The GSW Fan Who Shoved Lowry is a Part Owner

[Courtside]

The guy was out of line, but these fines and suspensions and suggestions he be forced to sell his shares are a total overreaction.

If I'm a customer, and I came to your office tomorrow and assaulted you, I'd probably get arrested and banned from entering your premises. Also whatever business we had would have been nullified.

From my understanding you seem to have an angle with these issues and that's fine but I'd like to know how you would have handled the situation differently.

If you're going to try to get technical, then the guy who did the shoving was in his own place of business (as part owner). Comparing it to an office is also silly, since there is an entirely different set of activities going on.

This was a sporting event where it's not uncommon for the players themselves to shove and swear at each other. In the playoffs, tensions are further heightened. Contact between players and those is the courtside seats is an understood possibility, not so in an office. In either case, a push into someone shoulder and some cursing is inappropriate, and should be addressed in the proper manner. Yes, that means being escorted from the building and being asked not to return, kind of like an unruly customer at a bar. If things are heated in some way or it constitutes an assault, then a call to the police may be warranted, sometimes not. Adults can come to their own resolutions sometimes, and in the case of a sporting event, the rules are set in place and agreed to.

The guy did not throw a punch, kick or spit at Lowry, so I don't think his actions constitute an assault. They do constitute a step beyond the agreed lines between players and fans and the suitable response to that is A) ejection B) a ban from the premises. This person happened to be a member of the organization, so a higher standard is needed, therefore public apologies, a fine from the league and likely charitable donation will happen. Combined with the public embarrassmnent, this is well above and beyond what a normal shove and profanity would typically earn the offending person. He crossed the line and has been suitably punished.

What more do you want, and why?

[Double Bubble]

No, he's going to feel like a man for defending a helpless woman who had just been tackled by a professional athlete with no apology or consideration.

Mark Stevens did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, he did the right thing. In Mark Stevens' situation, I would feel neither proud nor ashamed. I would feel like I had simply done what was right.

What apology or consideration is she owed? She was in his way (and the back of her ticket literally says to not be surprised by this happening) and he's doing his job.

Again, demonic legalese from lawyers. In reality, when you tackle two women at top speed, someone's going to get angry. That should be in his contract, also.

Exactly champ. Had it been a low value male like yourself there'd be no need to be upset, sadly it was a woman instead and thus a complete outrage

[deeps6x]

Did LeBron's comments come up in the discussion?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-06/billionaire-warriors-owner-barred-games-after-shoving-raptors-player

He has been 'quite' until now.

[GordanFreeman]

Now I kind of wish Lowry punched him

That'd be the worst possible scenario. Our title hopes would go down the drain.
Imo, the fan shouldn't be banned for life nor should he have to sell his shares (lol ppl are actually calling for this). He should be banned from sitting courtside though.

[LastRide]

Yeah that guy had no right to shove Kyle, and its been dealt with. I don't want Kyle making a huge deal out of this. Focus should be on Game 4 right now. Too much whining and bitching going on. Just worry about the next game. Don't act like an ass. Makes the whole team look bad.

[GordanFreeman]

Serge Ibaka would have thrown punches.

Ibaka would have swung at him with his 3rd leg and knocked him out cold.

[GordanFreeman]

Guys please ignore kmacinthepost. Here's just a poster with only a few posts all related to this topic so it looks like he's created this account for the purpose of trolling people on a sensitive topic and has derailed the thread.

I put him on ignore and ask mods to ban him. It certainly has crossed the line with some of his comments

OK, so just ban anyone with a different point of view.

Why not just respond to the substance of my posts? What is wrong with having a civil debate with MULTIPLE POINT OF VIEW? Censorship at it's finest. Anyone who disagrees is a "troll."

Stfu and gtfo out you weasel. Go back into your hole and don't come out until the finals are done.

[GQStylin]

Lowry kept his cool, fool! If he lost it, the old man would be in hospital or we would be talking about Lowry being banned for the series. This is not a nothing incident. You don't leave this type of stuff in grey area and open to interpretations or you have another malice at the palace incident on your hand. 0 tolerance.

