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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#121 » by nanokooshball » Fri Jun 7, 2019 11:57 am

coldfish wrote:Not a big fan of making weed available to everyone. Most people can handle it fine but it does ruin some lives.

That said, it already is available to everyone. The fact that it is illegal makes it ruin even more lives. Instead of getting tax revenue from the sale of this crap we pay money to criminalize and incarcerate.

To add to this, the fact that alcohol is legal, which has similar if not worse issues with addiction and mental impairment makes it simply illogical for weed to be illegal.


As someone who works in healthcare, marijuana has no-where near the detrimental effect that alcohol does. Not, even, close. Marijuana, the worst it may do, is that it may make people a bit less motivated or have severe vomiting from severe over use. And, I've not seen a single death related to weed. I've seen hundreds of deaths related to alcohol.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#122 » by sporadiclee » Fri Jun 7, 2019 1:09 pm

I've worked in the legal cannabis industry since 2013. Currently, I'm a partner in a cannabis oil company that operates in OR, and we are in the process of expanding to CA for our THC products and internationally for our hemp products. I've also consulted with companies in over a dozen states.

The real winners with legalization are casual consumers, the IRS and ancillary businesses (lawyers, contractors, accountants, etc). The tax revenue will be more beneficial to all as the years go on, but a lot of it right now is going to fund the creation of regulatory orgs.

As for the increase in consumption, Oregon has only seen a 2% increase in cannabis consumers since legalization started. Cannabis has also been fairly ubiquitous out here for years, so access hasn't been an issue, but the fears of a max influx of consumers was unfounded. Other states have also seen similar results.

Quality of product, at least with flower, has actually gone down a bit, as businesses are still learning how to scale properly. Edibles and oils (vapes) are getting more and more market share in the process. Prices have also plummeted to ridiculous levels in states like Oregon that didn't put a license cap in place. Ounces of flower are regularly sold for $30-$50, and you can get 1-gram vape pens for $20, although the quality and safety of those products are highly debatable.

One huge and predictable criticism of the industry is its extreme lack of diversity on the higher levels. There is a false narrative going around about how this new industry is inclusive of all people, but the percentage of rich white dude executives is as high as any industry I have seen. Sadly, the people who pushed for legalization and supported this cause for decades were only cannon fodder who are getting wiped out quickly as more and more cash gets pumped into the industry.

Overall, though, the industry has simply blended in with normal society. People aren't hanging out outside of dispensaries smoking blunts, getting rowdy and driving recklessly. They are just shopping at the dispensaries like they would any other store.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#123 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:51 pm

It's funny how everyone always says it's available everywhere and easy to get. As I got older and started hanging around different people, I ran out of connections. I suppose I could ask around but that seems a little awkward and, frankly, I try to be law-abiding. I haven't smoked in 10 years. I must admit I'm excited to buy some again. I usually enjoyed it as long as it didn't get me too anxious and paranoid.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#124 » by League Circles » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:55 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:It's funny how everyone always says it's available everywhere and easy to get. As I got older and started hanging around different people, I ran out of connections. I suppose I could ask around but that seems a little awkward and, frankly, I try to be law-abiding. I haven't smoked in 10 years. I must admit I'm excited to buy some again. I usually enjoyed it as long as it didn't get me too anxious and paranoid.

It may be awkward to ask around, but FWIW people have been selling in the area through Craigslist ads for at least several years.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#125 » by ATRAIN53 » Fri Jun 7, 2019 4:57 pm

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ATRAIN53 wrote:I'm happy for a couple of reasons-

A big one is so that everyone can stop smoking these Chinese knock off vape pens that are full of all kinds of BS crap. I always wondered what was in some of those things. Being able to get the legit med one from shops just makes me cringe when I see people smoking unlabeled ones. Yes I see you guys all over the loop smoking that crap.

