Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[TASTIC]

Dinwiddie's the guy I wanted all of last season, so if they can somehow get him for 6 and filler, that's a MASSIVE win.

He plays HARD and is a clutch player who gets to the line at will. Plus over the last 2 seasons since he's started getting consistent minutes, he has a near 3:1 assist/TO ratio. At 6'6" he'd also be an ideal off-guard when Point Book is in action and he's use to playing next to a ball-dominant guard in Russell.

I think he is a MUCH better fit than D-Lo and at probably half the price.

Also, Sean Marks and James Jones were teammates on the Suns in 2007...So hopefully they got on well!

[bwgood77]

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How would people rank their preference here?

I think there are two tiers...Collison/Beverley and Joseph/McConnell.

I would probably, if healthy, lean Beverley for our team due to his intensity and personality and being a tone setter. Both of Collison and Beverley shoot around 40% from 3 and have above avg efficiency overall. Both also have close to a 4/1 ast/to ratio so both are smart players with the ball and solid shooters. Beverley is the better defender but Collison is fine on that end...at least neutral.

One edge Collison has other than shooting his he is more of a playmaker than the others so he would likely get others more involved.

I do feel there might be a better chance the Clips keep Beverley (if they can)..despite having the three rookies and Lou, especially if they only get one max guy (or none).

Joseph is actually the best defender of the bunch but is not quite as good shooting. I have always loved TJ being an AZ guy but he's at the bottom. Not much of a shooter (ok % from 3 but on very low volume).

Comparison http://bkref.com/tiny/uUPuQ

So I'd probably go with::

Beverley/Collison (slightly lean Beverley) - toss up pros and cons for both...Bev..better D, tone setter, but injury prone; Collison, better shooter, passer, health

Joseph/McConnell (slightly lean Joseph) - Joseph solid defender, 4/1 ast/to ratio, ok shooter....McConnell 3/1 ast/to ratio, ok defender, scrappy

Its Gambo, so i dont buy it one bit. Yeah, im sure its probably what was said to him by his FO source (Probably Jones or Sarver himself), but honestly, what else are they supposed to say? The moment you tell people the #6 is available and how you were looking to trade it for Lonzo Ball, the value becomes severely diminished.

As for the players, i chuckle a bit. Look, i like TJ and all, He would be our 3rd TJ on the team, but he isnt starting PG material. So i question his name on the list. Once i question one name on the list, i have to question the list as a whole.

My PatBev love is real and he would be at the top of my list (Out of those names). Could also be had for the cheapest (Besides McConnell because he isnt a starting PG). Only difficult thing is would he want to be here, or play for a playoff contender, which im sure many will want him.

I dont really care about Collison or CoJo. I question why Indiana would be looking elsewhere for someone else to take over the reigns. Joseph is still a young buck while Collison is the old dog. Now Bowers did draft Collison and loves the kid, so i think our FO might have a preference of the two, but im either or at this point and would rather trade for a better PG than to grab one of these two.

I never believe it, but of course Bobbie said that Gambo on the radio specified he meant we were not shopping it for Conley, Paul or Lowry but maybe for younger guys or something along those lines. They all sound like his opinions though.

And that list is only a bunch of people we have thrown around for months....had polls months ago on those guys....except for maybe McConnell.

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[Kerrsed]

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

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I'd do that trade, but for as weak as this draft supposedly is, i doubt a team will be willing to give up a 10-12 pick for #17 and #32.

Id do the trade and just draft from there. #17 and #32 could easily land us two of:

Okeke/Cameron Johnson/Bazley/Windler/Jerome/Ponds

[rcc8884]

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It is Colin Cowherd who is on the same level as Stephen A Smith at reporting stuff

Although it would help us get Dinwiddie if D'lo returned so I am hoping for that although I'm not as high on trading 6 for 17 and Dinwiddie as most of you guys are

[jcsunsfan]

The Nets are high on Okobo they say. The Suns have been talking up Melton this summer. There just seems to be a lot of rumbling about the Suns and Nets--on both sides. Not a coincidence.

[bwgood77]

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It is Colin Cowherd who is on the same level as Stephen A Smith at reporting stuff

Although it would help us get Dinwiddie if D'lo returned so I am hoping for that although I'm not as high on trading 6 for 17 and Dinwiddie as most of you guys are

If that level is "make stuff up", yes.

[rcc8884]

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I think this was discussed but would people be OK with Dinwiddie/17 for 6 & Jackson?

Then we can use the remaining cap on a PF. The different we'd pay for the 6th pick and 17 probably makes up the difference in Jackson and Spencer's salary.

EDIT: Didn't realize this was from yesterday. While I'm at posting old stuff:

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I'd do that trade, but for as weak as this draft supposedly is, i doubt a team will be willing to give up a 10-12 pick for #17 and #32.

Id do the trade and just draft from there. #17 and #32 could easily land us two of:

Okeke/Cameron Johnson/Bazley/Windler/Jerome/Ponds

Same, I would rather keep 17 and take a Cam Johnson/Okeke/Grant Williams(?)

Then use 32 on a backup SG like Alexander-Walker who I think in heavily underrated and would be a terrific role player on any team

[bwgood77]

I'll be pretty surprised if Holiday goes anywhere, barring a crazy good offer from someone.

The Pelicans are on stable footing right now: An All-Star-type talent in Jrue Holiday signed long-term, cap flexibility, a fortified front office … and, most importantly, the No. 1 overall pick to select Zion Williamson. The potential faces of the franchise, Williamson and Holiday, could set Griffin’s era in motion in a positive light. With or without Davis, the Pelicans are building a sustainable model.

