Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Haven't been here in a while but some things on here I just can not understand

It seems that a lot of yall would trade #6 straight up for Spencer Dinwiddie. This is the second year in his career he has shot over 40%, he is not a good defender, not a rebounder, and a below average passer for a point guard. He is a good backup or a crappy starter and ya want to trade the 6th pick for him? What?

Also, what is this obsession with Brandon Clarke. Personally, I think he is someone to steer clear of. I would do one of three things, draft DeAndre Hunter is he is somehow still available (no brainer) and trade Warren and JJ for a PG, trade the 6th pick for Jure holiday if possible, or just draft one of Garland or White if it comes down to that.

Ideal senario to me would be (somehow) drafting Hunter, drafting Cameron Johnson or another backup big or just trading the Bucks pick for a backup big, then signing Darren Collision in FA. We can also trade one of TJ or JJ then by themselves or with the bucks pick for a sixth man.

What do yall think about what I have said?

Dinwiddie's raw fg% is a bit deceiving because he shoots a lot of 3s and he does a decent job getting to the line where he shoots 80%. True shooting % (TS) is a better gauge and that was 58% on pretty high usage which is basically identical to Booker's TS%.

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Defensively he's nothing special but big enough to switch (he has a higher standing reach than Clarke).

I wouldn't trade 6 straight up but I would do a pick swap assuming a better trade isn't on the table. Partly because I just don't see a huge difference in 6 or 17 in this draft. And I really like the PFs that are projected in that range. Plus that would allow them to focus the FA money on a vet PF, they really don't have the cash to sign two starters.

Dinwiddie's far from some home run aquisition but he'd be a big upgrade.

There were times early in the season where the nets coaching staff was choosing him to close games over everyone's favorite max FA target Russell.
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If I knew we could get Grant Williams (or Brandon Clarke) at 17 I'd do it for sure. Maybe for PJ Washington. But if those guys are all gone I wouldn't want the choices. Might almost want to go for that backup C like Goga or maybe even Kabengele but I am not sure it makes a ton of sense to get a backup C.

I wouldn't want to end up with Rui or something...just looking at Ringer's mock his player comps scare me a bit..even though they are decent players...

SHADES OF: The Morris twins, Jabari Parker, washed Carmelo Anthony

Lol yeah that's honestly the meanest player comparisons I've ever seen.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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Not a surprise. I'd bet they agree to a deal before he hits the market. When both side have motivation to get something done it usually happens.

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[bwgood77]

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How would people rank their preference here?

I think there are two tiers...Collison/Beverley and Joseph/McConnell.

I would probably, if healthy, lean Beverley for our team due to his intensity and personality and being a tone setter. Both of Collison and Beverley shoot around 40% from 3 and have above avg efficiency overall. Both also have close to a 4/1 ast/to ratio so both are smart players with the ball and solid shooters. Beverley is the better defender but Collison is fine on that end...at least neutral.

One edge Collison has other than shooting his he is more of a playmaker than the others so he would likely get others more involved.

I do feel there might be a better chance the Clips keep Beverley (if they can)..despite having the three rookies and Lou, especially if they only get one max guy (or none).

Joseph is actually the best defender of the bunch but is not quite as good shooting. I have always loved TJ being an AZ guy but he's at the bottom. Not much of a shooter (ok % from 3 but on very low volume).

Comparison http://bkref.com/tiny/uUPuQ

So I'd probably go with::

Beverley/Collison (slightly lean Beverley) - toss up pros and cons for both...Bev..better D, tone setter, but injury prone; Collison, better shooter, passer, health

Joseph/McConnell (slightly lean Joseph) - Joseph solid defender, 4/1 ast/to ratio, ok shooter....McConnell 3/1 ast/to ratio, ok defender, scrappy

[bwgood77]

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Not a surprise. I'd bet they agree to a deal before he hits the market. When both side have motivation to get something done it usually happens.

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You think they'd do it if it eats into cap space being that his hold is only $9.6? If we agree to say 14, that's throwing $4.4 million of cap space down the drain isn't it? Unless we just agree in principle and sign after signing others.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Not a surprise. I'd bet they agree to a deal before he hits the market. When both side have motivation to get something done it usually happens.

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You think they'd do it if it eats into cap space being that his hold is only $9.6? If we agree to say 14, that's throwing $4.4 million of cap space down the drain isn't it? Unless we just agree in principle and sign after signing others.

That's one of the main reasons you agree to the deal ahead of time, if they do he'll be the last person actually sign which preserves his cap space. If they let him hit the market I'm pretty sure the cap hold spikes to the offer sheet number the minute that's signed and at that point the only options are match or let go.

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How would people rank their preference here?

I think there are two tiers...Collison/Beverley and Joseph/McConnell.

I would probably, if healthy, lean Beverley for our team due to his intensity and personality and being a tone setter. Both of Collison and Beverley shoot around 40% from 3 and have above avg efficiency overall. Both also have close to a 4/1 ast/to ratio so both are smart players with the ball and solid shooters. Beverley is the better defender but Collison is fine on that end...at least neutral.

