2019 NBA draft part deux

thinktank · Post #281 » by **thinktank** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 5:44 pm

Porter’s got a funky release (brings ball up on wrong side of buddy—opposite his shooting hand). Doesn’t look like a catch and shoot guy. Just sayin.

wolfen · Post #282 » by **wolfen** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 8:22 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Kevin Porter Jr doing drills (Nothing crazy, just some 1 on none type of stuff) He looks pretty explosive..I know he has "off court issues" and that's actually pretty concerning, but he looks like he'll be a bully at the 2 guard if we want to take a risk.

Watch on YouTube

Can't remember who said it, but their quote was "if he's there in round 2 I'd take him" or something to that effect. At first we thought it was a joke but that's where I'm at right now as well. If you're not really freaking good at it in the NBA, if you're a ball dominant player, you're a huuuuge drain on your team. You don't see ANY "pretty good" ball dominant players in the nba, either you're great at it, or your not. If you're taking Porter Jr., you're essentially gambling that he'll be an elite ball dominant player, an all-star. That is highly unlikely, those kind of players are 1 in a million, they don't come from guys who couldn't start on their college teams and had off court issues. But again, if he's there with pick 43, I'll take a flyer, sure. He's really good at layups...

wesleyt95 · Post #283 » by **wesleyt95** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 8:59 pm

wolfen wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Kevin Porter Jr doing drills (Nothing crazy, just some 1 on none type of stuff) He looks pretty explosive..I know he has "off court issues" and that's actually pretty concerning, but he looks like he'll be a bully at the 2 guard if we want to take a risk.

Watch on YouTube

Can't remember who said it, but their quote was "if he's there in round 2 I'd take him" or something to that effect. At first we thought it was a joke but that's where I'm at right now as well. If you're not really freaking good at it in the NBA, if you're a ball dominant player, you're a huuuuge drain on your team. You don't see ANY "pretty good" ball dominant players in the nba, either you're great at it, or your not. If you're taking Porter Jr., you're essentially gambling that he'll be an elite ball dominant player, an all-star. That is highly unlikely, those kind of players are 1 in a million, they don't come from guys who couldn't start on their college teams and had off court issues. But again, if he's there with pick 43, I'll take a flyer, sure. He's really good at layups...

Simply not true

Krapinsky · Post #284 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:27 pm

Porter Jr. seems like this draft's Perry Jones III or Quincy Miller. Overhyped.

KGdaBom · Post #285 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 2:44 am

wolfen wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Kevin Porter Jr doing drills (Nothing crazy, just some 1 on none type of stuff) He looks pretty explosive..I know he has "off court issues" and that's actually pretty concerning, but he looks like he'll be a bully at the 2 guard if we want to take a risk.

Watch on YouTube

Can't remember who said it, but their quote was "if he's there in round 2 I'd take him" or something to that effect. At first we thought it was a joke but that's where I'm at right now as well. If you're not really freaking good at it in the NBA, if you're a ball dominant player, you're a huuuuge drain on your team. You don't see ANY "pretty good" ball dominant players in the nba, either you're great at it, or your not. If you're taking Porter Jr., you're essentially gambling that he'll be an elite ball dominant player, an all-star. That is highly unlikely, those kind of players are 1 in a million, they don't come from guys who couldn't start on their college teams and had off court issues. But again, if he's there with pick 43, I'll take a flyer, sure. He's really good at layups...

I'm the one who said it.

wolfen · Post #286 » by **wolfen** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:15 pm

wesleyt95 wrote:
wolfen wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:Kevin Porter Jr doing drills (Nothing crazy, just some 1 on none type of stuff) He looks pretty explosive..I know he has "off court issues" and that's actually pretty concerning, but he looks like he'll be a bully at the 2 guard if we want to take a risk.

Watch on YouTube

Can't remember who said it, but their quote was "if he's there in round 2 I'd take him" or something to that effect. At first we thought it was a joke but that's where I'm at right now as well. If you're not really freaking good at it in the NBA, if you're a ball dominant player, you're a huuuuge drain on your team. You don't see ANY "pretty good" ball dominant players in the nba, either you're great at it, or your not. If you're taking Porter Jr., you're essentially gambling that he'll be an elite ball dominant player, an all-star. That is highly unlikely, those kind of players are 1 in a million, they don't come from guys who couldn't start on their college teams and had off court issues. But again, if he's there with pick 43, I'll take a flyer, sure. He's really good at layups...

Simply not true

C'mon dude, look at the layups in the video!! It IS true that he's good at 'em...

SmokeyPaw · Post #287 » by **SmokeyPaw** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 3:50 pm

wolfen wrote:
wesleyt95 wrote:
wolfen wrote:
Can't remember who said it, but their quote was "if he's there in round 2 I'd take him" or something to that effect. At first we thought it was a joke but that's where I'm at right now as well. If you're not really freaking good at it in the NBA, if you're a ball dominant player, you're a huuuuge drain on your team. You don't see ANY "pretty good" ball dominant players in the nba, either you're great at it, or your not. If you're taking Porter Jr., you're essentially gambling that he'll be an elite ball dominant player, an all-star. That is highly unlikely, those kind of players are 1 in a million, they don't come from guys who couldn't start on their college teams and had off court issues. But again, if he's there with pick 43, I'll take a flyer, sure. He's really good at layups...

Simply not true

C'mon dude, look at the layups in the video!! It IS true that he's good at 'em...

He also has off the ball issues: he appeared disengaged whenever off the ball on both offense and defense when I watched him. Not sure how easy that is to fix. We havent had much luck with that.