It should clear up the CBD confusion-
CBD extracted from HEMP plants has zero THC ans is the snake oil CDB they are selling at your local Walgreens.
CBD extracted from plants that have THC has the killer terpenes and those + CBD + THC is where you see actual medical benefits. They breed these low THC strains that are high in CBD now. This stuff is amazing, like 3:1 ratio. Terpene science is really the secret of all these strains and why this weed is beeter than that weed.

Illinois growers are KILLING it.
I have smoked everything imaginable for 30+ years. The law forced all the IL growers to basically start from scratch and they have grown amazing strains and all kinds of new crosses. You know how NAPA valley is famous for wine? IL growers like CRESCO, GTI, ATARXIA, REVOLOTION, NATURES GRACE and GRASSROOTS are gonna be household names when it comes to quality in weed. CRESCO is already branched out PA, OH and Vegas.

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They won't. The medical dispensaries will stay medical. Just like in Colorado they still have medical dispensaries. Medical is taxed less and has higher standards for purity and labeling accuracy.


gonna be in CO in a few weeks. Do they still take IL med cards at the med shops?
and can I come hang with you in that warehouse for a few hrs? :o


Spot on about the CBD carts.

Colorado medical shops will take your out of state card but they also have some really great high quality rec stores. One of the best medical shops in Denver is Standing Akimbo.

https://www.standingakimbodenver.com/

I highly recommend stopping in if you have your IL card.

If I still had a warehouse in Boulder, I would not have any problem with you hanging out. I sold out of my Colorado interests a while ago. That warehouse you see is in Alaska. I'm actually heading back up there tomorrow for 10 days. Going to go fishing and check out the farm. My next stop is New Jersey, but won't be for another couple of months. Going to oversee the opening of a 100k sq. ft. facility there.


Thanks man, I'll hit the Standing Akimbo, looks like some good med deals there. The wife wants to go shopping too, so we'll be visiting a lot of places. Also gonna hit a WSP show at Red Rocks I think. Kinda bummed UM is playing the weekend before we get there.

If you're in town 6/26- 6/30 and want to catch up, send me a PM and we'll exchange digits and talk Bulls/Budz/etc.....

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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#126 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:14 pm

ATRAIN53 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
ATRAIN53 wrote:I'm happy for a couple of reasons-

A big one is so that everyone can stop smoking these Chinese knock off vape pens that are full of all kinds of BS crap. I always wondered what was in some of those things. Being able to get the legit med one from shops just makes me cringe when I see people smoking unlabeled ones. Yes I see you guys all over the loop smoking that crap.

It should clear up the CBD confusion-
CBD extracted from HEMP plants has zero THC ans is the snake oil CDB they are selling at your local Walgreens.
CBD extracted from plants that have THC has the killer terpenes and those + CBD + THC is where you see actual medical benefits. They breed these low THC strains that are high in CBD now. This stuff is amazing, like 3:1 ratio. Terpene science is really the secret of all these strains and why this weed is beeter than that weed.

Illinois growers are KILLING it.
I have smoked everything imaginable for 30+ years. The law forced all the IL growers to basically start from scratch and they have grown amazing strains and all kinds of new crosses. You know how NAPA valley is famous for wine? IL growers like CRESCO, GTI, ATARXIA, REVOLOTION, NATURES GRACE and GRASSROOTS are gonna be household names when it comes to quality in weed. CRESCO is already branched out PA, OH and Vegas.



gonna be in CO in a few weeks. Do they still take IL med cards at the med shops?
and can I come hang with you in that warehouse for a few hrs? :o


Spot on about the CBD carts.

Colorado medical shops will take your out of state card but they also have some really great high quality rec stores. One of the best medical shops in Denver is Standing Akimbo.

https://www.standingakimbodenver.com/

I highly recommend stopping in if you have your IL card.

If I still had a warehouse in Boulder, I would not have any problem with you hanging out. I sold out of my Colorado interests a while ago. That warehouse you see is in Alaska. I'm actually heading back up there tomorrow for 10 days. Going to go fishing and check out the farm. My next stop is New Jersey, but won't be for another couple of months. Going to oversee the opening of a 100k sq. ft. facility there.


