Trade Ideas (Part III)

[jbk1234]

The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Yup, at least people are starting to listen to us when we tell them why trades are bad.

But looking at the Bulls wanting to go PG more than likely, what about #5 & Delly for #7, Dunn, and Hutchinson. Dropping back 2 spots the Cavs still drop about 3-4 mil in salary, get a SF prospect in Hutchinson, and do their own tire kicking of Dunn before likely letting him walk in FA after being a top 5 pick in 2016, meanwhile the Bulls get a vet PG and either their pick of Garland/White or whichever one remaining if the Lakers pick one.

It's not just proposed Cavs trades that are bad on the T&T board right now. Everyone is trying to get something while holding onto their picks and it's just completely unrealistic.

[zaymon]

Would you guys trade #5 for Bamba ? We are very high on him, and so is our FO but Culver would fit perfectly with Orlando and Vucevic showed he is elite big man. At 16 we would draft Fernando, Bitadze or Claxton to replace Mo so i can see it happening from our side. Bamba would give you a potential franchise center and great fit with Sexton. What do you think ?

[ToneLocc]

Would you guys trade #5 for Bamba ? We are very high on him, and so is our FO but Culver would fit perfectly with Orlando and Vucevic showed he is elite big man. At 16 we would draft Fernando, Bitadze or Claxton to replace Mo so i can see it happening from our side. Bamba would give you a potential franchise center and great fit with Sexton. What do you think ?

No. I’d give up 26 though

[JonFromVA]

Would you guys trade #5 for Bamba ? We are very high on him, and so is our FO but Culver would fit perfectly with Orlando and Vucevic showed he is elite big man. At 16 we would draft Fernando, Bitadze or Claxton to replace Mo so i can see it happening from our side. Bamba would give you a potential franchise center and great fit with Sexton. What do you think ?

Mo was the 6th pick last year, had a rough season, and got hurt. His value has clearly depreciated - the only question is how much.

If your still high on Mo, you might as well hold on to him and develop him. Then he'll have significant trade value .vs. the value of a disappointing big man/bust like Anthony Bennett, Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor, etc. But if you draft a more NBA-ready big at 16? That might push Mo's development further on the back burner.

[JonFromVA]

The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Hey, at least they get a reality check. The truth is usually somewhere between what a fan of your team would accept .vs. what a fan of the other team would accept; as all fan bases tend to be unrealistic.

[jbk1234]

Would you guys trade #5 for Bamba ? We are very high on him, and so is our FO but Culver would fit perfectly with Orlando and Vucevic showed he is elite big man. At 16 we would draft Fernando, Bitadze or Claxton to replace Mo so i can see it happening from our side. Bamba would give you a potential franchise center and great fit with Sexton. What do you think ?

I wouldn't even trade back to No. 16 for Bamba.

[jbk1234]

The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Hey, at least they get a reality check. The truth is usually somewhere between what a fan of your team would accept .vs. what a fan of the other team would accept; as all fan bases tend to be unrealistic.

Maybe I'm more engaged than others but you get a sense of what the market is just by crunching the numbers and knowing which teams are even willing to eat contracts before F.A. starts. You get a sense of which players are sought after, and which players are not. You know whether you'll be bidding against other teams to get player X. It's like all of that goes out the window and just comes down to I want.

[zaymon]

You guys are harsh. Bamba was physically underdeveloped 20 year old playing with out of the league pg rotation with us. I think our FO wouldnt agree at #5 for Bamba becouse potential difference is massive, still i like keeping Vucevic and Culver is nice rotational piece

[Richfield]

Who gives up on a guy that fast?

Either he’s damaged goods or you realized he wont be as good as you thought, which means the 5th pick is asking way too much.

That said I like Bamba. I think he has untapped passing potential, something that would fit Cavs moving forward, and i like his shot block timing. That said, he’s a string bean at the moment with no guarantee to get much bigger. So itd be a deal you wouldnt like.

How about you find out what you could get for Tristan on the open market and we talk about a three way? Unless you want Tristan in Orlando. Great teamwork dirty work guy unselfish and would actually be a welcome fit there basketballistically speaking.

