2019 NBA draft

[BostonCouchGM]

The best basketball player likely to be available at #14 is Goga. Whether or not he's the right choice remains to be seen.

Point guard are a dime a dozen. Height is distributed on a normal curve, and there will be undrafted point guard who turn out to be solid NBA players, e.g. Fred VanVleet. In fact, Shane Larkin is probably better than any point guard in this year's draft.

ummm...zero chance. Morant, White, Garland and probably several others from this draft class will be much better than Shane Larkin. c'mon man. As for Goga, the idea of him is appealing. He's young, you want to believe he can be a stretch 4/5 but he really can't shoot, and he has the size, motor and BBIQ you want to see. If he put in the work in the weight room and in the gym there's definitely some Marc Gasol potential and it wouldn't surprise me if he was to go right around our pick or slightly before to someone willing to wait a few years for him to develop. ATL who just picked up another 1st rounder might be tempted at #10.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The best basketball player likely to be available at #14 is Goga. Whether or not he's the right choice remains to be seen.

Point guard are a dime a dozen. Height is distributed on a normal curve, and there will be undrafted point guard who turn out to be solid NBA players, e.g. Fred VanVleet. In fact, Shane Larkin is probably better than any point guard in this year's draft.

ummm...zero chance. Morant, White, Garland and probably several others from this draft class will be much better than Shane Larkin. c'mon man. As for Goga, the idea of him is appealing. He's young, you want to believe he can be a stretch 4/5 but he really can't shoot, and he has the size, motor and BBIQ you want to see. If he put in the work in the weight room and in the gym there's definitely some Marc Gasol potential and it wouldn't surprise me if he was to go right around our pick or slightly before to someone willing to wait a few years for him to develop. ATL who just picked up another 1st rounder might be tempted at #10.

I’m just interested in whether Curm makes exaggerated wack rib-poking statements in every part of his life. “This restaurant may have two Michelin stars but I’ve had better at Applebee’s”; “Roof tiles aren’t worth it - if you’re not a sucker, spend a Saturday in Gloucester grabbing shells and sea glass from the beach, pick up some carpenter’s glue and zip ties and you’ve got the same thing for a tenth of the money - ceilings drip sometimes, it’s not a cathedral”

[big-shot-ROB]

I could see Danny, btw, taking Grant Williams at 14, Hachimura at 20 as a slider, and Talen Horton-Tucker at 22, and calling it a great draft.

I'd be happy with that as well.

I would loathe that draft.

You don't take Williams at 14. That's a complete waste of value given the pick. You trade back and pick him. Williams + additional assets might be as worth as the 14th pick. But Williams at 14 is not great value.

You all know I don't love Hachimura. Can't tell why. Just reminds me of a tweener with no clear position and limited feel for the game.

Horton-Tucker is intriguing, but you have to remember. He is 6'2. No way he is Draymond or Tucker in the sense he can play small ball 5 or the 4. And because of that, he loses appeal to me. Can't shoot from anywhere. Ball handling is okay, passing is not really there. Rebouding meh. Jack of all trades master of none sympthom.

[big-shot-ROB]

If I had to express my feelings I'd go:

14 - Clarke, Goga, Nassir. Trade back if no one of these 3 is there.
20 - HERRO. period. Trade up if necessary. Then I'd be fine with either KPJ or Romeo if they slide until here.
22 - Kabengele, Williams (too high maybe?), PJ Washington

Trade down options: Windler, Ty Jerome, Cam Johnson, Thybulle, Carsen Edwards!!, Okeke, Louis King, Schofield

But really, trading down or out of this draft would be my advice. There's not really a great difference between guys from 4-25. Obviousy Garland and Reddish might be more appealing than Clarke, Williams or Windler, but they too come with big question marks and I'm every year shifting away from drafting on pure and not displayed potential.

