BaF Season Three: Offseason thread (Free Agency announcement- page 96)

[bringbackhoffa]

i feel exactly the way k-dot feels- with your 300% increase...doesnt matter to you your about to trade everything for KD

umm i hate KD and would never trade for him. 300% is nothing like i said before Siakam in real life is going to go from making $1.12 million to $18 million and he has never even made an allstar team.

This isn’t about “market value” really for the players. You can’t really compare it to our initial draft when everyone had $1000 to spend and what the market was two years ago.

With a hard cap the players will never truly get what they can get in the real NBA so to compare what an outlier like Siakam will get doesn’t add up to our game.

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins
Jabari
Embiid
AG
Lavine
Gary Harris
Capela
Jokic

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart
Exum
Randle
TJ Warren
Nurkic
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Kyle Anderson
Jordan Clarkson

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

[Context]

BAF is meant to exist for us to have fun playing it. Everyone who's been through the initial draft knew in advance that the initial rules would need improvements with time, and most rule changes would be voted. It would be easier for Bish just to create a new rule and implement it without hearing to GMs' opinion, but he prefers to bring new ideas to public, wait for suggestions and then submit most of new rules to GMs' approval. This is called democracy. I've never seen Bish being authoritarian, and he's the only guy in the game who could be one, since he CREATED ALL THIS and If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be playing BAF now. But he isn't. He's always open to discussions and I'm sure everything he does is for the better of BAF as a whole, even if I don't agree on everything (and I don't!) It would be much easier for him to just not create BAF and spend his time with his family or having fun doing something else, but he's done it for others to have fun, too. And the amount of BAF related work he may have at the moment is insane! Are we really gonna give him extra work to run a game for 30 guys to have fun ALL FOR FREE?

The extension rule isn't perfect. It has problems, but it's better than having no extensions. He's already said he will include K-DOT's idea later. Having an extension rule is a big improvement and adjusting it to K-DOT's idea will be another big improvement. But let's walk step by step and try to enjoy the game as much as possible. Let's vote the extension rule as Bish suggestd and express our agreement or disagreement by being YES or NO. Simple. Majority wins. But let's also be grateful for what Bish has done so far for BAF, let's not forget he's just trying to make it better for all of us.

[Deeeez Knicks]

And sorry for my poor English...

Well said

[Context]

And sorry for my poor English...

f- that I'm sorry that I only speak english

[bishnykfan]

umm i hate KD and would never trade for him. 300% is nothing like i said before Siakam in real life is going to go from making $1.12 million to $18 million and he has never even made an allstar team.

This isn’t about “market value” really for the players. You can’t really compare it to our initial draft when everyone had $1000 to spend and what the market was two years ago.

With a hard cap the players will never truly get what they can get in the real NBA so to compare what an outlier like Siakam will get doesn’t add up to our game.

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins- 20.9%
Jabari- 16.2%
Embiid- 22.1%
AG- 18.9%
Lavine- 17.3%
Gary Harris- 14.0%
Capela- 12.5%
Jokic- 21.5%

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart- 8.9%
Exum- 9.4%
Randle- 7.4%
TJ Warren- 10.8%
Nurkic- 8.5%
Bogdan Bogdanovic- 8.9%
Kyle Anderson- 6.9%
Jordan Clarkson- 10.1%

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

It isn’t about the cap though because we have a hard cap. I put the percentages of each player compared to their teams payroll in your post. Because teams in the NBA can go over the cap they can sign those guys for more than our teams can.

Anderson makes 6.9% of his teams payroll. That is only $70 in our game. Embiid makes the most at 22.1%. That’s $225 for us.

So the highest extension IRL is only the equivalent of a $225 contract for us. Most are considerably lower than that. When you consider the money our players get upfront before the IRL contract extension kicks in, this proposal is very much in line with the real NBA.

[Context]

This isn’t about “market value” really for the players. You can’t really compare it to our initial draft when everyone had $1000 to spend and what the market was two years ago.

