookie, and or just starting off in the league the first few years, you have to bust your ass.

people post workout videos. working out during the off season is great. but being in shape isn't knox's problem. he plays like he doesn't give a ****. he's horrific on defense, and defense awareness. and he's very low IQ.

if i was watching videos of him in a therapist/psychologist room, the film room, i'd be impressed. he's always been in shape and pretty athletic. he can workout as much as he wants, it's not going to help as much as his mental approach to the game.

show me videos of him doing 3 vs 3, or 5 vs 5 of him going against NBA level talent and keeping his man in front of him, and playing good help defense without losing track of his man, and i'll be impressed and change my tune.

there's a reason he didn't even make rookie 2nd team, but mitch did, despite mitch receiving much less consistency with PT.

Agreed. The defensive aspect of the game is all a mindset.

The compete level with him is not optimal. Shot selection leaves a lot to be desired...however being a dude that was 19 years of age playing his first full season on a losing team with a ton of young guys had to have been a huge challenge.

oh i bet. and that's actually one thing i commend about knox. he never seemed to be destroyed mentally from the NY media and losing - although that could also just be due to his lack of giving a ****.

i think his shot selection slightly improved from SL, and throughout the season. like i said, that wizard's game at the end showed great signs - i just need more consistency like that game. not a lot, just a few games.

i'm okay with a lot of mistakes from the young guys, as long as you're showing improvement, and playing hard. you're young, you have to establish yourself and the kind of player you are. knox did not show he wants to be in the NBA, and that's what's most alarming to me.

i'm hoping this year he'll make the leap, but i'm not going to hold my breath.

will · Post #507 » by **will** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:27 am

br7knicks wrote:
will wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
i can be patient with a player. i'm on the boat of going young and rebuilding the right way, so i'm majorly in favor of being patient with young guys.

but they have to play hard and try. he's lethargic when he plays. he doens't give a **** on either side of the court. when you're a rookie, and or just starting off in the league the first few years, you have to bust your ass.

people post workout videos. working out during the off season is great. but being in shape isn't knox's problem. he plays like he doesn't give a ****. he's horrific on defense, and defense awareness. and he's very low IQ.

if i was watching videos of him in a therapist/psychologist room, the film room, i'd be impressed. he's always been in shape and pretty athletic. he can workout as much as he wants, it's not going to help as much as his mental approach to the game.

show me videos of him doing 3 vs 3, or 5 vs 5 of him going against NBA level talent and keeping his man in front of him, and playing good help defense without losing track of his man, and i'll be impressed and change my tune.

there's a reason he didn't even make rookie 2nd team, but mitch did, despite mitch receiving much less consistency with PT.

Agreed. The defensive aspect of the game is all a mindset.

The compete level with him is not optimal. Shot selection leaves a lot to be desired...however being a dude that was 19 years of age playing his first full season on a losing team with a ton of young guys had to have been a huge challenge.

oh i bet. and that's actually one thing i commend about knox. he never seemed to be destroyed mentally from the NY media and losing - although that could also just be due to his lack of giving a ****.

i think his shot selection slightly improved from SL, and throughout the season. like i said, that wizard's game at the end showed great signs - i just need more consistency like that game. not a lot, just a few games.

i'm okay with a lot of mistakes from the young guys, as long as you're showing improvement, and playing hard. you're young, you have to establish yourself and the kind of player you are. knox did not show he wants to be in the NBA, and that's what's most alarming to me.

i'm hoping this year he'll make the leap, but i'm not going to hold my breath.

Realistically, Knox has the physical tools to be a tremendous player on the wing. Will he ever lead the L in scoring? Unlikely. However, a guy like RJ Barrett on the team could certainly help a guy like Knox...a fellow young buck who has the defensive mindset and is willing to get at it on the defensive end as well.

Hopefully that helps elevate Knox on the defensive end - along with Fiz's guidance and leadership.

Post #508 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 5:39 pm

will wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
will wrote:
Agreed. The defensive aspect of the game is all a mindset.

The compete level with him is not optimal. Shot selection leaves a lot to be desired...however being a dude that was 19 years of age playing his first full season on a losing team with a ton of young guys had to have been a huge challenge.

oh i bet. and that's actually one thing i commend about knox. he never seemed to be destroyed mentally from the NY media and losing - although that could also just be due to his lack of giving a ****.

i think his shot selection slightly improved from SL, and throughout the season. like i said, that wizard's game at the end showed great signs - i just need more consistency like that game. not a lot, just a few games.

i'm okay with a lot of mistakes from the young guys, as long as you're showing improvement, and playing hard. you're young, you have to establish yourself and the kind of player you are. knox did not show he wants to be in the NBA, and that's what's most alarming to me.

i'm hoping this year he'll make the leap, but i'm not going to hold my breath.

Realistically, Knox has the physical tools to be a tremendous player on the wing. Will he ever lead the L in scoring? Unlikely. However, a guy like RJ Barrett on the team could certainly help a guy like Knox...a fellow young buck who has the defensive mindset and is willing to get at it on the defensive end as well.

Hopefully that helps elevate Knox on the defensive end - along with Fiz's guidance and leadership.

That really doesn't describe either guy

QueensG718 · Post #509 » by **QueensG718** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 6:11 pm

I still have complete faith he can be star. Once he trust his game more everything will come together for him. That includes his mental approach to the game. Hes going to enforce alot more

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malik959 · Post #510 » by **malik959** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 7:52 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:The one with the the dumbbell I usually see that done with your knee on a bench. My guess for no bench is they want him to engage his legs and core more. But he seems to be keeping his back straight which is the key to that particular exercise. Can y’all point out to me where his form is wrong there?

Not sure what the heck the one where he had his knees on a mat and was holding a long bar, not sure what that was for as I am not familiar with that particular exercise. So no comment.

