2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[510TWSS]

I just want to take a second and shoutout Nick Nurse. I thought the box and 1 strategy was pure genius despite what Curry said. It took the Warriors out of their element and helped the Raps crawl back into the game. The only qualm I really have about his coaching is the use of his timeouts, he likes to use the Phil Jackson 'let them figure it out' approach and it backfired last night.

I actually think he did a poor job. I was really impressed with his coaching game 1. But in game 2 he made bad decisions like keeping key players in with too many fouls (which resulted in Lowry fouling out with almost 4 minutes left on the clock in a tight game). He has enough depth not to keep playing players who rack up 3 fouls in the 1st half. Secondly, I thought he did a bad job during the 18-0 run in the 3rd. He should've called timeout again, recalibrated and drawn up a play for an easy bucket to stop the run. That was devastating to their morale. Let's see how he does in game 3

Tbf Lowry’s fouled out of both games and no one would tell Kyle to gamble on that 6th foul in the back court. That was just straight up dumb and low probability play anyway.

[BayArea408415]

Raptors win 1 game : Series going to 7
GSW wins 1 game : Gentlemans sweep incoming

A lot of children on this board.

If you go back and look at the thread/s I think you’ll find a lot of people saying it was over after game 1.

Agreed. Saw quite a few Raptors in 4 or Raptors in 5. Many people completely dismissed the Warriors because Steph/Klay shot well and they still lost by 9. Others thought Gasol/Siakam would continue to easily feast on the Warriors as well. Too many hot takes. This series is going 6 or 7 unless Durant comes back and goes off with Curry and Klay.

[Son Goku 25]

Raptors win 1 game : Series going to 7
GSW wins 1 game : Gentlemans sweep incoming

A lot of children on this board.

If you go back and look at the thread/s I think you’ll find a lot of people saying it was over after game 1.

Agreed. Saw quite a few Raptors in 4 or Raptors in 5. Many people completely dismissed the Warriors because Steph/Klay shot well and they still lost by 9. Others thought Gasol/Siakam would continue to easily feast on the Warriors as well. Too many hot takes. This series is going 6 or 7 unless Durant comes back and goes off with Curry and Klay.

Yeah, potentially be a long series, I think its great for the league too... for obvious reasons.

[Vlade Divac]

The amount of crazy difficult shots Klay hit is absurd. Every time he had a ball Raptors defenders were in his jersey and he still made them. But he got what he deserves by trying to bait refs to call a foul when he injured himself. Seeing the whistle whole night I was shocked they did not call that and rewarded champions (of flop) one more favourable call.

[floppymoose]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

[510TWSS]

Your Cousins takes are consistently loopy. Looney might do 1 thing better than Cousins defensively. And certainly on offense he's just the sort of basic game roleplayer that a top defensive team has no trouble neutralizing. You know exactly what he can and cannot do.

Your love of cousins biases you to insane levels. Cousins is a serious defensive liability all that said I'm loving how much effort the guy is playing with and I'm seriously crossing my fingers he doesn't hurt himself.

He's not good at pick and roll defense, but as a help defender, 1 on 1 against big in the post, and rebounding he's actually good. He passed the eye test watching the game and looking at the box scores backs it up. He had 10 rebounds, 9 defensive, and 2 blocks in only 28 mins.

Edit* my bad thought this was on Gasol. Carry on haha

ESPN post game pod lightly ripped Marc for not showing up in game 2 like he had in game 1. Offensively he just doesn’t have it some nights and doesn’t look confident with his shot at times.

Lol last week they were like Gasol wants to be paid like a franchise player but none of the responsibility that comes with it. Damn harsh af

[trickshot]

I just want to take a second and shoutout Nick Nurse. I thought the box and 1 strategy was pure genius despite what Curry said. It took the Warriors out of their element and helped the Raps crawl back into the game. The only qualm I really have about his coaching is the use of his timeouts, he likes to use the Phil Jackson 'let them figure it out' approach and it backfired last night.

I actually think he did a poor job. I was really impressed with his coaching game 1. But in game 2 he made bad decisions like keeping key players in with too many fouls (which resulted in Lowry fouling out with almost 4 minutes left on the clock in a tight game). He has enough depth not to keep playing players who rack up 3 fouls in the 1st half. Secondly, I thought he did a bad job during the 18-0 run in the 3rd. He should've called timeout again, recalibrated and drawn up a play for an easy bucket to stop the run. That was devastating to their morale. Let's see how he does in game 3

Tbf Lowry’s fouled out of both games and no one would tell Kyle to gamble on that 6th foul in the back court. That was just straight up dumb and low probability play anyway.

Sometimes with Lowry it's like all his playoff experience counts for nothing. How do you foul out with such a dumb play in a finals game?

