Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 I: Big decisions on the horizon

[drsd]

Nets open up cap space ....

That the ticker has this in capitals, I wonder what the upside is of Mr. Cap Space

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[pepe1991]

Nets open up cap space ....

That the ticker has this in capitals, I wonder what the upside is of Mr. Cap Space

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

Nets moved 2 picks

we give away late 1st round picks for 2nd rounders in the future.

[ezzzp]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

Nets moved 2 picks

we give away late 1st round picks for 2nd rounders in the future.

Actually we traded #25 to the Philadelphia 76ers for OKC's 2020 1st (top-20 protected) AND a 2020 2nd round draft pick.

That OKC pick + Jonathan Simmons were then traded for Markelle Fultz.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Nets moved 2 picks

we give away late 1st round picks for 2nd rounders in the future.

Actually we traded #25 to the Philadelphia 76ers for OKC's 2020 1st (top-20 protected) AND a 2020 2nd round draft pick.

That OKC pick + Jonathan Simmons were then traded for Markelle Fultz.

so we've pretty much received nothing of on court value yet, that's pretty cool! It's a merry go round of non value

[ezzzp]

we give away late 1st round picks for 2nd rounders in the future.

Actually we traded #25 to the Philadelphia 76ers for OKC's 2020 1st (top-20 protected) AND a 2020 2nd round draft pick.

That OKC pick + Jonathan Simmons were then traded for Markelle Fultz.

so we've pretty much received nothing of on court value yet, that's pretty cool! It's a merry go round of non value

what?

...using that logic then Philadelphia had wasted their pick with Embiid - who missed his two first seasons, and they had wasted another pick with Ben Simmons who also missed his 1st season...etc etc etc.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Magic wasting another pick to draft Tacko would be on par for the last 7 years.

It’s the 46th pick, the only way they waste it is by picking yet another long armed wing with potential to one day maybe hit a jump shot.

We interviewed very interesting players for 2nd round. Oni, Bone, Mann

Oni? The guy projected to go towards then end of the draft? Those guys aren’t interesting. A 7-6 shot blocker is interesting. Those other guys are basic.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Magic wasting another pick to draft Tacko would be on par for the last 7 years.

It’s the 46th pick, the only way they waste it is by picking yet another long armed wing with potential to one day maybe hit a jump shot.

tacko can barely get up and down the court in college and he'd get abused in the NBA. It's a great story and hes grown a ton in college but he'd likely do better in euro league where he can camp in paint and block shots/not have to worry about PnR scheme's.

What?! He looked fine to me and everyone else apparently. If Boban can be a 10 mpg guy (which is what I expect) who impacts the game in small spurts and in certain scenarios then so can Tacko easily.
I want them to do something different in the second round, swing for the fences, not do the same boring crap they always do. and if he flops who cares.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

It’s the 46th pick, the only way they waste it is by picking yet another long armed wing with potential to one day maybe hit a jump shot.

We interviewed very interesting players for 2nd round. Oni, Bone, Mann

Oni? The guy projected to go towards then end of the draft? Those guys aren’t interesting. A 7-6 shot blocker is interesting. Those other guys are basic.

Oni a 3 year guy who absolutely lit up the combine from 3 making 5 in 1 game. A career 35% from 3 on 5 attempts per and this last year he hit 37%. A 6'5" Wing with 6'10" wingspan who can actually shoot the ball isn't interesting to a team who can't shoot the basketball? I'm taking a chance on a 35% 3 point shooter who migth be able to get hot vs a 7'6" shot blocker. Nothing against Tacko but for the Magic I don't see a fit.

Guarantee if Tacko didn't go to UCF no one would be interested in him.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Actually we traded #25 to the Philadelphia 76ers for OKC's 2020 1st (top-20 protected) AND a 2020 2nd round draft pick.

That OKC pick + Jonathan Simmons were then traded for Markelle Fultz.

so we've pretty much received nothing of on court value yet, that's pretty cool! It's a merry go round of non value

what?

...using that logic then Philadelphia had wasted their pick with Embiid - who missed his two first seasons, and they had wasted another pick with Ben Simmons who also missed his 1st season...etc etc etc.

Philly at least knew those dudes were coming back and would likely come back 100%. Fultz's has neurogenic thoracic outlet syndrome which maybe can be cleared up by therapy or surgery with a big possibility of flare ups. Yeah Fultz has value but like I said it's on the basketball court, if he can't return for practice then he's wasted value.

At this point nothing that I've read or seen regarding Fultz gives me hope that he will be back ready to go.

[zaymon]

It’s the 46th pick, the only way they waste it is by picking yet another long armed wing with potential to one day maybe hit a jump shot.

We interviewed very interesting players for 2nd round. Oni, Bone, Mann

Oni? The guy projected to go towards then end of the draft? Those guys aren’t interesting. A 7-6 shot blocker is interesting. Those other guys are basic.

Slow footed, unskilled big man is interesting? I prefer athletic, long scorers with good handle :p

[ezzzp]

so we've pretty much received nothing of on court value yet, that's pretty cool! It's a merry go round of non value

what?

...using that logic then Philadelphia had wasted their pick with Embiid - who missed his two first seasons, and they had wasted another pick with Ben Simmons who also missed his 1st season...etc etc etc.

Philly at least knew those dudes were coming back and would likely come back 100%. Fultz's has neurogenic thoracic outlet syndrome which maybe can be cleared up by therapy or surgery with a big possibility of flare ups. Yeah Fultz has value but like I said it's on the basketball court, if he can't return for practice then he's wasted value.

At this point nothing that I've read or seen regarding Fultz gives me hope that he will be back ready to go.

Wow.

