2019 - 2021 Free-Agents

[Quake Griffin]

lol drop the thirsty thing dude, I'm not sure how old you are, but in the corporate world, specially in multi million companies like these, being "thirsty" for adding a valuable asset will never be seen as a bad thing. No way Durant feels any sort of way about the Clippers going after Kawhi. Specially cause they've been showing him the same kind of love all year.

Never?

[QRich3]

Never?

Thinking of some particular example?

I just can't see Warren Buffet worried he'd be seen as thirsty when he started buying Apple stock massively. Or to put a better fitting, more popular example, I don't see Disney being ashamed people saw them as needy all these years they've been pursuing Fox' rights of Marvel characters.

Obviously, NBA players being people and not just assets makes things slightly different, but this "being needy" thing is a problem for a teenager trying to get laid, not for an adult in a work environment. Plus, with the addition of Lee Jenkins last summer and how deliberate they've been in doing stuff like this, I don't have a doubt they spent many hours profiling and they're certain it'll help them with these two particular people.

Doubt Ballmer and them are worried at all about perception, and neither am I tbh.

[Galloisdaman]

I want to play devils advocate for a bit. Lets say KL signs 2 year deal in Toronto. KD signs max with GS. Butler signs max with Philly. Irving signs with Lebron. AD gets traded to Boston. Kemba signs with Charlotte. I'm not saying all or any of that happens but what if it does happen. Then what is your plan for the Clippers?

[QRich3]

I want to play devils advocate for a bit. Lets say KL signs 2 year deal in Toronto. KD signs max with GS. Butler signs max with Philly. Irving signs with Lebron. AD gets traded to Boston. Kemba signs with Charlotte. I'm not saying all or any of that happens but what if it does happen. Then what is your plan for the Clippers?

Keep signing non-top players to good contracts, just like with Lou and Trez, focus on the developing of the young kids, keep drafting smart and adding talent. Maybe go take a bet on one of the less valued restricted free agents (Diallo, Portis, Tyus Jones). Have the value in hand for when trades for better assets arise, like they've been doing. Make good use of the draft, and if at all possible, roll the capspace for next season, in case AD happens to be unhappy wherever he ends the season.

In many senses, it's better for the long term future of the Clippers to not get any of those guys, although adding them in FA at cost zero would go a long way to build value.

[esqtvd]

Time for Brogdon to get paid, and that means PAID---and the Bucks have a lot of bills coming due.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansampson/2019/05/28/milwaukee-bucks-payroll-will-be-an-issue/#4306f14739cd

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I wouldn't mind seeing AD in NY.

[Ranma]

I wouldn't mind seeing AD in NY.

I would if Durant and/or Irving join him there.

[mkwest]

I wouldn't mind seeing AD in NY.

I would if Durant and/or Irving join him there.

I don't have much interest in Irving. If the big FA's aren't coming here, I'd rather they go/stay east.

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[simon24]

I want to play devils advocate for a bit. Lets say KL signs 2 year deal in Toronto. KD signs max with GS. Butler signs max with Philly. Irving signs with Lebron. AD gets traded to Boston. Kemba signs with Charlotte. I'm not saying all or any of that happens but what if it does happen. Then what is your plan for the Clippers?

Match any Zubac and McGruder deal.

Let the market set Beverley's deal then frontload it and have last year non-guaranteed.

Resign Green and Temple to team friendly short term deals.

Sell high on Lou (to open up more minutes for Robinson).

Hope SGA, Shamet and Robinson all make a 2nd year leap.

SGA/Shamet/McGruder/Gallo/Zubac
Beverley/Robinson/Temple/Harrell/Green

[Quake Griffin]

Never?

Thinking of some particular example?

I just can't see Warren Buffet worried he'd be seen as thirsty when he started buying Apple stock massively. Or to put a better fitting, more popular example, I don't see Disney being ashamed people saw them as needy all these years they've been pursuing Fox' rights of Marvel characters.

Obviously, NBA players being people and not just assets makes things slightly different, but this "being needy" thing is a problem for a teenager trying to get laid, not for an adult in a work environment. Plus, with the addition of Lee Jenkins last summer and how deliberate they've been in doing stuff like this, I don't have a doubt they spent many hours profiling and they're certain it'll help them with these two particular people.

Doubt Ballmer and them are worried at all about perception, and neither am I tbh.