[Vlade Divac]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

You have very selective hearing and viewing. I wonder which team you are rooting for? One thing is when Raptors fans call him for it, but completely other when national broadcasters do the same. So make sure you have your sound on and take off your yellow and blue sunglasses so you can see it better:

Watch on YouTube

[Son Goku 25]

At the end of the day, the warriors won game 2, series is tied 1-1! Magic Johnson

[will]

Man, Raps need to come out gunning Game 3.
They just weren't shooting their shots with conviction. A TON of great open looks...sensed hesitation and doubt right from the get-go.

Wednesday a new day.

LETS GET THIS, SON!!!!!

[ATLTimekeeper]

The Warriors flopped all night in front of Obama. No shame

Lowry needs to have another cookie and get back to playing for the team and not fighting his demons. He left FVV exposed on the floor for 18 minute stretches chasing Steph around. There's two ways to look at last night, either the Warriors scraped by with giving the Raptors just a taste of their 73 win core dynamics, or that's pretty much what they have in the tank. If that's it, I think the Raptors can break down that defense well enough 3 more times. Cousins is dropping back or barrelling into ballhandlers on the perimeter. Much like Brook Lopez, over the course of a series Kawhi and Lowry will just expose those soft spots he has to give up. Bogut looked better on offense than defense, and I think that's something that's an advantage to the Raptors.

What I would be leery of is someone like Cook gaining confidence as the series goes on, because he's likely going to be open a lot. I'm pretty sure the Raptors can come back from 15 down on these guys in the Bay, but anything above 15 is game over.

[floppymoose]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

You have very selective hearing and viewing. I wonder which team you are rooting for? One thing is when Raptors fans call him for it, but completely other when national broadcasters do the same. So make sure you have your sound on and take off your yellow and blue sunglasses so you can see it better:

Watch on YouTube

You seem to be believing JVG over your eyes. You cant really tell from the angle shown in that replay, since the defender collides behind him from that angle. Watch from the original broadcast angle and you will see i am correct.

Its also a bit weird for a Raptors fan to call out me out for bias? Warriors dans are biased and Raptors fans aren’t, is that the idea?

[BayWarrior]

The amount of crazy difficult shots Klay hit is absurd. Every time he had a ball Raptors defenders were in his jersey and he still made them. But he got what he deserves by trying to bait refs to call a foul when he injured himself. Seeing the whistle whole night I was shocked they did not call that and rewarded champions (of flop) one more favourable call.

I don't even know if Klay was flopping or not on that play, but based on what your saying is if Kawhi flops and get injured while running into players, he would also get what he deserves. That's just a sad view you have wishing players get injured.

[Jaqua92]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

You have very selective hearing and viewing. I wonder which team you are rooting for? One thing is when Raptors fans call him for it, but completely other when national broadcasters do the same. So make sure you have your sound on and take off your yellow and blue sunglasses so you can see it better:

Watch on YouTube

You seem to be believing JVG over your eyes. You cant really tell from the angle shown in that replay, since the defender collides behind him from that angle. Watch from the original broadcast angle and you will see i am correct.

Its also a bit weird for a Raptors fan to call out me out for bias? Warriors dans are biased and Raptors fans aren’t, is that the idea?

85% of raptors fans here we're calling this game rigged. all over there board they were disrespecting the Warriors, saying the warriors were totally help match, saying that they're going to win the finals etc Only to blow up in their face. It's nothing new with their fans here. They are biased, and have a confidence in their team with nothing to back it up. Viewing the Warriors as the lesser team. The Warriors. Lol.

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[Vlade Divac]

The amount of crazy difficult shots Klay hit is absurd. Every time he had a ball Raptors defenders were in his jersey and he still made them. But he got what he deserves by trying to bait refs to call a foul when he injured himself. Seeing the whistle whole night I was shocked they did not call that and rewarded champions (of flop) one more favourable call.

I don't even know if Klay was flopping or not on that play, but based on what your saying is if Kawhi flops and get injured while running into players, he would also get what he deserves. That's just a sad view you have wishing players get injured.

So what these pictures are supposed to show? You lost me there. That Kawhi flops? I don’t see that I just see a contact.

Listen it’s one thing if you flop on excessive contact, but completely another when you stretch your legs in an unnatural way WITHOUT ANY CONTACT hopping to catch any part of defender so you are gifted a foul. It’s obvious that very contortion caused injury. It’s almost like throwing yourself under approaching car so you can sue for an insurance claim. And I have to respect that?!?

[000078ude54]

The easiest way for the league to alter and shape the outcome of a game is simply get Impactful players in foul trouble early

Anyone thinking the league wanted the Raps to take a 2-0 lead while at the same time assigning Tony Brothers and Scott Foster to the same game is delusional.

Those two are hands down, the most corrupt referees working today. Even Joey Crawford was not as blatant as these two chimps.

It's a disgrace.

THIS.

The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business that Silver & Co. aren't just going to leave up to good ol' fashioned competition. That includes steering which teams pick in the draft (i.e. Cavs three no. 1 picks in 4 years, AD gifted to Tom Benson for buying/keeping team in NOLA just 2 months prior to the 2012 draft), All-Star Games (NOLA and LA 3 times each in recent years), and yes, having marquee playoff series going 7 games instead of 4 or 5.

