Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[Bohemian]

Targeting a veteran PG in the West, via trade.... not sure how likely it is to pull it off though, would require a lot of maneuvering as his salary is pretty large...

Ainge was talking to Houston recently.. Could it be Paul? His contract is pure Sci fi

Comfortable to say it's not Paul.

Awesome

[CelticFaninLBC]

If they get a trade exception for Kyrie, can Conley's deal fit?

[Disinformation]

Ainge was talking to Houston recently.. Could it be Paul? His contract is pure Sci fi

Comfortable to say it's not Paul.

Awesome

Oooh! A mystery! OK...

Here are the Western Conference PGs making more than $20 million:

Stephen Curry - No way he's available
Russell Westbrook - Maybe? Probably not.
Chris Paul - reload already said no
Mike Conley - Seems pretty possible
Damian Lillard - No way he's available
Jrue Holiday - Maybe?

Or, if you consider James Harden a PG (he played PG for a season or two before Paul arrived) he could be included. So I guess my guesses in order of likelihood would be:

Conley
Holiday
Harden
Westbrook

ETA: As an aside, John Wall's salary will be $38 million next season. Washington needs to burn it down and start over, I think.

[truth18]

Comfortable to say it's not Paul.

Awesome

Oooh! A mystery! OK...

Here are the Western Conference PGs making more than $20 million:

Stephen Curry - No way he's available
Russell Westbrook - Maybe? Probably not.
Chris Paul - reload already said no
Mike Conley - Seems pretty possible
Damian Lillard - No way he's available
Jrue Holiday - Maybe?

Or, if you consider James Harden a PG (he played PG for a season or two before Paul arrived) he could be included. So I guess my guesses in order of likelihood would be:

Conley
Holiday
Harden
Westbrook

ETA: As an aside, John Wall's salary will be $38 million next season. Washington needs to burn it down and start over, I think.

Our FO would never try to bring Russ here after what happened with Kyrie imo.

Remember when people thought Wall was worth that?

[Disinformation]

Awesome

Oooh! A mystery! OK...

Here are the Western Conference PGs making more than $20 million:

Stephen Curry - No way he's available
Russell Westbrook - Maybe? Probably not.
Chris Paul - reload already said no
Mike Conley - Seems pretty possible
Damian Lillard - No way he's available
Jrue Holiday - Maybe?

Or, if you consider James Harden a PG (he played PG for a season or two before Paul arrived) he could be included. So I guess my guesses in order of likelihood would be:

Conley
Holiday
Harden
Westbrook

Our FO would never try to bring Russ here after what happened with Kyrie imo.

That's a really good point...also the reason I wouldn't want Russ.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It could be Lillard - he’s young-ish, explosively gifted as a scorer, Portland has landed on the treadmill, and they probably don’t want to give him a supermax deal.. it could make sense to move on from him now and monitor how Nurkic recovers, how Collins develops, how the team does without Lillard, and whether to trade expirings or try to get cap room..

[Andrew McCeltic]

There’s no way to get Conley or Lillard without gutting our core, though - Hayward or Horford would have to be outgoing..

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Nurkic had stayed healthy, after the Portland playoff washout I would’ve thought about something like Horford/Smart/assets (MEM? Williams?) for Lillard/Nurkic.. Now Jusuf is too much of a gamble..

[truth18]

There’s no way to get Conley or Lillard without gutting our core, though - Hayward or Horford would have to be outgoing..

And PDX doesn't want to take on Gordon. No one does.

If Nurkic had stayed healthy, after the Portland playoff washout I would’ve thought about something like Horford/Smart/assets (MEM? Williams?) for Lillard/Nurkic.. Now Jusuf is too much of a gamble..

**** it, I would have done that too honestly.

[Andrew McCeltic]

There’s an argument - IMO - for why Portland would - Smart-Hayward for Lillard-Nurkic would be the core of a deal..

[truth18]

There’s an argument - IMO - for why Portland would - Smart-Hayward for Lillard-Nurkic would be the core of a deal..

I guess, I am pretty down on Gordon though and I have a feeling GMs around the league are feeling that even more so. Nurk is much less of a risk imo.

Also, Portland might be fine tread-milling. They seem content as long as they sell out the arena and make the playoffs. Losing Lillard right now probably goes down very poorly with season ticket holders.

[Andrew McCeltic]

FWIW, if Kyrie leaves and Davis isn’t in the cards, Conley - maybe in a three team deal - would be a good point guard to man the helm for a year or two - on the books for 30 million for 2019-20, with an ETO for 2020-2021, or 32 million in his expiring season..

[truth18]

FWIW, if Kyrie leaves and Davis isn’t in the cards, Conley - maybe in a three team deal - would be a good point guard to man the helm for a year or two - on the books for 30 million for 2019-20, with an ETO for 2020-2021, or 32 million in his expiring season..

Fully agree.

That said:

Oh my **** god, the potential future of this team has me like:

[Andrew McCeltic]

There’s an argument - IMO - for why Portland would - Smart-Hayward for Lillard-Nurkic would be the core of a deal..

I guess, I am pretty down on Gordon though and I have a feeling GMs around the league are feeling that even more so. Nurk is much less of a risk imo.

Google Nurkic’s leg injury - he had a double compound fracture, I don’t think it was as bad as Hayward’s, he’s younger, but he’s carrying more weight around - part of it would be swapping one injury problem for another - and a recovered Hayward (which we’ve seen in flashes) would be almost as good as Lillard - or comparable - and give the Blazers perimeter shooting on the wing they’re always lacking. I don’t think it’s a likely trade, but it’s possible.

[Andrew McCeltic]

FWIW, if Kyrie leaves and Davis isn’t in the cards, Conley - maybe in a three team deal - would be a good point guard to man the helm for a year or two - on the books for 30 million for 2019-20, with an ETO for 2020-2021, or 32 million in his expiring season..

Fully agree.

That said:

Oh my **** god, the potential future of this team has me like:

It’s getting dark fast here, yeah - hopefully just some clouds going by

[radcot]

Don't know if it's possible, but I'd love to get Conley. Guy is one of the most underrated players in the NBA.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Could all be indirect negotiating - if Griffin wants Tatum, and isn’t inking a deal, Boston looking in other directions makes him think about Ainge dropping out of the bidding.

[truth18]

Could all be indirect negotiating - if Griffin wants Tatum, and isn’t inking a deal, Boston looking in other directions makes him think about Ainge dropping out of the bidding.

Great point overall but these negotiations start at Tatum, no?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Conley would probably require Horford going out, probably in a three-team deal - Al opts in, could we swing him to OKC, Adams to Boston, Smart and Roberson to MEM, Conley to Boston?

Or Horford to OKC, Adams to MEM, Conley to BOS is the obvious..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Could all be indirect negotiating - if Griffin wants Tatum, and isn’t inking a deal, Boston looking in other directions makes him think about Ainge dropping out of the bidding.

Great point overall but these negotiations start at Tatum, no?

Meaning that if we start looking at trades to spend our salary matching chips and put a team around Tatum and Brown, we’re out of the running.. at least for 60 days.