2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[cjbulls]

You can do that for a lot of prospects.... I guess maybe not Felicio lol

Find me a prospect with a better single-game tape showing a little bit of everything. I just found it impressive. He saved it all for one game.

Bunch of open threes, monster block, up and under vs Kabengele, multiple aggressive attacks with an and1, an aggressive rip leading to a fast break look away pull up three, perfectly executed pick and roll pull up, dribble handoff quick release nba 3, game winner.

But don't forget, he could never replicate that in the right environment. Keep watching those box scores!

Plenty of players had, have talent and never put it together. But they could at least do it college. He will likely have the worst ever stats for a top 10 pick.

And yet he is still on every team's board from 3 to 10 and will be taken top 10. Hmmmmm

[drosereturn]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

14,20,22 straight up.

[TheSuzerain]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

14,20,22 straight up.

More like 14, 20 or 22, and 51.

[dimez]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

14,20,22 straight up.

We can get one of Clarke, Rui, Goga, Bol, Little or NAW at
14.

[WindyCityBorn]

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Find me a prospect with a better single-game tape showing a little bit of everything. I just found it impressive. He saved it all for one game.

Bunch of open threes, monster block, up and under vs Kabengele, multiple aggressive attacks with an and1, an aggressive rip leading to a fast break look away pull up three, perfectly executed pick and roll pull up, dribble handoff quick release nba 3, game winner.

But don't forget, he could never replicate that in the right environment. Keep watching those box scores!

Plenty of players had, have talent and never put it together. But they could at least do it college. He will likely have the worst ever stats for a top 10 pick.

And yet he is still on every team's board from 3 to 10 and will be taken top 10. Hmmmmm

Because it is a weak draft. Not because he performed like a top 10 pick.

[drosereturn]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

14,20,22 straight up.

We can get one of Clarke, Rui, Goga, Bol, Little or NAW at
14.

Dream is to get NAW, Bol, Rui and rest of those guys.
Honestly, I dont see talent discrepancy after the Hunter/Culver range. Quanity trumps quality from #7 range.
Hell, I would trade literally anyone if the Bulls could nab all 6 of them. They are all rock solid tier 2/3 prospects.

[MeloRoseNoah]

Don't want to deal with the Celtics and Ainge. He's going to waste those picks on busts anyway, so no worries there.

Also, I'm not convinced that guys picked from #14 or lower are even going to make a NBA roster.

[Ferulci]

cjbulls, are you a relative of Cam Reddish by any chance ?
The constant and extreme bias you're showing towards him is hilarious. I haven't seen that since posters like lilojmayo or Ben Simmons.

[WindyCityBorn]

Take the BPA at 7 and roll with it. **** trading down for multiple lesser prospects. We don’t need a bunch of projects. We have good young talent.

[cjbulls]

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Plenty of players had, have talent and never put it together. But they could at least do it college. He will likely have the worst ever stats for a top 10 pick.

And yet he is still on every team's board from 3 to 10 and will be taken top 10. Hmmmmm

Because it is a weak draft. Not because he performed like a top 10 pick.

That is very fair. But then you're saying the same thing about Hunter and Culver. They all would have been in the 9-13 range last year. Hunter is close to the bizarro Reddish.

[cjbulls]

cjbulls, are you a relative of Cam Reddish by any chance ?
The constant and extreme bias you're showing towards him is hilarious. I haven't seen that since posters like lilojmayo or Ben Simmons.

The funny thing is I have him 7th or 8th, probably 8th (I have a hard time with Culver and his fit on the Bulls). I think the opposite of your statement is true. People act like Reddish shot their dog. Consistently saying he's a bust, he's a powerball ticket, etc. and it's just silly. Reddish represents the biggest gap here between actual real-life prospect value and perceived value on this board. I'd be doing the same if people were saying White is a bum, or Hunter has a low floor, etc.

I believe I was the first to come out harshly against Bol Bol when people were calling him the next superstar, he should be drafted over Morant, etc. I had to call out the differentiation between prospect value and perceived board value.