With a hard cap the players will never truly get what they can get in the real NBA so to compare what an outlier like Siakam will get doesn’t add up to our game.

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins- 20.9%
Jabari- 16.2%
Embiid- 22.1%
AG- 18.9%
Lavine- 17.3%
Gary Harris- 14.0%
Capela- 12.5%
Jokic- 21.5%

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart- 8.9%
Exum- 9.4%
Randle- 7.4%
TJ Warren- 10.8%
Nurkic- 8.5%
Bogdan Bogdanovic- 8.9%
Kyle Anderson- 6.9%
Jordan Clarkson- 10.1%

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

It isn’t about the cap though because we have a hard cap. I put the percentages of each player compared to their teams payroll in your post. Because teams in the NBA can go over the cap they can sign those guys for more than our teams can.

Anderson makes 6.9% of his teams payroll. That is only $70 in our game. Embiid makes the most at 22.1%. That’s $225 for us.

So the highest extension IRL is only the equivalent of a $225 contract for us. Most are considerably lower than that. When you consider the money our players get upfront before the IRL contract extension kicks in, this proposal is very much in line with the real NBA.

Bish my good brother...just finalize it- you have a family- you cant just do this on your free time (even though i know youre not;well maybe almost )

I quickly see why this debate can go on for a couple of threads

I vote that bish wraps this up asap so he can get to his own sh*t

[bringbackhoffa]

This isn’t about “market value” really for the players. You can’t really compare it to our initial draft when everyone had $1000 to spend and what the market was two years ago.

With a hard cap the players will never truly get what they can get in the real NBA so to compare what an outlier like Siakam will get doesn’t add up to our game.

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins- 20.9%
Jabari- 16.2%
Embiid- 22.1%
AG- 18.9%
Lavine- 17.3%
Gary Harris- 14.0%
Capela- 12.5%
Jokic- 21.5%

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart- 8.9%
Exum- 9.4%
Randle- 7.4%
TJ Warren- 10.8%
Nurkic- 8.5%
Bogdan Bogdanovic- 8.9%
Kyle Anderson- 6.9%
Jordan Clarkson- 10.1%

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

It isn’t about the cap though because we have a hard cap. I put the percentages of each player compared to their teams payroll in your post. Because teams in the NBA can go over the cap they can sign those guys for more than our teams can.

Anderson makes 6.9% of his teams payroll. That is only $70 in our game. Embiid makes the most at 22.1%. That’s $225 for us.

So the highest extension IRL is only the equivalent of a $225 contract for us. Most are considerably lower than that. When you consider the money our players get upfront before the IRL contract extension kicks in, this proposal is very much in line with the real NBA.

i somewhat agree with what you are saying in terms of increasing the salaries right away as opposed to just the extension years kind of makes up for a bit of the shortfall in the long run. however i believe this kind of only applies to the top picks in the draft.

for instance Kyle anderson was the 30th pick
his rookie contract would be
3/13 $39 total

under the proposed extension percentages he would go to
3 yr extension- 13/25/25/25/25/25/25= less than 2.5% of cap on average
2 yr extension- 13/13/21/21/21/21= less than 2% of cap on average
1 yr extension- 13/13/13/17/17= less than 2% of cap on average

or for instance on a bigger disadvantage a second round pick such as Jokic (selected 41st overall)
2/9 $18 total
under the proposed extension percentages he would go to
3 yr extension- 9/18/18/18/18/18
2 yr extension- 9/9/15/15/15
1 yr extension- 9/9/12/12

i just think the percentages have to be revised perhaps on an escalating levels especially for late firsts and second rounders. i know you want to reward "good" drafting but at the same time you got to pay a player some what close to what they would get in free agency. $18 extension for a player like Jokic is too cheap, good drafting should mean you get a skilled player, not that you luck out and get to sign them to a cheap deal as well. You dont see the Denver Nuggets paying him less because they drafted well.