Thanks man, I'll hit the Standing Akimbo, looks like some good med deals there. The wife wants to go shopping too, so we'll be visiting a lot of places. Also gonna hit a WSP show at Red Rocks I think. Kinda bummed UM is playing the weekend before we get there.

If you're in town 6/26- 6/30 and want to catch up, send me a PM and we'll exchange digits and talk Bulls/Budz/etc.....

enjoy Alaska!


Yeah, buddy. Panic at Red Rocks is SPECIAL. Do not miss that. I've been to about a dozen Panic Red Rocks shows. I'm actually friends with Duane, their drummer. He's Derek Trucks brother. One of my good friends, Chad, started a band called the "Hard Working Americans" and Duane and Dave Schools, WSP's bass player are in it. Ironically, it all goes back to my Colorado days and Leftover Salmon (I've known those guys since the early 90's).

I've had the privilege of sitting back behind the stage on a rock and staring out at the crowd while Panic plays there. One of the coolest things I've done. The backstage at Red Rocks has a bunch of little caves. Best mid sized venue on the Planet. I would say it's the best but the Mish in Ft. Collins (Bellevue) is my all time favorite venue.

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Eat some mushrooms when you go to Panic at RR's. They are legal in CO now or at least they will be, they passed a law making them legal (at least de-criminalized), I know that much. Just a little, you don't have to get spun but a little micro-dose will do you some good and make it even more fun. Just don't drive!
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#127 » by madvillian » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:41 pm

sporadiclee wrote:I've worked in the legal cannabis industry since 2013. Currently, I'm a partner in a cannabis oil company that operates in OR, and we are in the process of expanding to CA for our THC products and internationally for our hemp products. I've also consulted with companies in over a dozen states.

The real winners with legalization are casual consumers, the IRS and ancillary businesses (lawyers, contractors, accountants, etc). The tax revenue will be more beneficial to all as the years go on, but a lot of it right now is going to fund the creation of regulatory orgs.

As for the increase in consumption, Oregon has only seen a 2% increase in cannabis consumers since legalization started. Cannabis has also been fairly ubiquitous out here for years, so access hasn't been an issue, but the fears of a max influx of consumers was unfounded. Other states have also seen similar results.

Quality of product, at least with flower, has actually gone down a bit, as businesses are still learning how to scale properly. Edibles and oils (vapes) are getting more and more market share in the process. Prices have also plummeted to ridiculous levels in states like Oregon that didn't put a license cap in place. Ounces of flower are regularly sold for $30-$50, and you can get 1-gram vape pens for $20, although the quality and safety of those products are highly debatable.

One huge and predictable criticism of the industry is its extreme lack of diversity on the higher levels. There is a false narrative going around about how this new industry is inclusive of all people, but the percentage of rich white dude executives is as high as any industry I have seen. Sadly, the people who pushed for legalization and supported this cause for decades were only cannon fodder who are getting wiped out quickly as more and more cash gets pumped into the industry.

Overall, though, the industry has simply blended in with normal society. People aren't hanging out outside of dispensaries smoking blunts, getting rowdy and driving recklessly. They are just shopping at the dispensaries like they would any other store.


Agree with everything here. As for the bolded, while lamentable, I'm not sure what can really be done. Most of the money coming in is from tech and tech is full of rich white dudes that cashed out from Microsoft and Amazon.

Your point about how weed was already rather ubiquitous out here is a good one: the transition to legal weed was pretty easy as it weed was already decriminalized and Seattle hadn't prosecuted a possession rap in decades. There wasn't any new cop training or anything it hasn't been a crime to smoke or possess anyways.