[bucknersrevenge]

If I had to express my feelings I'd go:

14 - Clarke, Goga, Nassir. Trade back if no one of these 3 is there.
20 - HERRO. period. Trade up if necessary. Then I'd be fine with either KPJ or Romeo if they slide until here.
22 - Kabengele, Williams (too high maybe?), PJ Washington

Trade down options: Windler, Ty Jerome, Cam Johnson, Thybulle, Carsen Edwards!!, Okeke, Louis King, Schofield

But really, trading down or out of this draft would be my advice. There's not really a great difference between guys from 4-25. Obviousy Garland and Reddish might be more appealing than Clarke, Williams or Windler, but they too come with big question marks and I'm every year shifting away from drafting on pure and not displayed potential.

I'm on the same page as you with a lot of those guys you mentioned. Would definitely take Clarke @14. If he makes it that far, snap up Goga @20, if not Kabangele. Then I love Edwards @22. Maybe except for Goga, those are all guys who could step right in and play a role still with some room to grow.

[Curmudgeon]

The best basketball player likely to be available at #14 is Goga. Whether or not he's the right choice remains to be seen.

Point guard are a dime a dozen. Height is distributed on a normal curve, and there will be undrafted point guard who turn out to be solid NBA players, e.g. Fred VanVleet. In fact, Shane Larkin is probably better than any point guard in this year's draft.

ummm...zero chance. Morant, White, Garland and probably several others from this draft class will be much better than Shane Larkin. c'mon man. As for Goga, the idea of him is appealing. He's young, you want to believe he can be a stretch 4/5 but he really can't shoot, and he has the size, motor and BBIQ you want to see. If he put in the work in the weight room and in the gym there's definitely some Marc Gasol potential and it wouldn't surprise me if he was to go right around our pick or slightly before to someone willing to wait a few years for him to develop. ATL who just picked up another 1st rounder might be tempted at #10.

I’m just interested in whether Curm makes exaggerated wack rib-poking statements in every part of his life. “This restaurant may have two Michelin stars but I’ve had better at Applebee’s”; “Roof tiles aren’t worth it - if you’re not a sucker, spend a Saturday in Gloucester grabbing shells and sea glass from the beach, pick up some carpenter’s glue and zip ties and you’ve got the same thing for a tenth of the money - ceilings drip sometimes, it’s not a cathedral”

I'll grant you an exception for Morant but not for White and Garland. White is really a shooting guard: he's a scorer, not a point guard.

[taj2133]

Alexander-Walker recently worked out with the Celtics and, sources said, performed extremely well in front of their brass. He also fits something of a positional need now in the backcourt with the team potentially losing Kyrie Irving and Terry Rozier in free agency. More of a combo-guard, secondary creator than a pure point guard, the former Hokie is a very skilled player who can run pick-and-rolls, split double-teams, and get into the paint. He can also knock down shots from distance and create plays for others at some level. The big concern here is overall athleticism in regards to potential future star power. Because of that, he profiles best next to a high-level creator. Still, this would be a good value at No. 20 for anyone.
https://theathletic.com/1010182/2019/06/07/vecenie-2019-nba-mock-draft-5-0-trade-discussions-impacting-projections/?source=rss

[Celts17Pride]

Alexander-Walker recently worked out with the Celtics and, sources said, performed extremely well in front of their brass. He also fits something of a positional need now in the backcourt with the team potentially losing Kyrie Irving and Terry Rozier in free agency. More of a combo-guard, secondary creator than a pure point guard, the former Hokie is a very skilled player who can run pick-and-rolls, split double-teams, and get into the paint. He can also knock down shots from distance and create plays for others at some level. The big concern here is overall athleticism in regards to potential future star power. Because of that, he profiles best next to a high-level creator. Still, this would be a good value at No. 20 for anyone.
https://theathletic.com/1010182/2019/06/07/vecenie-2019-nba-mock-draft-5-0-trade-discussions-impacting-projections/?source=rss

I like him but don't think he will be there at #20.

[No-Man]

just in case anybody cares...