[bishnykfan]

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins- 20.9%
Jabari- 16.2%
Embiid- 22.1%
AG- 18.9%
Lavine- 17.3%
Gary Harris- 14.0%
Capela- 12.5%
Jokic- 21.5%

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart- 8.9%
Exum- 9.4%
Randle- 7.4%
TJ Warren- 10.8%
Nurkic- 8.5%
Bogdan Bogdanovic- 8.9%
Kyle Anderson- 6.9%
Jordan Clarkson- 10.1%

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

It isn’t about the cap though because we have a hard cap. I put the percentages of each player compared to their teams payroll in your post. Because teams in the NBA can go over the cap they can sign those guys for more than our teams can.

Anderson makes 6.9% of his teams payroll. That is only $70 in our game. Embiid makes the most at 22.1%. That’s $225 for us.

So the highest extension IRL is only the equivalent of a $225 contract for us. Most are considerably lower than that. When you consider the money our players get upfront before the IRL contract extension kicks in, this proposal is very much in line with the real NBA.

i somewhat agree with what you are saying in terms of increasing the salaries right away as opposed to just the extension years kind of makes up for a bit of the shortfall in the long run. however i believe this kind of only applies to the top picks in the draft.

for instance Kyle anderson was the 30th pick
his rookie contract would be
3/13 $39 total

under the proposed extension percentages he would go to
3 yr extension- 13/25/25/25/25/25/25= less than 2.5% of cap on average
2 yr extension- 13/13/21/21/21/21= less than 2% of cap on average
1 yr extension- 13/13/13/17/17= less than 2% of cap on average

or for instance on a bigger disadvantage a second round pick such as Jokic (selected 41st overall)
2/9 $18 total
under the proposed extension percentages he would go to
3 yr extension- 9/18/18/18/18/18
2 yr extension- 9/9/15/15/15
1 yr extension- 9/9/12/12

i just think the percentages have to be revised perhaps on an escalating levels especially for late firsts and second rounders. i know you want to reward "good" drafting but at the same time you got to pay a player some what close to what they would get in free agency. $18 extension for a player like Jokic is too cheap, good drafting should mean you get a skilled player, not that you luck out and get to sign them to a cheap deal as well. You dont see the Denver Nuggets paying him less because they drafted well.

I’ll start with Anderson:

His rookie deal now as the #30 pick would be $13/4= $52 total (going by your numbers. I’m at work and not looking up salaries now). His max extension (using your numbers) will give him an additional $116 over three years. 13 25 25 25 25 25 25= 168. 168-52= $116 for those three years or $39/year extra than his rookie contract before an extension. It’s only 3% less than what he is getting IRL.

Secondly Jokic, maybe I didn’t make it clear in my proposal but the way I envisioned it, second round picks would not be eligible for three year extensions. You are buying out two years if you extend a player after his rookie year so you would only get two years added on to his contract. Five years is the most you could keep a second round pick for the way I envisioned it. It isn’t about getting him for cheap it is about getting to keep him beyond the three years we have in place now considering the first year will be a wasted year in the sim.

[bishnykfan]

but it should be a bit closer in valuation if you look at the 2014 NBA draft the following players are making 18-20% of cap or more:
Wiggins- 20.9%
Jabari- 16.2%
Embiid- 22.1%
AG- 18.9%
Lavine- 17.3%
Gary Harris- 14.0%
Capela- 12.5%
Jokic- 21.5%

while the below players are making 10-18% of cap
Smart- 8.9%
Exum- 9.4%
Randle- 7.4%
TJ Warren- 10.8%
Nurkic- 8.5%
Bogdan Bogdanovic- 8.9%
Kyle Anderson- 6.9%
Jordan Clarkson- 10.1%

with the extension salaries proposed only a handful of players will be making close to 10-15% of cap, with the majority making less than 10%. the 2014 draft showed 25% of the players drafted made over 10% of the cap when they came up for extension. i know we have a hard cap but i think some of these valuations especially second round picks are too low. imagine Jokic re-signing for 1% of cap in our game

It isn’t about the cap though because we have a hard cap. I put the percentages of each player compared to their teams payroll in your post. Because teams in the NBA can go over the cap they can sign those guys for more than our teams can.

