Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[gundysmullet]

Now that they have acquired the 17th pick I will modify my trade proposal: number ten, number 17, Bazemore and Huerter for Bradley Beal.

That's awful.

Here are the #10 picks of this decade:

2018 Mikal Bridges
2017 Zach Collins
2016 Thon Maker
2015 Justise Winslow
2014 Elfrid Payton
2013 C.J. McCollum
2012 Austin Rivers
2011 Jimmer Fredette
2010 Paul George

Here are the #17 picks of this decade:

2018 Donte DiVincenzo
2017 D.J. Wilson
2016 Wade Baldwin
2015 Rashad Vaughn
2014 James Young
2013 Dennis Schroeder
2012 Tyler Zeller
2011 Iman Shumpert
2010 Kevin Seraphin

Of those 18 selections, only 2 of them would compensate for the loss of Beal: George and McCollum. So if history is a guide, your trade has an 11% chance of working out.

You lost all credibility when you completely ignored Huerter in the equation. You simply confirmed your own bias.

[nate33]

Now that they have acquired the 17th pick I will modify my trade proposal: number ten, number 17, Bazemore and Huerter for Bradley Beal.

That's awful.

Here are the #10 picks of this decade:

2018 Mikal Bridges
2017 Zach Collins
2016 Thon Maker
2015 Justise Winslow
2014 Elfrid Payton
2013 C.J. McCollum
2012 Austin Rivers
2011 Jimmer Fredette
2010 Paul George

Here are the #17 picks of this decade:

2018 Donte DiVincenzo
2017 D.J. Wilson
2016 Wade Baldwin
2015 Rashad Vaughn
2014 James Young
2013 Dennis Schroeder
2012 Tyler Zeller
2011 Iman Shumpert
2010 Kevin Seraphin

Of those 18 selections, only 2 of them would compensate for the loss of Beal: George and McCollum. So if history is a guide, your trade has an 11% chance of working out.

You lost all credibility when you completely ignored Huerter in the equation. You simply confirmed your own bias.

I ignored Huerter because I don't think his value shifts the needle much. The guy averaged 13 points per 36 minutes and shot 38% from 3 while showing no ability to finish at the rim. A catch-and-shoot role player is nice but irrelevant when we're talking about a 25-year-old 1st option superstar.

[Ruzious]

Now that they have acquired the 17th pick I will modify my trade proposal: number ten, number 17, Bazemore and Huerter for Bradley Beal.

So, the 10th pick is your centerpiece in an offer for Beal. No.

Actually, I would say that Huerter is. Plus a lottery pick and a mid first rounder, plus a vet sg that you could keep or flip.

You would - I wouldn't. And I'm a Maryland grad. Bazemore has no value with his contract. I'd rather not take him at all.

[TGW]

Now that they have acquired the 17th pick I will modify my trade proposal: number ten, number 17, Bazemore and Huerter for Bradley Beal.

Get out of here. The Hawks would need to offer all of their picks just to get the Wizards to pick up the phone.

[gundysmullet]

That's awful.

Here are the #10 picks of this decade:

2018 Mikal Bridges
2017 Zach Collins
2016 Thon Maker
2015 Justise Winslow
2014 Elfrid Payton
2013 C.J. McCollum
2012 Austin Rivers
2011 Jimmer Fredette
2010 Paul George

Here are the #17 picks of this decade:

2018 Donte DiVincenzo
2017 D.J. Wilson
2016 Wade Baldwin
2015 Rashad Vaughn
2014 James Young
2013 Dennis Schroeder
2012 Tyler Zeller
2011 Iman Shumpert
2010 Kevin Seraphin

Of those 18 selections, only 2 of them would compensate for the loss of Beal: George and McCollum. So if history is a guide, your trade has an 11% chance of working out.

You lost all credibility when you completely ignored Huerter in the equation. You simply confirmed your own bias.

I ignored Huerter because I don't think his value shifts the needle much. The guy averaged 13 points per 36 minutes and shot 38% from 3 while showing no ability to finish at the rim. A catch-and-shoot role player is nice but irrelevant when we're talking about a 25-year-old 1st option superstar.