In Chicago I can imagine some massive cop pushback knowing that they can't just arrest people on nickle and dime possession charges anymore in order to "roll them up". There will be some problems most likely.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#128 » by johnnyvann840 » Fri Jun 7, 2019 5:53 pm

sporadiclee wrote:I've worked in the legal cannabis industry since 2013. Currently, I'm a partner in a cannabis oil company that operates in OR, and we are in the process of expanding to CA for our THC products and internationally for our hemp products. I've also consulted with companies in over a dozen states.

The real winners with legalization are casual consumers, the IRS and ancillary businesses (lawyers, contractors, accountants, etc).
The tax revenue will be more beneficial to all as the years go on, but a lot of it right now is going to fund the creation of regulatory orgs.

As for the increase in consumption, Oregon has only seen a 2% increase in cannabis consumers since legalization started. Cannabis has also been fairly ubiquitous out here for years, so access hasn't been an issue, but the fears of a max influx of consumers was unfounded. Other states have also seen similar results.

Quality of product, at least with flower, has actually gone down a bit, as businesses are still learning how to scale properly. Edibles and oils (vapes) are getting more and more market share in the process. Prices have also plummeted to ridiculous levels in states like Oregon that didn't put a license cap in place. Ounces of flower are regularly sold for $30-$50, and you can get 1-gram vape pens for $20, although the quality and safety of those products are highly debatable.

One huge and predictable criticism of the industry is its extreme lack of diversity on the higher levels. There is a false narrative going around about how this new industry is inclusive of all people, but the percentage of rich white dude executives is as high as any industry I have seen. Sadly, the people who pushed for legalization and supported this cause for decades were only cannon fodder who are getting wiped out quickly as more and more cash gets pumped into the industry.

Overall, though, the industry has simply blended in with normal society. People aren't hanging out outside of dispensaries smoking blunts, getting rowdy and driving recklessly. They are just shopping at the dispensaries like they would any other store.


Great post.

It's so true about the market saturation and prices being in the dirt. Alaska is the only place where prices have held up but there is also an $800/lb state excise tax there so even though a wholesale lb. is around $3200 it's really only $2400 to the producer (which is still great compared to anywhere else). OR is about the most saturated of all markets because of the massive amount of outdoor product that gets dumped each year. You're right about the quality going down, overall. The majority of product I've seen out there is just mid grade, at best.

Anyway, good luck with your venture. I think we are going to see at least a slight uptick in prices as more and more growers jump out of the industry. It's gotten extremely hard for the smaller and mid-sized operations to remain profitable anymore. I know wholesale prices in AZ have gone up a little recently and I've actually heard of shortages of AAA+++ product (at least flower) in several states.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#129 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:25 pm

I am trying to understand why people have to make reference to alcohol to justify the legalization of Marijuana. As far as I am concerned, they are both a problem to our society. Three months ago, I went to a 21yr old young man who happened to be the brother my seventeen year old son's classmate, and it was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Cause of death? Laced Marijuana. He was sold, unknowingly, laced Marijuana.

You see, Marijuana might not be a problem but in some instances people don't even know if what they are getting is even pure Marijuana. So many times people forget they had smoked a joint and go on to have a drink of alcohol, which often result in devastating consequences. When you couple that with the hallucination or bypolar side effects when people try to quit, it's a serious problem to our society.
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Post#130 » by Jcool0 » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:31 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:I am trying to understand why people have to make reference to alcohol to justify the legalization of Marijuana. As far as I am concerned, they are both a problem to our society. Three months ago, I went to a 21yr old young man who happened to be the brother my seventeen year old son's classmate, and it was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Cause of death? Laced Marijuana. He was sold, unknowingly, laced Marijuana.

You see, Marijuana might not be a problem but in some instances people don't even know if what they are getting is even pure Marijuana. So many times people forget they had smoked a joint and go on to have a drink of alcohol, which often result in devastating consequences. When you couple that with the hallucination or bypolar side effects when people try to quit, it's a serious problem to our society.