On closer viewing I didn’t love his form on that cable exercise though. For that type of exercise it shouldn’t look like you are really exerting yourself it should be nice and smooth. I agree he should probably do less weight on that. I would like to point out we are seeing small snips of workouts so it’s hard to really know what the full workout was like.

It should always be a smooth motion going up and going down, never jerking because it can lead to future injuries. Proper breathing, keeping your core tight, and head is always up.

We've seen how poor technique can lead to injuries with KP.

br7knicks · Post #511 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 9:15 pm

GONYK wrote:
will wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
oh i bet. and that's actually one thing i commend about knox. he never seemed to be destroyed mentally from the NY media and losing - although that could also just be due to his lack of giving a ****.

i think his shot selection slightly improved from SL, and throughout the season. like i said, that wizard's game at the end showed great signs - i just need more consistency like that game. not a lot, just a few games.

i'm okay with a lot of mistakes from the young guys, as long as you're showing improvement, and playing hard. you're young, you have to establish yourself and the kind of player you are. knox did not show he wants to be in the NBA, and that's what's most alarming to me.

i'm hoping this year he'll make the leap, but i'm not going to hold my breath.

Realistically, Knox has the physical tools to be a tremendous player on the wing. Will he ever lead the L in scoring? Unlikely. However, a guy like RJ Barrett on the team could certainly help a guy like Knox...a fellow young buck who has the defensive mindset and is willing to get at it on the defensive end as well.

Hopefully that helps elevate Knox on the defensive end - along with Fiz's guidance and leadership.

That really doesn't describe either guy

I thought Barrett was a pretty defensively minded guy. He's not Hunter, but still gets at it on defense

will · Post #512 » by **will** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 9:19 pm

br7knicks wrote:
GONYK wrote:
will wrote:
Realistically, Knox has the physical tools to be a tremendous player on the wing. Will he ever lead the L in scoring? Unlikely. However, a guy like RJ Barrett on the team could certainly help a guy like Knox...a fellow young buck who has the defensive mindset and is willing to get at it on the defensive end as well.

Hopefully that helps elevate Knox on the defensive end - along with Fiz's guidance and leadership.

That really doesn't describe either guy

I thought Barrett was a pretty defensively minded guy. He's not Hunter, but still gets at it on defense

RJ is a very solid 2 way player. In the college game...guys aren't really locking up other top players like Bruce Bowen, Raja, Ron Ron, etc....RJ's defensive game will be more noticeable and effective in the NBA. With Barrett and Knox practicing, training and playing together, don't see why they wouldn't be able to learn from each other and grow together - especially on the defensive side of the ball.

Post #513 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 10:07 pm

will wrote:
br7knicks wrote:
GONYK wrote:
That really doesn't describe either guy

I thought Barrett was a pretty defensively minded guy. He's not Hunter, but still gets at it on defense

RJ is a very solid 2 way player. In the college game...guys aren't really locking up other top players like Bruce Bowen, Raja, Ron Ron, etc....RJ's defensive game will be more noticeable and effective in the NBA. With Barrett and Knox practicing, training and playing together, don't see why they wouldn't be able to learn from each other and grow together - especially on the defensive side of the ball.

RJ's initially matches up on defense, but dies at the first hint of any interference.

The dog in him does not show up on that side of the ball.

Theoretically, he can improve, but I'm not really holding my breath until I see someone correct the upright nature that he moves with.

QueensG718 · Post #514 » by **QueensG718** » Mon Jun 3, 2019 11:54 pm

Keep sleeping on this man

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knickstape21 · Post #515 » by **knickstape21** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 12:45 am

Really would like to see more pick and roll for K Knox.

Love his work ethic.

thebuzzardman · Post #516 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 12:53 am

knickstape21 wrote:Really would like to see more pick and roll for K Knox.

Love his work ethic.

They ran it with him and Mitch in the SL sometimes and it was nice

They ran it with him and a guard - Frank a few times, other times whoever, and it was nice. I like that guard/SF version because theoretically either guy could just shoot it.

i hope to see that play more this year.

KNIXFAN_83 · Post #517 » by **KNIXFAN_83** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 1:53 am

QueensG718 wrote:

Keep sleeping on this man

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That’s actually a pretty impressive workout clip. The kid got some real skills and only 19 years old. Thank you Mr. Perry.

ny-n-md · Post #518 » by **ny-n-md** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 2:28 am

Once he gets stronger I expect him to finish like this more often. The potential is there, he just needs strength and confidence.

Juco24 · Post #519 » by **Juco24** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 8:27 am

KNIXFAN_83 wrote:
QueensG718 wrote:

Keep sleeping on this man

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That’s actually a pretty impressive workout clip. The kid got some real skills and only 19 years old. Thank you Mr. Perry.

19 years old in the gym working his ass off!!

Nazrmohamed · Post #520 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Tue Jun 4, 2019 11:16 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:The one with the the dumbbell I usually see that done with your knee on a bench. My guess for no bench is they want him to engage his legs and core more. But he seems to be keeping his back straight which is the key to that particular exercise. Can y’all point out to me where his form is wrong there?

Not sure what the heck the one where he had his knees on a mat and was holding a long bar, not sure what that was for as I am not familiar with that particular exercise. So no comment.

On closer viewing I didn’t love his form on that cable exercise though. For that type of exercise it shouldn’t look like you are really exerting yourself it should be nice and smooth. I agree he should probably do less weight on that. I would like to point out we are seeing small snips of workouts so it’s hard to really know what the full workout was like.

Way too herky jerky at the shoulder. Slow down, burst up but then hold and squeeze ........bring it down slow and controlled for the negative. Dumbells should come to its peak less at the shoulder and more so at his lower chest as well.

On the first one that it.