I disagree with pretty much all of your points except their ages and stats, so...

[Illmatic12]

So, the 10th pick is your centerpiece in an offer for Beal. No.

Actually, I would say that Huerter is. Plus a lottery pick and a mid first rounder, plus a vet sg that you could keep or flip.

You would - I wouldn't. And I'm a Maryland grad. Bazemore has no value with his contract. I'd rather not take him at all.

Didn’t you hear? If you’re willing to part with your rookie who averaged 9ppg , you can land a perennial All-Star. They’re practically giving em out nowadays !

After the Hawks complete the Beal trade they can follow it up by offering Omari Spellman + #8 for Draymond Green. Who says no?

[gundysmullet]

Actually, I would say that Huerter is. Plus a lottery pick and a mid first rounder, plus a vet sg that you could keep or flip.

You would - I wouldn't. And I'm a Maryland grad. Bazemore has no value with his contract. I'd rather not take him at all.

Didn’t you hear? If you’re willing to part with your rookie who averaged 9ppg , you can land a perennial All-Star. They’re practically giving em out nowadays !

After the Hawks complete the Beal trade they can follow it up by offering Omari Spellman + #8 for Draymond Green. Who says no?

See, it's dishonest propaganda like this that destroys your credibility. A rookie sg, a lottery pick and another first round pick and a veteran sg to keep or flip. Fake post is fake news!

[nate33]

You would - I wouldn't. And I'm a Maryland grad. Bazemore has no value with his contract. I'd rather not take him at all.

Didn’t you hear? If you’re willing to part with your rookie who averaged 9ppg , you can land a perennial All-Star. They’re practically giving em out nowadays !

After the Hawks complete the Beal trade they can follow it up by offering Omari Spellman + #8 for Draymond Green. Who says no?

See, it's dishonest propaganda like this that destroys your credibility. A rookie sg, a lottery pick and another first round pick and a veteran sg to keep or flip. Fake post is fake news!

Now YOUR credibility is in question. Acting like Bazemore is a useful piece in the transaction is absurd. You couldn't "flip" him if you tried.

But enough of this. You've made your proposal. Nobody here likes it. Stop yammering about people's credibility. If everyone disagrees with your assessment of the trade, maybe it's your judgement that should be questioned, not ours.

[gundysmullet]

Didn’t you hear? If you’re willing to part with your rookie who averaged 9ppg , you can land a perennial All-Star. They’re practically giving em out nowadays !

After the Hawks complete the Beal trade they can follow it up by offering Omari Spellman + #8 for Draymond Green. Who says no?

See, it's dishonest propaganda like this that destroys your credibility. A rookie sg, a lottery pick and another first round pick and a veteran sg to keep or flip. Fake post is fake news!

Now YOUR credibility is in question. Acting like Bazemore is a useful piece in the transaction is absurd. You couldn't "flip" him if you tried.

But enough of this. You've made your proposal. Nobody here likes it. Stop yammering about people's credibility. If everyone disagrees with your assessment of the trade, maybe it's your judgement that should be questioned, not ours.

That's cool of you to be his White Knight and all, but when he literally made no mention of either draft pick, one of them being a lottery pick, that's dishonest. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I've been married for 16 years. I do have a problem with dishonesty.

[daoneandonly]

See, it's dishonest propaganda like this that destroys your credibility. A rookie sg, a lottery pick and another first round pick and a veteran sg to keep or flip. Fake post is fake news!

Now YOUR credibility is in question. Acting like Bazemore is a useful piece in the transaction is absurd. You couldn't "flip" him if you tried.

But enough of this. You've made your proposal. Nobody here likes it. Stop yammering about people's credibility. If everyone disagrees with your assessment of the trade, maybe it's your judgement that should be questioned, not ours.

That's cool of you to be his White Knight and all, but when he literally made no mention of either draft pick, one of them being a lottery pick, that's dishonest. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I've been married for 16 years. I do have a problem with dishonesty.

The trade is bad, plain and simple. I'm not even a Wiz fan, but Bradley Beal has way more value than a late lottery pick in a bad draft year and Kevin Huerter. Bazemore is completely irrelevant and the other pick is not far behind.