Sounds like a pretty good reason to legalize it
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#131 » by Evil_Headband » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:40 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:I am trying to understand why people have to make reference to alcohol to justify the legalization of Marijuana. As far as I am concerned, they are both a problem to our society. Three months ago, I went to a 21yr old young man who happened to be the brother my seventeen year old son's classmate, and it was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Cause of death? Laced Marijuana. He was sold, unknowingly, laced Marijuana.

You see, Marijuana might not be a problem but in some instances people don't even know if what they are getting is even pure Marijuana. So many times people forget they had smoked a joint and go on to have a drink of alcohol, which often result in devastating consequences. When you couple that with the hallucination or bypolar side effects when people try to quit, it's a serious problem to our society.


What are the devastating consequences of having a joint and a drink?
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Post#132 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:54 pm

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sporadiclee wrote:I've worked in the legal cannabis industry since 2013. Currently, I'm a partner in a cannabis oil company that operates in OR, and we are in the process of expanding to CA for our THC products and internationally for our hemp products. I've also consulted with companies in over a dozen states.

The real winners with legalization are casual consumers, the IRS and ancillary businesses (lawyers, contractors, accountants, etc). The tax revenue will be more beneficial to all as the years go on, but a lot of it right now is going to fund the creation of regulatory orgs.

As for the increase in consumption, Oregon has only seen a 2% increase in cannabis consumers since legalization started. Cannabis has also been fairly ubiquitous out here for years, so access hasn't been an issue, but the fears of a max influx of consumers was unfounded. Other states have also seen similar results.

Quality of product, at least with flower, has actually gone down a bit, as businesses are still learning how to scale properly. Edibles and oils (vapes) are getting more and more market share in the process. Prices have also plummeted to ridiculous levels in states like Oregon that didn't put a license cap in place. Ounces of flower are regularly sold for $30-$50, and you can get 1-gram vape pens for $20, although the quality and safety of those products are highly debatable.

One huge and predictable criticism of the industry is its extreme lack of diversity on the higher levels. There is a false narrative going around about how this new industry is inclusive of all people, but the percentage of rich white dude executives is as high as any industry I have seen. Sadly, the people who pushed for legalization and supported this cause for decades were only cannon fodder who are getting wiped out quickly as more and more cash gets pumped into the industry.

Overall, though, the industry has simply blended in with normal society. People aren't hanging out outside of dispensaries smoking blunts, getting rowdy and driving recklessly. They are just shopping at the dispensaries like they would any other store.


Agree with everything here. As for the bolded, while lamentable, I'm not sure what can really be done. Most of the money coming in is from tech and tech is full of rich white dudes that cashed out from Microsoft and Amazon.

Your point about how weed was already rather ubiquitous out here is a good one: the transition to legal weed was pretty easy as it weed was already decriminalized and Seattle hadn't prosecuted a possession rap in decades. There wasn't any new cop training or anything it hasn't been a crime to smoke or possess anyways.

In Chicago I can imagine some massive cop pushback knowing that they can't just arrest people on nickle and dime possession charges anymore in order to "roll them up". There will be some problems most likely.


Oakland requires half of all commercial marijuana sales licenses to go to people with previous weed convictions and sets them up with low interest loans to start their own dispensaries.

Nothing will match the millions of dollars that tech bros can throw at distribution ... but it’s a start, I guess.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#133 » by dougthonus » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:09 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:I am trying to understand why people have to make reference to alcohol to justify the legalization of Marijuana. As far as I am concerned, they are both a problem to our society. Three months ago, I went to a 21yr old young man who happened to be the brother my seventeen year old son's classmate, and it was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Cause of death? Laced Marijuana. He was sold, unknowingly, laced Marijuana.

You see, Marijuana might not be a problem but in some instances people don't even know if what they are getting is even pure Marijuana. So many times people forget they had smoked a joint and go on to have a drink of alcohol, which often result in devastating consequences. When you couple that with the hallucination or bypolar side effects when people try to quit, it's a serious problem to our society.