Griffin and Holiday spent time with each other in Los Angeles as well, league sources said, as Griffin continues to build strong rapports throughout his roster. Holiday is a cornerstone for the Pelicans, a two-way guard who has shouldered a leadership role for the franchise.

https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/

[bwoolf2]

I'll be pretty surprised if Holiday goes anywhere, barring a crazy good offer from someone.

The Pelicans are on stable footing right now: An All-Star-type talent in Jrue Holiday signed long-term, cap flexibility, a fortified front office … and, most importantly, the No. 1 overall pick to select Zion Williamson. The potential faces of the franchise, Williamson and Holiday, could set Griffin’s era in motion in a positive light. With or without Davis, the Pelicans are building a sustainable model.

Griffin and Holiday spent time with each other in Los Angeles as well, league sources said, as Griffin continues to build strong rapports throughout his roster. Holiday is a cornerstone for the Pelicans, a two-way guard who has shouldered a leadership role for the franchise.

https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/

Holiday is not going anywhere, I really do think the best fit is Dinwiddie and if Kyrie goes to Brooklyn he will be available and although he is on a good contract they will be looking to move it. Best fit next to Booker of anyone readily available and that makes us better right away. No draft prospects to that imo... they are all a few years away

[bwgood77]

I miss when azcentral used to be a better read with at least their own perspective on what they may have gleaned from Suns sources...but this is pathetic...just posting a bunch of excerpts from fan blogs and tweets.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2019/06/04/spencer-dinwiddie-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-brooklyn-nets-chatter/1339360001/

[Ghost of Kleine]

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?s=09 . Pretty cool that he'd want to be here!

I think we need to try and target more players and prospects that have stated their interest in playing for us: Brandon Clarke, Zylan Cheatham, Now Dinwiddie too. ( If he is actually talking about us.....that is).

[Crives]

Would be awesome If we could get Dinwiddie and Clarke somehow with #6 + Milwaukee 1st + #32 + Warren.

[Crives]

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?s=09 . Pretty cool that he'd want to be here!

I think we need to try and target more players and prospects that have stated their interest in playing for us: Brandon Clarke, Zylan Cheatham, Now Dinwiddie too. ( If he is actually talking about us.....that is).

I think that’s just sreekar

[Kerrsed]

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?s=09 . Pretty cool that he'd want to be here!

I think we need to try and target more players and prospects that have stated their interest in playing for us: Brandon Clarke, Zylan Cheatham, Now Dinwiddie too. ( If he is actually talking about us.....that is).

I see you must be new to Suns Reddit.

Thats fake as hell.

[lilfishi22]

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Not a surprise. I'd bet they agree to a deal before he hits the market. When both side have motivation to get something done it usually happens.

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You think they'd do it if it eats into cap space being that his hold is only $9.6? If we agree to say 14, that's throwing $4.4 million of cap space down the drain isn't it? Unless we just agree in principle and sign after signing others.

I think they are basically just putting it out there to kind of scare off other teams in free agency. The last thing we want is some random team out of nowhere offering a fat deal to Oubre.

I do have a question regarding restricted free agency though, if say Oubre gets an offer for $2m a year more than what we have agreed in principle with him, do we only have to match it if Oubre signs that other offer?

[Blonde]

Last time Dinwiddie was a starter he shot 39% from the field, 33% from 3, and had a lower EFG% than Lonzo Ball. Oh and he doesn't play much D and is just an average passer at his position. Crazy how hyped people are getting over this guy. I'll take him as an upgrade but he's pretty far down my list of ideal PGs for this team.

[lilfishi22]

Would be awesome If we could get Dinwiddie and Clarke somehow with #6 + Milwaukee 1st + #32 + Warren.

I think that would be a solid off season. You need value guys like Dinwiddie

Dinwiddie/TJo/Melton
Booker/Melton/Bridges
Bridges/Oubre
Oubre/Clarke
Ayton/Holmes?

[bwgood77]

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?s=09 . Pretty cool that he'd want to be here!

I think we need to try and target more players and prospects that have stated their interest in playing for us: Brandon Clarke, Zylan Cheatham, Now Dinwiddie too. ( If he is actually talking about us.....that is).

Probably better to verify stuff like that when it looks like a photoshop image....a bad one at that.

[bwgood77]

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Not a surprise. I'd bet they agree to a deal before he hits the market. When both side have motivation to get something done it usually happens.

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You think they'd do it if it eats into cap space being that his hold is only $9.6? If we agree to say 14, that's throwing $4.4 million of cap space down the drain isn't it? Unless we just agree in principle and sign after signing others.

I think they are basically just putting it out there to kind of scare off other teams in free agency. The last thing we want is some random team out of nowhere offering a fat deal to Oubre.

I do have a question regarding restricted free agency though, if say Oubre gets an offer for $2m a year more than what we have agreed in principle with him, do we only have to match it if Oubre signs that other offer?

As usual, I read Shams article and that tweet isn't exactly what the article said. It was pure speculation...something more along the lines of "Expect the Suns to make keeping Oubre a top option....he could be an option for other teams if they strike out on the big fish"

BSoTS might drive up Oubre's value themselves.

Edit: Here is exactly what it said...

Phoenix Suns

Expect restricted free agent Kelly Oubre Jr. to emerge as a priority for the Suns entering July 1. Oubre averaged 20.2 points per game in 12 starts for the Suns during their best stretch of the season to close 2018-19. If Oubre enters the market, he’s a prime option for teams with cap space that strike out on their first-tier targets.

https://theathletic.com/1006765/2019/06/04/charanias-inside-pass-all-eyes-on-davis-and-pelicans-future-as-their-talks-begin-to-take-shape-plus-more-league-notes/