Somehow the money would have to get sorted out too. But for where the two teams are, that could be a win win for both.

Also, to be clear i dont want to trade Tristan. But it sounds like the org is definitely considering, and i dont want him going for peanuts like i fear he will. Mo amounts to more than peanuts for me so its just a suggestion if we’re losing TT anyways. Not advocating trading him at all. In the proverbial “right deal” seems like Mo might fit that criteria.

[ToneLocc]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

[jbk1234]

You guys are harsh. Bamba was physically underdeveloped 20 year old playing with out of the league pg rotation with us. I think our FO wouldnt agree at #5 for Bamba becouse potential difference is massive, still i like keeping Vucevic and Culver is nice rotational piece

Part if it is the Cavs have glaring needs everywhere except for the front court. The Cavs are kind of settled on a Nance/Love front court for now. They've got TT, Henson, and Zizic behind them. They need to address the other positions first.

[jbk1234]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

[JonFromVA]

The T&T board is bad this time of year. Fans want to dump salary for peanuts even though this is the hardest time of year to do that. They want to upgrade their rosters without attaching picks or offering salary relief. It's essentially just wishcasting.

Hey, at least they get a reality check. The truth is usually somewhere between what a fan of your team would accept .vs. what a fan of the other team would accept; as all fan bases tend to be unrealistic.

Maybe I'm more engaged than others but you get a sense of what the market is just by crunching the numbers and knowing which teams are even willing to eat contracts before F.A. starts. You get a sense of which players are sought after, and which players are not. You know whether you'll be bidding against other teams to get player X. It's like all of that goes out the window and just comes down to I want.

I'm pretty sure fantasy trade boards were created just to isolate the insanity from everybody else. Some people just seem to enjoy running stuff through trade machine and posting it.

If I have an idea that I think has some merit, I post it to the other team's board to see how stupid they think it is, not to a trade board. Sort of like zaymon is doing. I especially like his attempt to play GM and mention how much they love Bamba - when in reality I'm sure they're mulling over whether they drafted an injury prone bust and should "cash out" while he may still have some value. Heck, I could see a Cavs fan doing the same with Sexton even though Collin has shown a lot more; just because it's unclear right now whether he'll develop PG skills.

[JonFromVA]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

LeBron disagrees with your post ...

[Richfield]

LeBron disagrees with your post ...

Dwyane Wade disagrees with your post.

[dean456]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

JR Smith is 34yo and played 22 games last season and clearly doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. If you guys think you are getting a pick or one of our young guys you are mistaken. Likely he will be part of a bigger deal which has us taking back extra salary to help the Cavs get out of the tax.

You guys probably arent going to like any trades you guys make this season. Bottom line is no NBA owner wants to waste millions of dollars going deep into the tax for a team that was 27th last season. My bet is they were betting on getting Zion to make up for the revenue they would be losing in tax but that didnt happen and falling out of the top 3 has forced them to make some difficult decisions.

[jbk1234]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

JR Smith is 34yo and played 22 games last season and clearly doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. If you guys think you are getting a pick or one of our young guys you are mistaken. Likely he will be part of a bigger deal which has us taking back extra salary to help the Cavs get out of the tax.

You guys probably arent going to like any trades you guys make this season. Bottom line is no NBA owner wants to waste millions of dollars going deep into the tax for a team that was 27th last season. My bet is they were betting on getting Zion to make up for the revenue they would be losing in tax but that didnt happen and falling out of the top 3 has forced them to make some difficult decisions.

Dude, research JR's contract and come back here.

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[Richfield]

JR Smith is 34yo and played 22 games last season and clearly doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. If you guys think you are getting a pick or one of our young guys you are mistaken. Likely he will be part of a bigger deal which has us taking back extra salary to help the Cavs get out of the tax.

You guys probably arent going to like any trades you guys make this season. Bottom line is no NBA owner wants to waste millions of dollars going deep into the tax for a team that was 27th last season. My bet is they were betting on getting Zion to make up for the revenue they would be losing in tax but that didnt happen and falling out of the top 3 has forced them to make some difficult decisions.