Look up former mafia boss Michael Franzese. During his heyday he was involved with sports betting and said that basketball is hands down the easiest sport to control the outcome of. The refs can essentially take key players out of the equation with timely fouls or let them slide with no-calls. Then, albeit with comparatively lesser frequency, players can point shave. There have been a number of NBA games I've seen in the last 5 years where I've wondered if certain players or teams have been paid to lay down so a series can be extended.

Tony Brothers, Scott Foster, Ken Mauer, Sean Corbin, and Ed Malloy are the league's ref goon squad. When they're on the court, you know the game is fixed.

That first part is tin foil hat stuff. Maybe the first lotto where they grabbed envelopes, but the modern draft lotto can't be faked.

The second part, yeah, i've believed that in the past is true, and I have evidence that it can't be true still.

It's naive to believe that a business won't control any factor it can to increase revenue. The NBA is not letting ping pong balls (aka "chance") decide which players are drafted to which teams, therefore potentially impacting franchise valuations, TV deals, sponsorships in the millions and billions. Everyone accepts reality at their own pace, I suppose.

[Clementine64]

Will Klay be out for game 3? If he's out or severely hobbled along with KD I think Raps win game 3.

[DingleJerry]

THIS.

The NBA is a multi-billion dollar business that Silver & Co. aren't just going to leave up to good ol' fashioned competition. That includes steering which teams pick in the draft (i.e. Cavs three no. 1 picks in 4 years, AD gifted to Tom Benson for buying/keeping team in NOLA just 2 months prior to the 2012 draft), All-Star Games (NOLA and LA 3 times each in recent years), and yes, having marquee playoff series going 7 games instead of 4 or 5.

Look up former mafia boss Michael Franzese. During his heyday he was involved with sports betting and said that basketball is hands down the easiest sport to control the outcome of. The refs can essentially take key players out of the equation with timely fouls or let them slide with no-calls. Then, albeit with comparatively lesser frequency, players can point shave. There have been a number of NBA games I've seen in the last 5 years where I've wondered if certain players or teams have been paid to lay down so a series can be extended.

Tony Brothers, Scott Foster, Ken Mauer, Sean Corbin, and Ed Malloy are the league's ref goon squad. When they're on the court, you know the game is fixed.

That first part is tin foil hat stuff. Maybe the first lotto where they grabbed envelopes, but the modern draft lotto can't be faked.

The second part, yeah, i've believed that in the past is true, and I have evidence that it can't be true still.

It's naive to believe that a business won't control any factor it can to increase revenue. The NBA is not letting ping pong balls (aka "chance") decide which players are drafted to which teams, therefore potentially impacting franchise valuations, TV deals, sponsorships in the millions and billions. Everyone accepts reality at their own pace, I suppose.

Then why is Zion going to NO. Why did Kyrie go to Cle. How did Sea and Por leapfrog bigger markets for Oden and Durant. Why is AD in NO. KAT in MN. Pretty much the only conspiracy thing in the draft that happened in recent years would Rose to Chi despite very low chances. But if you actually cared to look into the process they have in place and the transparency of it you'd see that it's now impossible to rig it. Everyone needs to give it up on this. Everyone called for it this y ear and guess what, Knicks got screwed. Yet here you are still doing it.

[CS707]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

You have very selective hearing and viewing. I wonder which team you are rooting for? One thing is when Raptors fans call him for it, but completely other when national broadcasters do the same. So make sure you have your sound on and take off your yellow and blue sunglasses so you can see it better:

Watch on YouTube

"National broadcasters" sounds so much more nonpartisan than just saying Van Gundy and Mark Jackson lol.

[Zvaart]

I dont get the Klay got what he deserved narrative. His form was nuetral and his feet underneath him until after the defender collided with his hip. I didnt get to see the original broadcast, so i had read all the comments here before seeing the rebroadcast. From the comments here i had thought Klay kicked put a leg to draw contact. But he clearly didnt do that, as his legs never moved until after the collision. So i guess everyone hates players that try to let the ref know they were fouled? Thats 90+% of all nba players, including the Raptors. Maybe you shoyld watch a sport where you dont hate your own team?

You have very selective hearing and viewing. I wonder which team you are rooting for? One thing is when Raptors fans call him for it, but completely other when national broadcasters do the same. So make sure you have your sound on and take off your yellow and blue sunglasses so you can see it better:

Watch on YouTube

You seem to be believing JVG over your eyes. You cant really tell from the angle shown in that replay, since the defender collides behind him from that angle. Watch from the original broadcast angle and you will see i am correct.

Its also a bit weird for a Raptors fan to call out me out for bias? Warriors dans are biased and Raptors fans aren’t, is that the idea?

Here you go:

Read on Twitter

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Clearly contact. Funny thing is i found this on the Raptors board.

Guess who’s biased ?