The situation you described here is resolved by legalization and regulation and only occurs due to the criminalizing the product. It isn't to say there aren't other problems with potential vices. There are many vices out there that can cause potential problems. It's just that this particular problem only exists because it is illegal.

If you added up the number of deaths due to unhealthy eating, fast foods, and sugar, I'd guess it is off the charts compared to pot. That said, I don't really care if people cause there own death. That said, what is important to me is that I don't pay for people's individual vices. I care most when people's vices impact the rest of society through crime, welfare, medical payments, or direct physical harm to people. Pot seems unlikely to influence those things.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#134 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:19 pm

Legalizing Marijuana does not negate the fact bad batches of Marijuana will always be on the market. If anything it maximizes the risk, because it will be readily available. Don't need to say much about the devastating consequences of mixing Marijuana with alcohol, because the reports are on the net for everyone to read. The battle for legalization of Marijuana is the result of corporate greed.

ALBANY — Police in upstate New York are warning of dangerous street drugs after marijuana laced with fentanyl was confiscated in a parking lot and three people were found unconscious in a car in a separate incident.

The Sullivan County Sheriff's Office says marijuana confiscated in a Walmart parking lot in the town of Thompson Monday tested positive for fentanyl, which has played a role in numerous overdose deaths. The sheriff's office says it was the first time the powerful opiate was found in marijuana in the area.

In a separate incident Thursday in Albany County, Sheriff Craig Apple says first responders revived three people who had overdosed in a car in the middle of a road



https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-fentanyl-marijuana-20190412-yunty6yigjfdvcju2lg3tvyhxe-story.html
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Post#135 » by JimmyJammer » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:27 pm

It's fair to also say that most those advocating for legalization of Marijuana would not know the difference between pure weed and laced weed until you get a hit.
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Post#136 » by Red8911 » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:39 pm

I don’t think this is a great idea.They should of just have kept it illegal but be lenient about it. Now most kids in their late teens will most likely smoke weed, it will be the popular thing to do. Let’s not forget this is a gateway drug to the other “stronger” ones like cocaine, Heroin. One day weed isn’t enough for them so they move on to the next level. I know a lot people smoke anyway illegally but now there will be a lot more.
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Post#137 » by dougthonus » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:42 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:Legalizing Marijuana does not negate the fact bad batches of Marijuana will always be on the market. If anything it maximizes the risk, because it will be readily available. Don't need to say much about the devastating consequences of mixing Marijuana with alcohol, because the reports are on the net for everyone to read. The battle for legalization of Marijuana is the result of corporate greed.


If a corporation sells you laced weed and you die, the corporation is sued for millions of dollars, has recalls and goes out of business. This is a problem with non-legalized weed. I mean, I'm not sure how you could even begin to argue that point. If you want to talk about other dangers, then go right ahead, but laced/fake drugs are clearly exclusively a problem due to lack of regulation and criminalizing the product that are minimized (and likely go away nearly entirely) with legalization.

As for the potential to cause problems mixing pot and alcohol, so what? There are problems mixing many legal over the counter drugs and alcohol. Are you also going to make benedryl illegal? Do you want to go back to prohibition and make alcohol illegal? That was a fricken disaster. The fact that two legal things can be mixed and cause a dangerous reaction isn't an argument to make either of them illegal.
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Post#138 » by Jcool0 » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:53 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:Legalizing Marijuana does not negate the fact bad batches of Marijuana will always be on the market. If anything it maximizes the risk, because it will be readily available. Don't need to say much about the devastating consequences of mixing Marijuana with alcohol, because the reports are on the net for everyone to read. The battle for legalization of Marijuana is the result of corporate greed.

ALBANY — Police in upstate New York are warning of dangerous street drugs after marijuana laced with fentanyl was confiscated in a parking lot and three people were found unconscious in a car in a separate incident.