One edge Collison has other than shooting his he is more of a playmaker than the others so he would likely get others more involved.

I do feel there might be a better chance the Clips keep Beverley (if they can)..despite having the three rookies and Lou, especially if they only get one max guy (or none).

Joseph is actually the best defender of the bunch but is not quite as good shooting. I have always loved TJ being an AZ guy but he's at the bottom. Not much of a shooter (ok % from 3 but on very low volume).

Comparison http://bkref.com/tiny/uUPuQ

So I'd probably go with::

Beverley/Collison (slightly lean Beverley) - toss up pros and cons for both...Bev..better D, tone setter, but injury prone; Collison, better shooter, passer, health

Joseph/McConnell (slightly lean Joseph) - Joseph solid defender, 4/1 ast/to ratio, ok shooter....McConnell 3/1 ast/to ratio, ok defender, scrappy

I am a big fan of Collison and I think he would be the best fit out of any PG other than a trade for Jrue Holiday. Collision is a good shooter, passer, and a good defender. Doesn't excel in any one thing but is just all around good.

Next I would have Beverley and Joseph slightly ahead of McConnell who I would not want to have as a starting PG. I would take Tyler Johnson over McConnell starting because it is not like he is bad, just overpaid.

[shrink]

I had a question on the Trade Board go unanswered, but perhaps I should ask you guys specifically. I am secretly rooting for the Suns, but I haven’t followed very closely since the Trade Deadline, so I was curious:

Has the front office said anything about how they intend to use their cap space this season?

Are they expecting a big free agent? Would they package it in a trade? Do they have cap space plans for next year?

[BobbieL]

Let the AD Dance begin:

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[LukasBMW]

An AD trade should mean Jrue might be available and it also increases the chances Randle walks.

Pels take Zion 1st.
Pels trade AD to the Knicks for #3, Smith Jr, Knox, and future picks
Pels trade Jrue to the Suns for #6, Bumpy, and TJ.

Pels roll out a full rebuild and get some pretty legit pieces.

I wonder if we can get them to trad Jrue for #6, Bumpy, and JJ instead of TJ. I'd even throw in the Bucks pick.

Then we sign Randle.

I'd love to roll out:

Jrue/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre
TJ/Randle
Ayton/Holmes

That's perfect for today's NBA. We can adjust the lineup to go big or small depending on the situation.

[jcsunsfan]

An AD trade should mean Jrue might be available and it also increases the chances Randle walks.

Pels take Zion 1st.
Pels trade AD to the Knicks for #3, Smith Jr, Knox, and future picks
Pels trade Jrue to the Suns for #6, Bumpy, and TJ.

Pels roll out a full rebuild and get some pretty legit pieces.

I wonder if we can get them to trad Jrue for #6, Bumpy, and JJ instead of TJ. I'd even throw in the Bucks pick.

Then we sign Randle.

I'd love to roll out:

Jrue/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre
TJ/Randle
Ayton/Holmes

That's perfect for today's NBA. We can adjust the lineup to go big or small depending on the situation.

Jrue is the perfect fit for this team.

[King4Day]

I had a question on the Trade Board go unanswered, but perhaps I should ask you guys specifically. I am secretly rooting for the Suns, but I haven’t followed very closely since the Trade Deadline, so I was curious:

Has the front office said anything about how they intend to use their cap space this season?

Are they expecting a big free agent? Would they package it in a trade? Do they have cap space plans for next year?

It's sounding more and more like they'll spend it on a guard like Collison, Beverly, Joseph, or McConnell, OR a PF like Randle.
This is just based on the most recent speculation from a Suns beatwriter.

I'm sure if the ability to acquire someone like Kemba (probably no chance) comes up, we can use a sign and trade along with cap/picks to make the numbers work.

Suns fans really like Jrue Holiday (probably the most realistic trade option if he gets put on the market).

I expect it to be a quietly noisy offseason for Phoenix. A lot of moves will be made, but they won't be sexy, headline making, moves.

[bwgood77]

A market is forming for Nets All-Star and restricted free agent D’Angelo Russell: Utah, Orlando, Minnesota and Indiana are among the teams expected to show an interest aside from Brooklyn, sources said.

https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/

[BobbieL]

I had a question on the Trade Board go unanswered, but perhaps I should ask you guys specifically. I am secretly rooting for the Suns, but I haven’t followed very closely since the Trade Deadline, so I was curious:

Has the front office said anything about how they intend to use their cap space this season?

Are they expecting a big free agent? Would they package it in a trade? Do they have cap space plans for next year?

It's sounding more and more like they'll spend it on a guard like Collison, Beverly, Joseph, or McConnell, OR a PF like Randle.
This is just based on the most recent speculation from a Suns beatwriter.

I'm sure if the ability to acquire someone like Kemba (probably no chance) comes up, we can use a sign and trade along with cap/picks to make the numbers work.