I think buying a large amount of shares in a company or a tender offer is much different (not slightly) than acquiring an individual’s services. Disclosure of both of these is required by the law, so either you disclose your thirst or don’t play at all.

I left public practice and joined private practice not too long ago. There was a “respected” firm that I saw was more “desperate” for my services. I looked under the hood. There was a reason for that. This is nothing near NBA level but it’s certainly a better example than tender offers where, by law, you have to disclose what you’re doing.

I don’t like acting or looking desperate and if we’re being honest, we’re in a good enough position to not act that way. His interest here started before we built a little engine that could team, before we fired Bowen, before we called him Jordan on national tv, before we talked to Nike about his logo. Just look at the Kawhi thread - it was started when he was a GD Spur.

Sheesh. Have some GD confidence you can get the job done.

[QRich3]

Not trying to disrespect you at all, I don't know you and don't wanna assume your experience or your value, but adding a dude like Kawhi to an NBA roster is much much different than hiring a normal employee to a normal company, as valuable as a top guy can be. Both in the scope of what that means for that company and what it means for that company's competition (and the way NBA teams compete between them vs the way normal companies do). That's why we usually talk about players as assets, their value to a franchise is more similar to buying significant shares from another company than it is to hire a regular employee.

And I'm pretty sure you can look under this front office's hood and you'll find nothing but a perfectly tuned engine. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure they're not doing this recklessly as a desperate way to throw a prayer for a FA. If they're being this deliberate, it's because they determined these particular two guys will react positively to this kind of public love. They didn't talk to Nike btw, what Stein's report says is they "looked into" it, it implies the conversation never got out of the Clippers' offices. Which if I had to bet, it probably means they leaked it themselves as a way to tell Kawhi, we know how much you care about this logo, don't think there's anything we won't do if you come. Which again, they probably determined is something he's gonna love to hear.

What you or the Warriors guy feel about optics is just that, your feelings about optics. And they probably thought about what doing all of this would mean in that sense too. And I don't think it means a lot, and apparently they didn't either.

[Quake Griffin]

Not trying to disrespect you at all, I don't know you and don't wanna assume your experience or your value, but adding a dude like Kawhi to an NBA roster is much much different than hiring a normal employee to a normal company, as valuable as a top guy can be. Both in the scope of what that means for that company and what it means for that company's competition (and the way NBA teams compete between them vs the way normal companies do). That's why we usually talk about players as assets, their value to a franchise is more similar to buying significant shares from another company than it is to hire a regular employee.

And I'm pretty sure you can look under this front office's hood and you'll find nothing but a perfectly tuned engine. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure they're not doing this recklessly as a desperate way to throw a prayer for a FA. If they're being this deliberate, it's because they determined these particular two guys will react positively to this kind of public love. They didn't talk to Nike btw, what Stein's report says is they "looked into" it, it implies the conversation never got out of the Clippers' offices. Which if I had to bet, it probably means they leaked it themselves as a way to tell Kawhi, we know how much you care about this logo, don't think there's anything we won't do if you come. Which again, they probably determined is something he's gonna love to hear.

What you or the Warriors guy feel about optics is just that, your feelings about optics. And they probably thought about what doing all of this would mean in that sense too. And I don't think it means a lot, and apparently they didn't either.

I'm VERY comfortable with my profession and where I work, so no offense taken. IDC.
Make the scenario a board offering for a top CEO's services. If one company seems more desperate than the other, the CEO would be foolish to just say, "well, they're just doing what it takes to acquire me".

Didn't you just try to argue me down saying that clearing out house in LAL and giving Ujiri the keys STILL wouldn't be enough?
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Another more apt comparison than tender offers. Even in that scenario, I don't disagree that the Lakers look desperate. They would be desperate in that fake scenario. They are desperate now. I just think it's a more attractive destination than you do.

And, I don't disagree with the portion of looking under the Clipper's hood at all which is why I said, we don't need to be thirsty. NONE OF IT (it being the thirsty stuff) is what made him want to be traded here from the Spurs. We were literally sitting here minding our damn business and he essentially fell into our lap and now we act like we have to do this and that to acquire him. FOH.

The Clippers leaking that themselves is worse to me.

It's not just optics. You are saying yourself that YOUR view of it is they've done the homework on how they are behaving and they believe he will like it, so NO. You can't give me the positive version of why the behavior is good and why the motive behind it is probably good and then say, "it's just optics" when I disagree. That's also indirectly appealing to authority - shutup because someone "smarter" than you thought about this - as if a front office can't get it absolutely wrong.