The Sullivan County Sheriff's Office says marijuana confiscated in a Walmart parking lot in the town of Thompson Monday tested positive for fentanyl, which has played a role in numerous overdose deaths. The sheriff's office says it was the first time the powerful opiate was found in marijuana in the area.

In a separate incident Thursday in Albany County, Sheriff Craig Apple says first responders revived three people who had overdosed in a car in the middle of a road



https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-fentanyl-marijuana-20190412-yunty6yigjfdvcju2lg3tvyhxe-story.html


Not sure how this makes your point? All i see is someone selling bad weed in a parking lot.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#139 » by dougthonus » Sat Jun 8, 2019 5:58 pm

Red8911 wrote:I don’t think this is a great idea.They should of just have kept it illegal but be lenient about it. Now most kids in their late teens will most likely smoke weed, it will be the popular thing to do. Let’s not forget this is a gateway drug to the other “stronger” ones like cocaine, Heroin. One day weed isn’t enough for them so they move on to the next level. I know a lot people smoke anyway illegally but now there will be a lot more.


In states with legalization, statistics doesn't back up the idea that there will be a lot more (at least so far).

The gateway drug has been argued a lot, but I think it is far worse as a gateway drug while illegal. Especially when you consider the above that use isn't going up significantly where legalized. While it is illegal, you need to have a hook up to get it and that hook up will also likely have other drugs (or know of people who do) which allows you to step into these drugs easier.

As a legal drug, the biggest seller for drug dealers will be gone and the risk/reward for drug dealers will be considerably worse as well as the total revenue available. This will push a massive amount of drug dealers out of the market making it far fewer people selling those other drugs as well as people who just want to try pot no longer having access to drug dealers easily.

We will see how it plays out, because there are arguments on both sides.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#140 » by DuckIII » Sat Jun 8, 2019 6:13 pm

Jimmy, your arguments are bad. The “laced weed” argument has already been debunked. Black market sales is what creates that danger.

As for mixing weed and alcohol, the problem is the alcohol whether the weed is there or not. I smoked weed and drank alcohol together, quite a bit, in my youth. As I got older and it became a risk to my career and required more effort to acquire, I stopped smoking weed.

I kept drinking alcohol. Legal. Socially acceptable. Certainly professionally acceptable in my line of work. Became an alcoholic. Got a physical awhile back for an additional life insurance policy and was rejected because my liver enzymes were approximately 15x the maximum limit at which an insurance company will give you a policy. Because anything over that and you are at too high of a risk for death. I wasn’t 1% over the limit, which still would have denied me the policy. I was 1,500% over the limit. I was commiting incremental suicide through drinking.

But I kept drinking. Read an article that said the liver is resilient and can bounce back from alcohol abuse. That was enough rationalization for me. I could always just quit “later.” Objective medical results, doctors and the insurance industry told me I was quite literally killing myself. I was married and had three young kids. Great career. Plenty to lose. Drinking mattered more.

15 months ago I drove my 10 year old son 11 miles to soccer practice, drunk. I had to have someone drive him home for me because I picked up a bottle of bourbon after I dropped him off and couldn’t walk by the time practice was over and it was time to go back and get him. Two days later I went to rehab, quit drinking and now go to AA once a week and am training to be a volunteer addiction counselor.

There are millions of people with alcoholism stories like mine, many of which have a tragically different ending. Alcoholism is a form of insanity, in the end. You might think other things matter to you, but you’ll risk everything you ever cared about, including your own life, to convince yourself you can keep drinking. Your job. Every relationship you have. Your life. The lives of others. Everything you own. Everything.

Marijuana, objectively, scientifically, does not do any of these things to the human body or mind except in extraordinarily rare instances. On the other hand, excessive and repeated alcohol use will virtually certainly lead to addiction and death. And hopefully only the death of the addict, instead of also a family on their way to the movies getting t-boned by a drunk running a light.

It’s okay that you don’t know what you are talking about. But I do know. And I’m here to inform you of what is true.
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