[ImSlower]

Regarding negativity toward Reddish, I think plenty of Bulls fans are likely in my boat. We may be casual NCAA viewers until March, who saw a whole lot of Duke games because of national broadcasts and Zion being completely dominant and incredibly entertaining. And game after game kept hearing about Duke's big 3, then seeing Reddish brick open 3s, fail weak dribble drives, disappear for entire halves, and generally play much like his garbage stats. I'd probably bag on some of the other top 10 guys more if I had seen ten or fifteen games where they looked like the 6th best player on their team night in, night out.

For instance, I genuinely didnt catch a whole Virginia game until tourney season. Hunter probably has his warts, but his regular season stats look fine, and it's easier to cherry pick one good game when its the very last one of the year.

[nomorezorro]

Keep watching those box scores!

keep watching the limited amount of footage in which cam reddish looks good and ignoring the massive amount of footage in which he looks terrible!

you could make a really good looking highlight reel of kris dunn's time on the bulls. when the ball is going in the hoop, he looks really good! and it's not like, a super rare occurrence when he does have a good game!

however, anyone who has actually watched him play on the bulls knows that it still happens very infrequently, and that the overwhelming majority of the time he can't score and is as a result not a particularly useful player. a player is not his best moments. he is who he is on average.

i'm not saying reddish is worthless as a prospect. but saying "he'll be good if he can become more consistent!" is significantly downplaying what a significant uphill battle he's facing to be a worthwhile player on the nba level. he has to get much better at scoring the ball, and he is starting from a historically low point for a prospect being considered in the top 10.

even if he improves, it's way more likely that he goes from "incredibly bad" to "unremarkable" rather than "legitimately good"

[bigworld2017]

Trading #7 to the Celtics for additional picks seems like easily the best scenario to me. They badly need to consolidate and we need more talent.

I'm with you. Although I like Hunter and Garland I have a feeling both will be gone by #7. I could live with Culver or White, but if they are all that's left when we pick I'd rather see them trade down. I'd take two of their picks for our #7 and filler. Not our #38 necessarily. Maybe a 2nd next year. I'd like to keep #38. Several players intrigue me that might be available there. With 2 of the Celtics picks I'd draft Bitadze and Bazley and hope to pick up Edwards at #38. If he's not there then Bone. If we did that I'd consider our draft an outstanding success.

[cjbulls]

Keep watching those box scores!

keep watching the limited amount of footage in which cam reddish looks good and ignoring the massive amount of footage in which he looks terrible!

you could make a really good looking highlight reel of kris dunn's time on the bulls. when the ball is going in the hoop, he looks really good! and it's not like, a super rare occurrence when he does have a good game!

however, anyone who has actually watched him play on the bulls knows that it still happens very infrequently, and that the overwhelming majority of the time he can't score and is as a result not a particularly useful player. a player is not his best moments. he is who he is on average.

i'm not saying reddish is worthless as a prospect. but saying "he'll be good if he can become more consistent!" is significantly downplaying what a significant uphill battle he's facing to be a worthwhile player on the nba level. he has to get much better at scoring the ball, and he is starting from a historically low point for a prospect being considered in the top 10.

even if he improves, it's way more likely that he goes from "incredibly bad" to "unremarkable" rather than "legitimately good"

Ferluci, this is exactly the type of over-the-top negative assessment that I’m talking about. This comment makes sense for a second round pick. Perfect example. Thanks, Zorro.

[kulaz3000]

cjbulls, are you a relative of Cam Reddish by any chance ?
The constant and extreme bias you're showing towards him is hilarious. I haven't seen that since posters like lilojmayo or Ben Simmons.

The funny thing is I have him 7th or 8th, probably 8th (I have a hard time with Culver and his fit on the Bulls). I think the opposite of your statement is true. People act like Reddish shot their dog. Consistently saying he's a bust, he's a powerball ticket, etc. and it's just silly. Reddish represents the biggest gap here between actual real-life prospect value and perceived value on this board. I'd be doing the same if people were saying White is a bum, or Hunter has a low floor, etc.