[QRich3]

That's also indirectly appealing to authority - shutup because someone "smarter" than you thought about this - as if a front office can't get it absolutely wrong.

You tend to do this and it completely puts me off of starting any sort of conversation with you. I don't try to argue you down, I don't indirectly aim things at anyone and I don't try to imply anyone's smarter than you, not me, not the front office, or anyone. Your insecurities are yours, please don't try to put them on me and constantly hint (or outright state) that I'm going after any sort of superiority over you. I find it insulting and it makes me uncomfortable.

[Quake Griffin]

And you tend to appeal to authority a lot when taking on Real GMers opinions of things, be it in game strategy or a simple view of a front office looking desperate. It's absolutely nothing for you to suggest or imply that posters here are normal everyday people that are following the latest hype/ fad/ or are otherwise ignorant while the coaches, GMs/ FO, etc. etc. know more...instead of just making a point of why you are correct.

So, frankly, IDC.
I said what I said and I stand by it.

You INDIRECTLY appealed to an authority. I told you about it. I didn't waste my time virtue signalling about how it puts me off either. I never made it personal because it isn't. You can absolutely tell it's not personal on my end. You just called me a normal employee at a normal company without knowing me or what I do. Added the "no disrespect" caveat which means "disrespect" is coming. Did I fly out the window? Did I take offense? No.

This is a QRich problem. Not Quake.

[esqtvd]

Not trying to disrespect you at all, I don't know you and don't wanna assume your experience or your value, but adding a dude like Kawhi to an NBA roster is much much different than hiring a normal employee to a normal company, as valuable as a top guy can be. Both in the scope of what that means for that company and what it means for that company's competition (and the way NBA teams compete between them vs the way normal companies do). That's why we usually talk about players as assets, their value to a franchise is more similar to buying significant shares from another company than it is to hire a regular employee.

And I'm pretty sure you can look under this front office's hood and you'll find nothing but a perfectly tuned engine. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure they're not doing this recklessly as a desperate way to throw a prayer for a FA. If they're being this deliberate, it's because they determined these particular two guys will react positively to this kind of public love. They didn't talk to Nike btw, what Stein's report says is they "looked into" it, it implies the conversation never got out of the Clippers' offices. Which if I had to bet, it probably means they leaked it themselves as a way to tell Kawhi, we know how much you care about this logo, don't think there's anything we won't do if you come. Which again, they probably determined is something he's gonna love to hear.

What you or the Warriors guy feel about optics is just that, your feelings about optics. And they probably thought about what doing all of this would mean in that sense too. And I don't think it means a lot, and apparently they didn't either.

In my business, headhunting, all things being equal we say that people tend to go where they're most wanted and needed. In the NBA, the money's about the same in the long run. Every team in the NBA wants Kawhi, so the Clippers are trying to give Kawhi that extra TLC that says they're interested in him as a person, not just as an asset on the court.

These things make a huge difference in career decisions. What "feels" right. What feels like home.

Under the hood in this org--with Ballmer's unlimited resources--is the philosophy that they leave no stone unturned, which is why Lee Jenkins was hired as the Vice-President of Touchy-Feely or whatever they call him. If Kawhi chooses elsewhere, the org can be satisfied they did everything humanly possible to land him.

This Nike thing, especially with Kawhi's lawsuit hitting the papers this week, is a perfect example how the Clips will get Kawhi's back in business as well as basketball. If they didn't leak it, they sure should have. What an amazing org, being so on top of things! No stone unturned.

[wco81]

Like I said showing Kawhi how much they want to sign him won’t necessarily put off Kawhi — although you never know, he seems to be a low-key guy who’d rather not be in the spotlight.

But it might put off other players Who would obviously be second choices.

[esqtvd]

Like I said showing Kawhi how much they want to sign him won’t necessarily put off Kawhi — although you never know, he seems to be a low-key guy who’d rather not be in the spotlight.

But it might put off other players Who would obviously be second choices.

The Clippers' line has always been they want to sign two. Barkley was saying this morning that all this FA stuff could well depend on which TWO free agents want to sign with Team X.

Barkley said being the lone superstar in Philly really sucked, and getting dealt to PHX was like heaven. KD might not be willing to join us [or the Knicks or anyone] unless Kyrie wants to tag along too. [As for Kawhi, nobody can say, LOL. The man's a sphinx.]

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