Anderson makes 6.9% of his teams payroll. That is only $70 in our game. Embiid makes the most at 22.1%. That’s $225 for us.

So the highest extension IRL is only the equivalent of a $225 contract for us. Most are considerably lower than that. When you consider the money our players get upfront before the IRL contract extension kicks in, this proposal is very much in line with the real NBA.

Bish my good brother...just finalize it- you have a family- you cant just do this on your free time (even though i know youre not;well maybe almost )

I quickly see why this debate can go on for a couple of threads

I vote that bish wraps this up asap so he can get to his own sh*t

You’re right. I get it isn’t a perfect proposal and that some people wont like it. I do feel it is better than what we have in place now which is nothing. And I do like a few of the ideas that some people have proposed that I think can be added later on. For now, I’m done crunching numbers trying to show why I think it’s as fair as possible.

Like it vote for it. Don’t like it, vote no. I will be ok however the vote goes but we will have an answer before the draft. Polls close June 12th.

[Smash3]

Pooch, I came up with this because there was a call for it. I put the rule change proposal out there nearly three weeks ago for people to look at. The only one who objected at the time was smash. I don’t care if you have a problem or not because I understand that you will never get 30 people to agree 100% on everything.

I’ve tried listening and understanding your position for the last four days because it is the exact opposite stance that anyone else who has had a problem with the proposal has taken. I have no issue with you voicing your dislike for what I came up with and have told you to simply vote it down and majority will rule.

What I can’t have is a GM who has no interest in the game. That will take away from everyone and the league in general so since you no longer have interest, than yes, I will look to replace you.

Loool at the logic of you can do and say whatever you want but I am taking your team away whenever I want without your consent

It's not about a threat to take the team away, it's about are you in or are you out? There's a reason they do health checks on pilots.

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

[bringbackhoffa]

Loool at the logic of you can do and say whatever you want but I am taking your team away whenever I want without your consent

It's not about a threat to take the team away, it's about are you in or are you out? There's a reason they do health checks on pilots.

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

why did you change your sig back are we not doing the deal...

[Smash3]

It's not about a threat to take the team away, it's about are you in or are you out? There's a reason they do health checks on pilots.

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

why did you change your sig back are we not doing the deal...

Your backtracking in public disgusted me. NO DEAL.

[King of Canada]

Loool at the logic of you can do and say whatever you want but I am taking your team away whenever I want without your consent

It's not about a threat to take the team away, it's about are you in or are you out? There's a reason they do health checks on pilots.

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

I'm just saying that if you have a GM that's stating no interest and is making deals you can have situations where deals aren't made with the proper intent. I'm not talking about Pooch at all. I 100% want him here. He's always active, competitive, posts a lot, and adds a lot of fun to the whole game. I'm pro-Pooch.

[2010]

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

why did you change your sig back are we not doing the deal...

Your backtracking in public disgusted me. NO DEAL.

[2010]

I’m looking for a stretch 4 in the mold of Mirotic or Portis. If anyone has a player of that ilk and is willing to talk trade then scream at me.

[bringbackhoffa]

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

why did you change your sig back are we not doing the deal...

Your backtracking in public disgusted me. NO DEAL.

i was just playing mind games..you know KD is a hornet

[King of Canada]

Stop it, look at the squad Pooch put together this off season he's def in, and he's always one of the most active posters in the game. I think he was even one of the original poster pushing for extensions.

why did you change your sig back are we not doing the deal...

Your backtracking in public disgusted me. NO DEAL.

[King of Canada]

I’m looking for a stretch 4 in the mold of Mirotic or Portis. If anyone has a player of that ilk and is willing to talk trade then scream at me.

Is the actual Mirotic still available?

[2010]

I can’t keep track of this trade frenzy.

[2010]

I’m looking for a stretch 4 in the mold of Mirotic or Portis. If anyone has a player of that ilk and is willing to talk trade then scream at me.

Is the actual Mirotic still available?

I have no idea.