KGdaBom · Post #288 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:07 pm

Found this brand new mock on RotoWorld
https://www.rotoworld.com/article/draft-preview/2019-nba-mock-draft-volume-three?page=1
Had us taking Rui at #11 which was disappointing. Had us getting Claxton at 43 which was inspiring. The top 10 were exactly who I expected. Other notables. Boston taking Clarke at 14 and NAW at 22.

alabamawolf · Post #289 » by **alabamawolf** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:42 pm

I really think the Wolves should consider PG Jordan Bone with their 2nd round pick. I still think he’d benefit from an extra year in college but he tested at the combine as one of the best athletes in combine history. His jumpshot is flat, much like Derrick Rose’s, and his defense will never be better than average but he should thrive with more spacing that the NBA will give him. I know Klomp has mentioned him a couple times already. I’ve seen pretty much every game he’s ever played and he should make a good backup PG with potential to grow

Post #290 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 5:14 pm

SmokeyPaw wrote:He also has off the ball issues: he appeared disengaged whenever off the ball on both offense and defense when I watched him. Not sure how easy that is to fix. We havent had much luck with that.

Feel like people said the same things about Zach LaVine.

The truth is, we likely won't find the perfect prospect at 11. We could draft Giannis and the fan base would critique the pick because he isn't a good enough shooter.

shangrila · Post #291 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 10:15 pm

Klomp wrote:
SmokeyPaw wrote:He also has off the ball issues: he appeared disengaged whenever off the ball on both offense and defense when I watched him. Not sure how easy that is to fix. We havent had much luck with that.

Feel like people said the same things about Zach LaVine.

The truth is, we likely won't find the perfect prospect at 11. We could draft Giannis and the fan base would critique the pick because he isn't a good enough shooter.

It's not about finding the perfect prospect, it's about finding one that doesn't have more negatives than positives.

wildvikeswolves · Post #292 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 3:57 pm

Read on Twitter

Interesting. Would have to be a trade up but hard to see us pulling it off. Besides the pick, Covington is the only other piece that has value.

moss_is_1 · Post #293 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:24 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:

Read on Twitter

Interesting. Would have to be a trade up but hard to see us pulling it off. Besides the pick, Covington is the only other piece that has value.

Dario has value. Unless we take back a bad deal for an expiring also. I dont think moving up is worth is unless theres someone we really love. Seems theres a lot of middle tier prospects.

UnFadeable21 · Post #294 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:42 pm

11. Minnesota Timberwolves — Brandon Clarke

6-8 forward/center, redshirt junior, Gonzaga

The Timberwolves are another team that is tough to read right now. New lead basketball operations executive Gersson Rosas is making his first selection in that role after years in Houston. Following his hiring of Sachin Gupta as vice president of basketball operations, it’s reasonable to expect a data-heavy approach to team building. Rosas isn’t a “pure analytics” guy, having come up through the Rockets’ system as a video coordinator before becoming director of scouting and the No. 2 behind Daryl Morey, but it’s fair to assume that data will play a role.

Even despite his age and measurements being a hindrance in such measures, Clarke measures out well across NBA models, finding himself right in this range for most teams. In large part, that’s because Clarke’s production this season was off the charts. If not for the presence of Zion Williamson, Clarke would have set the single-season record for PER in college basketball over the last decade at 37.2. His 69.9 true-shooting percentage was absurd given that only about 50 percent of his shots inside the arc were assisted. Not since Anthony Davis has a player finished first in individual offensive and defensive rating.

Then, throw in the fact that he’s a perfect fit with Karl-Anthony Towns, and it’s extremely easy to get excited about Clarke’s potential in Minnesota. Clarke’s an elite level weak-side rim protector despite his lack of length due to his sense of timing and quickness off the ground. His mobility would also be a strong fit, as he’s capable of guarding players across the positional spectrum. With David Vanterpool being hired on Thursday to run the defense, it’s easy to imagine Minnesota running the same scheme Vanterpool ran in Portland, with Towns mostly playing drop coverage and staying around the basket, and Clarke playing the versatile Al-Farouq Aminu role. Offensively, Towns’ ability to stretch the floor from the center position would space the floor for Clarke’s rim-running and ability to operate in the mid-post. This is my favorite potential fit for any prospect in the draft.

UnFadeable21 · Post #295 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:42 pm

The Athletic mock
Draft

Post #296 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:48 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:This is my favorite potential fit for any prospect in the draft.

Vecenie's been preaching this fit for months. I get why, but right now I just see that pick as unlikely. Maybe 10% odds at most.

Post #297 » by **Calinks** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:53 pm

Man.... crazy that Amir Coffey left college.

Post #298 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:58 pm

Calinks wrote:Man.... crazy that Amir Coffey left college.

Some kids just want to start making money. He probably wasn't a high pick either way, so I don't know how much he really loses by leaving early.

KGdaBom · Post #299 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:03 pm

Klomp wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:This is my favorite potential fit for any prospect in the draft.

Vecenie's been preaching this fit for months. I get why, but right now I just see that pick as unlikely. Maybe 10% odds at most.

Odds of getting the Wolves pick right with any one player are slim. That said Clarke is by far the most commonly mocked player to us and I would bet on him being the pick over any other single name.

KGdaBom · Post #300 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:06 pm

Klomp wrote:
Calinks wrote:Man.... crazy that Amir Coffey left college.

Some kids just want to start making money. He probably wasn't a high pick either way, so I don't know how much he really loses by leaving early.

If he hasn't completed his college degree he loses that. He loses the fun of another season of college hoops with his comrades. I know many student athletes have no intention of getting a degree. IMO if that is the case they shouldn't be playing college basketball.