Did he really? Lowry was certainly heated afterwards and wanted something done instead of shrugging it off and letting it go. It was a light shove on the shoulder and it was done in the heat of the moment, which is something that alot of people might do. I don't think harsh punishments should be handed out for things that are done in the heat of the moment especially when its as minor as this. If you want to ban him for the rest of the finals that's fine, but a one year ban and calls for a permanent ban for some minor crap like that?

That's just plain dumb and it shows how stupid things have gotten in this world where every little mistake needs to be punished to the maximum extent possible unless you're perhaps apart of certain groups that get more leeway on things.

[GQStylin]

wait, what? It is not about the power behind the shove nor the age of the man in question. He put his hand on a player in a hostile manner. A line has to be drawn, basketball is just a game, but incidents like this may escalate and in the heat of the moment other fans/players may feel the need to step in (not like this hasnt happened before in the nba...)

It was a heat of the moment reaction and people do and say alot of things in the heat of the moment that they regret later. Relatively speaking this wasn't a big deal and it should've been settled with a warning or even banned from the rest of the finals and that's it. But its UTTERLY STUPID to get a one year ban and have calls for him to be perma banned or even forced to sell his interest in the team over a minor incident such as this.

This is why I'm only a Raps fan these days and I don't even bother watching anything else NBA. Between having only a few competitive teams in the league and the league itself turning into a SJW joke, its really lost me as a fan outside of the Raps when I was such a big fan 10-20 years ago.

[Johnny Bball]

The guy was out of line, but these fines and suspensions and suggestions he be forced to sell his shares are a total overreaction.

If I'm a customer, and I came to your office tomorrow and assaulted you, I'd probably get arrested and banned from entering your premises. Also whatever business we had would have been nullified.

From my understanding you seem to have an angle with these issues and that's fine but I'd like to know how you would have handled the situation differently.

If you're going to try to get technical, then the guy who did the shoving was in his own place of business (as part owner). Comparing it to an office is also silly, since there is an entirely different set of activities going on.

This was a sporting event where it's not uncommon for the players themselves to shove and swear at each other. In the playoffs, tensions are further heightened. Contact between players and those is the courtside seats is an understood possibility, not so in an office. In either case, a push into someone shoulder and some cursing is inappropriate, and should be addressed in the proper manner. Yes, that means being escorted from the building and being asked not to return, kind of like an unruly customer at a bar. If things are heated in some way or it constitutes an assault, then a call to the police may be warranted, sometimes not. Adults can come to their own resolutions sometimes, and in the case of a sporting event, the rules are set in place and agreed to.

The guy did not throw a punch, kick or spit at Lowry, so I don't think his actions constitute an assault. They do constitute a step beyond the agreed lines between players and fans and the suitable response to that is A) ejection B) a ban from the premises. This person happened to be a member of the organization, so a higher standard is needed, therefore public apologies, a fine from the league and likely charitable donation will happen. Combined with the public embarrassmnent, this is well above and beyond what a normal shove and profanity would typically earn the offending person. He crossed the line and has been suitably punished.

What more do you want, and why?

Yeah, what was done seems reasonable. On one condition. The suspension was from the league. The fine was from the Warriors. The fine should be the charitable donation to whatever Lowry picks. And he hasn't apologized, but I assume that will be done quietly.

[anotherhomer]

The mod has announced he's been suspended. The guy was clearly trolling with some intentionally inflammatory statements

Guys please ignore kmacinthepost. Here's just a poster with only a few posts all related to this topic so it looks like he's created this account for the purpose of trolling people on a sensitive topic and has derailed the thread.

I put him on ignore and ask mods to ban him. It certainly has crossed the line with some of his comments

OK, so just ban anyone with a different point of view.

Why not just respond to the substance of my posts? What is wrong with having a civil debate with MULTIPLE POINT OF VIEW? Censorship at it's finest. Anyone who disagrees is a "troll."

Stfu and gtfo out you weasel. Go back into your hole and don't come out until the finals are done.