Here is the thing, he is one of the best prospects in terms of glimpses of skill he has shown, and in terms of athletic and physical attributes as a player, HOWEVER, he has had one of the worst productive freshman season for a projected lottery pick in a very very very long time. Due to this, it shouldn't be surprising for people to be sceptical about him as a prospect.

That all said though, he is enough of a potential player that he is worth taking a gamble with a lottery pick, I just personally don't think he will eventuate to much, simply because he hasn't consistently shown enough aggression in his game, and for a player who really isn't the greatest shooter, despite his stroke, at best he will be more of a volume scorer and due to his lack of aggression I just don't see it happening.

[PaKii94]

Find me a prospect with a better single-game tape showing a little bit of everything. I just found it impressive. He saved it all for one game.

Bunch of open threes, monster block, up and under vs Kabengele, multiple aggressive attacks with an and1, an aggressive rip leading to a fast break look away pull up three, perfectly executed pick and roll pull up, dribble handoff quick release nba 3, game winner.

But don't forget, he could never replicate that in the right environment. Keep watching those box scores!

Plenty of players had, have talent and never put it together. But they could at least do it college. He will likely have the worst ever stats for a top 10 pick.

And yet he is still on every team's board from 3 to 10 and will be taken top 10. Hmmmmm

If you really want to play that game...

We have future point gawd in Dunn and a versatile point forward in Denzel on the bench. Look at these ONE game highlights! They show everything! They just need the right environment to put it all together!

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

[PaKii94]

Keep watching those box scores!

keep watching the limited amount of footage in which cam reddish looks good and ignoring the massive amount of footage in which he looks terrible!

you could make a really good looking highlight reel of kris dunn's time on the bulls. when the ball is going in the hoop, he looks really good! and it's not like, a super rare occurrence when he does have a good game!

however, anyone who has actually watched him play on the bulls knows that it still happens very infrequently, and that the overwhelming majority of the time he can't score and is as a result not a particularly useful player. a player is not his best moments. he is who he is on average.

i'm not saying reddish is worthless as a prospect. but saying "he'll be good if he can become more consistent!" is significantly downplaying what a significant uphill battle he's facing to be a worthwhile player on the nba level. he has to get much better at scoring the ball, and he is starting from a historically low point for a prospect being considered in the top 10.

even if he improves, it's way more likely that he goes from "incredibly bad" to "unremarkable" rather than "legitimately good"

I had the same Dunn thought

[bearadonisdna]

The bad thing about this board is that ppl are more than willing to eat crow.
Why I have to imagine it's terrible, but like in professional sports sometimes there's no accountability.

[cjbulls]

cjbulls, are you a relative of Cam Reddish by any chance ?
The constant and extreme bias you're showing towards him is hilarious. I haven't seen that since posters like lilojmayo or Ben Simmons.

The funny thing is I have him 7th or 8th, probably 8th (I have a hard time with Culver and his fit on the Bulls). I think the opposite of your statement is true. People act like Reddish shot their dog. Consistently saying he's a bust, he's a powerball ticket, etc. and it's just silly. Reddish represents the biggest gap here between actual real-life prospect value and perceived value on this board. I'd be doing the same if people were saying White is a bum, or Hunter has a low floor, etc.

Here is the thing, he is one of the best prospects in terms of glimpses of skill he has shown, and in terms of athletic and physical attributes as a player, HOWEVER, he has had one of the worst productive freshman season for a projected lottery pick in a very very very long time. Due to this, it shouldn't be surprising for people to be sceptical about him as a prospect.

That all said though, he is enough of a potential player that he is worth taking a gamble with a lottery pick, I just personally don't think he will eventuate to much, simply because he hasn't consistently shown enough aggression in his game, and for a player who really isn't the greatest shooter, despite his stroke, at best he will be more of a volume scorer and due to his lack of aggression I just don't see it happening.

I didn’t this kind of nuanced analysis was allowed here on the Draft Board. We aren’t too far off in our view. I have his floor higher than you and think his 3pt shooting could reach very good (38-40% on volume). But your concerns about efficiency and aggressiveness are very real. Again, I expect some people to be dismissive, I just push back against the over-the-top negativity when there is a lot to consider in his unique evaluation.