I

Zion Williamson

II

Jarrett Culver
R.J. Barrett
Brandon Clarke
Ja Morant

III

Goga Bitadze
Darius Garland
Tyler Herro
PJ Washington
Grant Williams
Sekou Doumbouya
Cameron Reddish
Coby White
De'Andre Hunter
Matisse Thybulle
Carsen Edwards
Nicolas Claxton
Chuma Okeke
Jontay Porter
Talen Horton-Tucker
Jaxson Hayes

I'd add my next guy since you have 22nd..., Romeo Langford

[Curmudgeon]

Alexander-Walker recently worked out with the Celtics and, sources said, performed extremely well in front of their brass. He also fits something of a positional need now in the backcourt with the team potentially losing Kyrie Irving and Terry Rozier in free agency. More of a combo-guard, secondary creator than a pure point guard, the former Hokie is a very skilled player who can run pick-and-rolls, split double-teams, and get into the paint. He can also knock down shots from distance and create plays for others at some level. The big concern here is overall athleticism in regards to potential future star power. Because of that, he profiles best next to a high-level creator. Still, this would be a good value at No. 20 for anyone.
https://theathletic.com/1010182/2019/06/07/vecenie-2019-nba-mock-draft-5-0-trade-discussions-impacting-projections/?source=rss

I like him but don't think he will be there at #20.

He's not as good as his cousin, unfortunately.

I'm not in love with any player that will likely be available with #14, #20 or #22. In fact, if I had pick #4 in this draft there are 10-15 names I would have to consider.

My bias is toward international players because even today they tend to be undervalued. Look at what Kurucs has done. Even when they play in college they are often undervalued, e.g. Sabonis. Meanwhile, when the star-maker machinery kicks in, North American prospects tend to be over hyped. There is serious money involved. Pick #20 this June will earn $6M over three years even if he never sets foot on an NBA court. So, I'm taking a long look at Bitadze and Samanic, among others.

I do like two players who may be available at #51: Jaylen Lecque and Miye Oni.

[bucknersrevenge]

In perhaps a bid to call Rich Paul's bluff, I think Danny takes THT @20 Plus he kinda replaces that long armed gritty switchy defender type we lose when we have to trade Marcus.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Love Nickel as long as he’s not a step too slow - he’ll never be able to drive to the rim in the NBA, though

[Wes-J]

Don't get the hangup with "tweeners". If anything that's what the NBA has become in a roundabout sort of way, positionless basketball.

You could argue at least half the league for being tweeners. It's a non-issue for me.

[taj2133]

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[return2glory]

With 20 and 22 I would really consider Carsen Edwards and Chuma Okeke.

[big-shot-ROB]

Don't get the hangup with "tweeners". If anything that's what the NBA has become in a roundabout sort of way, positionless basketball.

You could argue at least half the league for being tweeners. It's a non-issue for me.

Tweeners that can't shoot nor step completly outside the arc while not bringing you big man contributions. That's the problem.

[big-shot-ROB]

Oh, and something funny I saw today on twitter. Cameron Johnson has the same age as DLo: 23.

[CelticsLV]

If the team is going the drafting route then Bol should be the obvious choice. Of course, if he's still on the board or there's a reasonable trade up option. By far the best talent outside of Zion. That injury sucks but I will take this gamble easily. But knowing Ainge he will most likely take another tough, defensive minded wing without any natural offensive skill.

[SmartWentCrazy]

just in case anybody cares...

I

Zion Williamson

II

Jarrett Culver
R.J. Barrett
Brandon Clarke
Ja Morant

III

Goga Bitadze
Darius Garland
Tyler Herro
PJ Washington
Grant Williams
Sekou Doumbouya
Cameron Reddish
Coby White
De'Andre Hunter
Matisse Thybulle
Carsen Edwards
Nicolas Claxton
Chuma Okeke
Jontay Porter
Talen Horton-Tucker
Jaxson Hayes

I'd add my next guy since you have 22nd..., Romeo Langford

I have it:

I:

Zion

II:

Morant

III:

Everyone else

[SmartWentCrazy]

If the team is going the drafting route then Bol should be the obvious choice. Of course, if he's still on the board or there's a reasonable trade up option. By far the best talent outside of Zion. That injury sucks but I will take this gamble easily. But knowing Ainge he will most likely take another tough, defensive minded wing without any natural offensive skill.

Bol Bol makes Greg Monroe look like an all-NBA defender