Suns fans really like Jrue Holiday (probably the most realistic trade option if he gets put on the market).

I expect it to be a quietly noisy offseason for Phoenix. A lot of moves will be made, but they won't be sexy, headline making, moves.

Just as long as they are better moves than the summer of 2010 - I think I will be happy. But I do expect more smaller moves as well. The greatest growth in the team will come from player continuity and the improvement of Ayton Booker Bridges et al.

That’s why if the moves are like Aminu or Young at PF and Bev Collison, maybe Rubio at guard, I will be okay ( though Rubio and his shot are not ideal - I realize his value)

[bwgood77]

I had a question on the Trade Board go unanswered, but perhaps I should ask you guys specifically. I am secretly rooting for the Suns, but I haven’t followed very closely since the Trade Deadline, so I was curious:

Has the front office said anything about how they intend to use their cap space this season?

Are they expecting a big free agent? Would they package it in a trade? Do they have cap space plans for next year?

It's sounding more and more like they'll spend it on a guard like Collison, Beverly, Joseph, or McConnell, OR a PF like Randle.
This is just based on the most recent speculation from a Suns beatwriter.

I'm sure if the ability to acquire someone like Kemba (probably no chance) comes up, we can use a sign and trade along with cap/picks to make the numbers work.

Suns fans really like Jrue Holiday (probably the most realistic trade option if he gets put on the market).

I expect it to be a quietly noisy offseason for Phoenix. A lot of moves will be made, but they won't be sexy, headline making, moves.

Just as long as they are better moves than the summer of 2010 - I think I will be happy. But I do expect more smaller moves as well. The greatest growth in the team will come from player continuity and the improvement of Ayton Booker Bridges et al.

That’s why if the moves are like Aminu or Young at PF and Bev Collison, maybe Rubio at guard, I will be okay ( though Rubio and his shot are not ideal - I realize his value)

Funny I just read Gina's mailbag from last week and saw you mention some of those guys and she brought up Rubio.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

A market is forming for Nets All-Star and restricted free agent D’Angelo Russell: Utah, Orlando, Minnesota and Indiana are among the teams expected to show an interest aside from Brooklyn, sources said.

https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/

Have to note that each of these teams is a better fit for D'Angelo than we are.

I really do think we need to focus on adding depth. Don't just add a PG; add a backup SG as well. Add a PF AND a solid 4/5. Keep one of TJ or JJ, as well as Oubre (and don't play JJ unless he can give you positive minutes). We need to keep guys who can't cut it off the court far more than we need more big scorers out there. Between Booker, Oubre, Ayton and [TJ?], we have enough scoring power when we're at full strength. In fact, I'd say we'd struggle to give everyone the shots they need if we were to add Russell.

... Anyone else see that report that Memphis isn't locked in on Morant at #2? Not sure I believe it, but (1) how desperate are they to move on from Conley? Can he be had cheap? (2) NYK would have a tough time adding Morant; could/would/should we move up to 2 or 3 for him? Not really looking for answers to these questions. Just interested in seeing what happens.

[King4Day]

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

EDIT: Didn't realize this was from yesterday. While I'm at posting old stuff:

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[BobbieL]

It's sounding more and more like they'll spend it on a guard like Collison, Beverly, Joseph, or McConnell, OR a PF like Randle.
This is just based on the most recent speculation from a Suns beatwriter.

I'm sure if the ability to acquire someone like Kemba (probably no chance) comes up, we can use a sign and trade along with cap/picks to make the numbers work.

Suns fans really like Jrue Holiday (probably the most realistic trade option if he gets put on the market).

I expect it to be a quietly noisy offseason for Phoenix. A lot of moves will be made, but they won't be sexy, headline making, moves.

Just as long as they are better moves than the summer of 2010 - I think I will be happy. But I do expect more smaller moves as well. The greatest growth in the team will come from player continuity and the improvement of Ayton Booker Bridges et al.

That’s why if the moves are like Aminu or Young at PF and Bev Collison, maybe Rubio at guard, I will be okay ( though Rubio and his shot are not ideal - I realize his value)

Funny I just read Gina's mailbag from last week and saw you mention some of those guys and she brought up Rubio.

Just as long as you know I was being facetious with the "Durant to Phoenix!" line

I am trying to keep the names realistic as well as keeping my hopes probably down for free agency. Though I do think these players will help the Suns. Yes, she threw in Rubio - and I was on that train a LONG time but his shot , on a team without shooters, not sure the right fit.

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

Dinwiddie + 17 + 27 for 6 + Warren

[BobbieL]

Gambo is saying the 6th pick is not for sell for the right PG on his radio show. But he added the caveat they are not looking at high priced veteran point guards.

So his tweet was "all semantics" - its not a NO its a "yes, but.." type tweet. And as we have pointed out - he is talking about trading the 6th pick for Paul, Lowry, Conley. So his tweet should have been more detailed.


Burns being reasonable...