[Illmatic12]

You would - I wouldn't. And I'm a Maryland grad. Bazemore has no value with his contract. I'd rather not take him at all.

Didn’t you hear? If you’re willing to part with your rookie who averaged 9ppg , you can land a perennial All-Star. They’re practically giving em out nowadays !

After the Hawks complete the Beal trade they can follow it up by offering Omari Spellman + #8 for Draymond Green. Who says no?

See, it's dishonest propaganda like this that destroys your credibility. A rookie sg, a lottery pick and another first round pick and a veteran sg to keep or flip. Fake post is fake news!

Maybe you don’t understand how this works. Kent Bazemore’s contract is a negative asset, that is not a sweetener in the deal . LOL

Here’s a little research assignment - look up the package that was traded to the Clippers for Tobias Harris.

The return the Clippers got for an expiring Tobias Harris is better than what YOU think Washington should accept for an All-NBA caliber SG under contract. The trade you posted might be enough to get Zach Lavine from Chicago , maybe go suggest that on the Bulls board and forget about posting Bradley Beal trades.

[gundysmullet]

Now YOUR credibility is in question. Acting like Bazemore is a useful piece in the transaction is absurd. You couldn't "flip" him if you tried.

But enough of this. You've made your proposal. Nobody here likes it. Stop yammering about people's credibility. If everyone disagrees with your assessment of the trade, maybe it's your judgement that should be questioned, not ours.

That's cool of you to be his White Knight and all, but when he literally made no mention of either draft pick, one of them being a lottery pick, that's dishonest. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I've been married for 16 years. I do have a problem with dishonesty.

The trade is bad, plain and simple. I'm not even a Wiz fan, but Bradley Beal has way more value than a late lottery pick in a bad draft year and Kevin Huerter. Bazemore is completely irrelevant and the other pick is not far behind.

That's fine. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I did have a problem with Illimatic's blatant dishonesty.

[TGW]

That's cool of you to be his White Knight and all, but when he literally made no mention of either draft pick, one of them being a lottery pick, that's dishonest. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I've been married for 16 years. I do have a problem with dishonesty.

The trade is bad, plain and simple. I'm not even a Wiz fan, but Bradley Beal has way more value than a late lottery pick in a bad draft year and Kevin Huerter. Bazemore is completely irrelevant and the other pick is not far behind.

That's fine. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I did have a problem with Illimatic's blatant dishonesty.

Stop being so emotional dude. Your offer sucked. Get over it.

[gundysmullet]

The trade is bad, plain and simple. I'm not even a Wiz fan, but Bradley Beal has way more value than a late lottery pick in a bad draft year and Kevin Huerter. Bazemore is completely irrelevant and the other pick is not far behind.

That's fine. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I did have a problem with Illimatic's blatant dishonesty.

Stop being so emotional dude. Your offer sucked. Get over it.

Ok anonymous internet tough guy.

[payitforward]

...Gordon is an awesome player, a top 8 SG ....

I don't understand this statement at all.

Start by looking at everything but shooting -- he's a way below average rebounder for a guard. Not recent, nothing to do with teammates. He's also low in assists. About average in the other stuff. So... he's pretty far below average except for scoring.

So... how about scoring. Last year he used 3.05 more possessions per 40 minutes than an average 2-3 to get his team 3.6 more points than an average 2-3. That's good: an average 2-3 would produce 3.3 point. But, not only does it not make up for getting just over half as many rebounds as an average 2-3, it doesn't even come close.

Now, in fairness, last year was a very down year for Gordon. But... he has never actually had a really good year. & he's been about the same guy for all 3 teams he's played for. I.e. the numbers are more or less consistent (given the usual arc of get better > peak > start to decline).

He's not even an especially good 3-point shooter. He had one great year at that (14-'15) -- but... weirdly!... that year he shot 38% on 2 point attempts. Moreover, the most obvious development in his offensive game over the last 5 years is that he doesn't get to the line much any more.

edit: I don't care enough about Gordon that I would want to devote much time to discussing him. & anyway we all have our favorite players for whatever reason. Just a puzzle to me in this case.