[Stillwater]

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

JR Smith is 34yo and played 22 games last season and clearly doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. If you guys think you are getting a pick or one of our young guys you are mistaken. Likely he will be part of a bigger deal which has us taking back extra salary to help the Cavs get out of the tax.

You guys probably arent going to like any trades you guys make this season. Bottom line is no NBA owner wants to waste millions of dollars going deep into the tax for a team that was 27th last season. My bet is they were betting on getting Zion to make up for the revenue they would be losing in tax but that didnt happen and falling out of the top 3 has forced them to make some difficult decisions.

dont know really how much trading for Smith and waiving him only costing Miami his partial (grandfathered pre cba change) really helps Miami this year but if by sending out jj who has a po is 2020 they get him off the books going into next summer and im also not sure how likely Miami ever was to keep the guaranteed deal of the 13th pick anyway...but i still think the crabbe and 27/31 for smith is most probable because that deal alone puts the Nets in 2 max teratory .
also think okc #21 is in play as well.

[ToneLocc]

:o

From Shams at the Athletic:

"Cleveland Cavaliers

A team that has expressed an interest in a salary-designed trade of J.R. Smith: the Miami Heat, sources said. The Heat also have contracts they could look to move in the offseason in a deal such as this, and would have to absorb Smith’s deal."

Heat players with comparable salaries for a trade:
-Dion Waiters ($12.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Kelly Olynyk ($11.67mil), runs through '20-21
-James Johnson ($15.1mil), runs through '20-21
-Justise Winslow ($13mil), runs through '21-22
-Josh Richardson ($10.1mil), runs through '21-22

Let's assume the Heat end up being the trade partner for JR... Which of these players get traded to Cleveland? I'm guessing Winslow and Richardson are not on the table. The Heat have pick #13 this year but don't have a second rounder.

All of these players/contracts would be tough to stomach for me... A swap for their 13th and our 26th would be my starting point. JR+26 for Johnson + 13? Barf

I wonder if they value Winslow or Richardson over say the 13th pick. Because that would probably my first choice.

I love me some Waiters but he can't come back to Cleveland. Not while we've got Clarkson, Sexton, and Knight on the roster. Love would demand a trade within weeks.

We also have so many front court players on our roster that this is probably James Johnson via default.

FWIW, I think Riley has bought into his own spin a little too much. I don't think they're landing a big fish if they clear cap space. You have to have that first star as the incentive to get the second and third to join. They don't.

JR Smith is 34yo and played 22 games last season and clearly doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. If you guys think you are getting a pick or one of our young guys you are mistaken. Likely he will be part of a bigger deal which has us taking back extra salary to help the Cavs get out of the tax.

You guys probably arent going to like any trades you guys make this season. Bottom line is no NBA owner wants to waste millions of dollars going deep into the tax for a team that was 27th last season. My bet is they were betting on getting Zion to make up for the revenue they would be losing in tax but that didnt happen and falling out of the top 3 has forced them to make some difficult decisions.

dont know really how much trading for Smith and waiving him only costing Miami his partial (grandfathered pre cba change) really helps Miami this year but if by sending out jj who has a po is 2020 they get him off the books going into next summer and im also not sure how likely Miami ever was to keep the guaranteed deal of the 13th pick anyway...but i still think the crabbe and 27/31 for smith is most probable because that deal alone puts the Nets in 2 max teratory .
also think okc #21 is in play as well.

I’d agree that Miami might may not have the most to gain from JR contract, especially compared to other teams. Shams mentioned this scenario in an article yesterday so I was just piggybacking off of it.

Miami could position themselves for a 2020 Free Agency by making this a bigger deal than JR for (insert individual player here). If they took on JR AND, say, Tristan, they could clear a max slot next year.

I know this FA class is the one to be in. But if Kawhi, KD, Kyrie, etc. take short term deals, the Heat could be a major player next summer. I have nothing suggest those guys are going to take short deals, just playing out a scenario that I’m sure front offices are thinking about.