So an injured #1 pick that has already played in the NBA 680 minutes has no court value...but a #25 pick automatically does...ok

btw...Anzejs Pasecniks, the guy the Magic drafted for 76ers at trade has played zero total minutes in NBA and is still overseas...despite fact 76ers needed back up big.

[OrlandoDream]

what?

...using that logic then Philadelphia had wasted their pick with Embiid - who missed his two first seasons, and they had wasted another pick with Ben Simmons who also missed his 1st season...etc etc etc.

Philly at least knew those dudes were coming back and would likely come back 100%. Fultz's has neurogenic thoracic outlet syndrome which maybe can be cleared up by therapy or surgery with a big possibility of flare ups. Yeah Fultz has value but like I said it's on the basketball court, if he can't return for practice then he's wasted value.

At this point nothing that I've read or seen regarding Fultz gives me hope that he will be back ready to go.

wow.

He isnt wrong. Im not counting on Fultz being this breakout miracle star some fans expect. Read up about TOS and the long term implications and you will see why he will be out the league in 3-4 years. When was the last time you saw an update or a vid of Fultz on the court? Im telling you, the man is damaged goods. Dont bank too much on him. Thats why we are interested in all the FA PG like Kemab, DLO or trade for Jrue.

[ezzzp]

Philly at least knew those dudes were coming back and would likely come back 100%. Fultz's has neurogenic thoracic outlet syndrome which maybe can be cleared up by therapy or surgery with a big possibility of flare ups. Yeah Fultz has value but like I said it's on the basketball court, if he can't return for practice then he's wasted value.

At this point nothing that I've read or seen regarding Fultz gives me hope that he will be back ready to go.

wow.

He isnt wrong. Im not counting on Fultz being this breakout miracle star some fans expect. Read up about TOS and the long term implications and you will see why he will be out the league in 3-4 years. When was the last time you saw an update or a vid of Fultz on the court? Im telling you, the man is damaged goods. Dont bank too much on him. Thats why we are interested in all the FA PG like Kemab, DLO or trade for Jrue.

So you agree with him that the Fultz trade was a waste of #25 pick and Jonathan Simmons expiring? Sorry, I'm going to 100% disagree with both of you on that.

[j-ragg]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

[ezzzp]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

Trading a 25th pick for a future top 20 protected pick + 2020 2nd rounder is not a dumb trade. Its smart asset management and roster composition. Magic already had 3 rookies that season (Isaac, Iwundu and Birch) plus were already young to begin with.

Transactions like that are made EXACTLY to prepare for those type of scenarios...its quality asset management.

[j-ragg]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

Trading a 25th pick for a future top 20 protected pick + 2020 2nd rounder is not a dumb trade. Its smart asset management and roster composition. Magic already had 3 rookies that season (Isaac, Iwundu and Birch) plus were already young to begin with.

At that point the Magic has Isaac, no one else yet. There was obviously still value despite thoughts the draft flattened out. It being dumb is my own opinion, I doubt we’ll ever agree on that. We trade a #25 for the possibility of a 21-30 (if were lucky) pick years down the road. I guess I just don’t think it’s a good justification by using the Fultz trade, because he had very little value when we got him.

[OrlandoNed]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

Trading a 25th pick for a future top 20 protected pick + 2020 2nd rounder is not a dumb trade. Its smart asset management and roster composition. Magic already had 3 rookies that season (Isaac, Iwundu and Birch) plus were already young to begin with.

What's another rookie when you were the 6th worst team in the league?
I'd rather have Kuzma, White or Hart in addition to the other 3 rookies instead of a 2nd round pick that was (at the time) 3 years down the road and punting a late first back a year.

[ezzzp]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

Trading a 25th pick for a future top 20 protected pick + 2020 2nd rounder is not a dumb trade. Its smart asset management and roster composition. Magic already had 3 rookies that season (Isaac, Iwundu and Birch) plus were already young to begin with.

At that point the Magic has Isaac, no one else yet. There was obviously still value despite thoughts the draft flattened out. It being dumb is my own opinion, I doubt we’ll ever agree on that. We trade a #25 for the possibility of a 21-30 (if were lucky) pick years down the road. I guess I just don’t think it’s a good justification by using the Fultz trade, because he had very little value when we got him.

The Magic had 4 picks and already knew the roster was young. Plus they would have already scouted Birch and had him in their draft day strategy.

Transactions like that one are made specifically to have trade assets in case an opportunity like Fultz scenario pops up. That wasn't coincidental, it was strategic long term planning.

[ezzzp]

The trades were dumb at the time we did them. Just because we used them to buy low on Fultz doesn’t make them smart trades in retrospect.

Trading a 25th pick for a future top 20 protected pick + 2020 2nd rounder is not a dumb trade. Its smart asset management and roster composition. Magic already had 3 rookies that season (Isaac, Iwundu and Birch) plus were already young to begin with.

What's another rookie when you were the 6th worst team in the league?
I'd rather have Kuzma, White or Hart in addition to the other 3 rookies instead of a 2nd round pick that was (at the time) 3 years down the road and punting a late first back a year.

The main reason Magic were 6th worst team WAS because they were one of the youngest teams in the NBA. Young teams lose a lot, its not a secret, its just how the NBA works.

Cherry picking draft with benefit of hindsight is flawed argument. Why don't you list off the other players below that suck or aren't even in NBA? That's like saying Phoenix should have traded their #4 pick for Utah's #13 because Donavon Mitchell is better player than Josh Jackson.

I guarantee you guys saying it was bad transaction will blow it off as luck if Fultz turns into something...but it won't be luck, it will have been smart asset management that was prepared for opportunity.