I'm not going to argue about Gordon because honestly I'm indifferent on him but I couldn't care less how many rebounds my SG gets. Obviously the more the better, but I'm not picking one SG over another based on how well they rebound. I'm more concerned about how well he performs in his role as an SG and how successful he is at the specific skills expected for the position.

Basketball isn't football. In football, guards don't catch passes, & wide receivers don't record sacks. In basketball, however, every player does every activity. & they count the same no matter who does them.

In the end, only 2 things determine whether you win or lose a basketball game: 1) how many chances you get to score, & 2) how efficiently your team turns those opportunities into points.

Nothing else matters. The reason rebounds are important is because rebounds affect how many chances your team get to score. &, each rebound has the same effect on the game. Whether it's by a Center or by a guard.

On average, guards get fewer rebounds than Centers, but each of either guy's rebounds still has exactly the same effect on whether you win or lose. So, yeah, rebounds count in assessing how good any player is -- including a guard.

Of course it's possible to do some things so well that even if you do other things poorly you're still a good player. But even better is when you shoot like Stephen Curry & you still get almost 6.5 boards per 40 minutes. The way Curry does. Eric Gordon gets 2.5. & he also doesn't shoot like Steph Curry. He's a slightly above average shooter for his position. That's all.

The result, overall, is that Eric Gordon is a bad NBA basketball player. Always has been.

[payitforward]

That's fine. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I did have a problem with Illimatic's blatant dishonesty.

Stop being so emotional dude. Your offer sucked. Get over it.

Ok anonymous internet tough guy.

Hey, listen. It's fun to bat this stuff back and forth. But, be a little bit respectful, ok? You think illmatic missed your point, I get it, but lets leave it at that, ok? Lets not call names. & lets not double down on it by insulting the next guy to come along.

Huerter was a very high value draft pick -- an excellent nab by your FO. Guy gave you almost 2100 minutes as a rookie. He played pretty well for a rookie, too. Well done. In fact, well done on a lot of fronts by your FO.

But, no team in the league would give you a package of the kind you want for him & the rest of what you propose. He's not the centerpiece of a big trade; not yet. Right now, he's just a young player who had a better rookie year than might have been expected.

A good year for a rookie, I mean: he scored fewer points per 40 minutes than an average 2-3, & he scored his points at a below average TS%. Those are just facts; they aren't a slam. & there's no reason to doubt that he'll improve -- maybe a lot. The rest of what he did was pretty close to average for a 2-3 overall, which means it's above average for a rookie.

He could turn out to be pretty good. TBH, as someone else pointed out, I'm not sure why you'd want to trade for Beal at this point. Your team should post a better record this year than last -- & keep improving, too -- but you aren't ready to contend for the finals. IMO, you'd do a lot better to pick up talent in this draft.

In fact, given that you, or any team, would find it hard to absorb 6 rookies, it would seem to make more sense for you to come offer us the #17 pick & your 3 R2 picks for our #9 pick (about right based on http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2). Don't believe the BS that this is a weak draft -- it's not. Dedmon was a great pick up for you, but he, Len, Plumlee & Davis don't add up to a long-term solution at Center for a young team with high aspirations. I could see you guys taking Clarke, Bitadze & Doumboya & solving a whole bunch of problems. That would be an incredible haul for you. Plus, IMO, there's going to be big-time latent value in that group (especially in terms of tradability down the line).

Just my 2 cents. Good luck!

[80sballboy]

Consider the source. This guy is rarely right but fun to speculate. No way we take just the fourth pick

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[Ruzious]

Consider the source. This guy is rarely right but fun to speculate. No way we take just the fourth pick

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But the 4th pick would be a good start, and the Lakers do have some trade pieces. I could definitely see a trade with the Lakers happen... if the Wiz ever name a GM/President.

[payitforward]

Right... tho even in that case, the only candidate I can think of who would have the status to start his regime by trading Brad Beal would be Masai.

Maybe Toronto wins tonight, & tomorrow Ted announces him as our new President of Basketball Operations... only... why do I doubt that????

[dangermouse]

4th pick would be a decent starting point for Beal.

If we rebuild, having the 4th and 9th in this draft would be a good start to kick things off.