[Vlade Divac]

Yes, but they are cash cows for all NBA teams. I would take these seats even if I know that 240 athlete would run into me trying to save the ball. 100 times out of 100! Would you?


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I agree with you & unfortunately in this case money will win over logic. Of course I would want that seat! But if I brought my kid or wife & one of them got smashed I'd quickly regret it.

Even the players would suffer psychologically if they injured a fan. Could you imagine a fan suffering a major brain injury or a spinal cord injury? Lowry would never get over it. It would haunt him for a long time.

My perspective is more from the players safety standpoint though. If they were truly interested in player safety, they would set things up differently.

Theoretically your concerns are legit. But practically really not an issue. We probably had THOUSANDS of dives like that only in last few years. Not a single fan or a player got injured after that. After seeing some of them it’s really hard to explain how’s that possible, but it is what it is - the real victims were only spilled drinks or food.

Real issue was fan-player interaction in such a close proximity, but never because of dives but because of other agendas - to mention just a few we saw this year - Lowry last night; Westbrook or case in Utah. Even famous Malice in the Palace was not because of the dives. I had a privilege to sit court side twice in my life and despite the fact that we were **** back then and that the games were not that important and exciting, NOTHING beats that experience and feel. Because of that and other financial reasons I would never change it, nor I see NBA and teams do it.

[J-Roc]

More important is the "Beyhive" has caused the wife of the main owner to cry. Warriors have all kinds of shenanigans to deal with while we cruise to the championship.

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[agentzero2010]

I guess Drake’s courtside antics or shenanigans aren’t so bad after all?

[YogiStewart]

two things.
1. day after, the focus is on the incident and not on the Raptors' win. not sure if this is a good or bad thing. but yeah. raptors won and can go up 3-1 tonight. that's the news
2. kicking the owner out? correct call. suspending him for the rest of the playoffs? the correct call. making him sell his shares? idunno...it wasn't that gregarious of a foul. his apology was stupid. but i don't know if he should be forced to sell his shares. this pales in what Sterling did

[kalel123]

I disagree strongly with one-year ban.

If this was anybody else, the person would be banned for life. IMO BECAUSE he's a part-owner and should've known better, punishment should be more severe but instead, he's getting less.

To err is human, to forgive is divine. I wouldn't want any fan banned for life for that action. It was dumb, but the action itself wasn't egregious enough to warrant a lifetime ban. No fan would have to pay a 500K penalty, so he's paying. A year seems fair to me.

It wasn't egregious enough because he was a 50/60 year-old man. Suppose it's a 6-foot-6 300 lbs man whose push could likely result in real meaningful consequences to Lowry, then what? The end doesn't justify the means. It's the action that needs to be punished regardless of consequences because you'd have a bad precedence if something similar happens but with a real consequence.

Also, there's already a precedence set where they gave a fan a lifetime ban in Utah who said some derogatory stuff to Russell Westbrook without any physical altercation. Now this minority owner or investor in GS who did not only say derogatory stuff to Kyle Lowry but physically pushed him as hard as he could manage, only gets 1 year ban because he has enough money to try to pay his way out with $500,000? If this was just a normal fan, he would've gotten a lifetime ban without question. I know this because it has already happened. Now you are basically saying that people with enough money can get away with a BS and I thought NBA was sensitive to that type of wrong messages. I guess not.

[kalel123]

Lowry kept his cool, fool! If he lost it, the old man would be in hospital or we would be talking about Lowry being banned for the series. This is not a nothing incident. You don't leave this type of stuff in grey area and open to interpretations or you have another malice at the palace incident on your hand. 0 tolerance.

Did he really? Lowry was certainly heated afterwards and wanted something done instead of shrugging it off and letting it go. It was a light shove on the shoulder and it was done in the heat of the moment, which is something that alot of people might do. I don't think harsh punishments should be handed out for things that are done in the heat of the moment especially when its as minor as this. If you want to ban him for the rest of the finals that's fine, but a one year ban and calls for a permanent ban for some minor crap like that?

That's just plain dumb and it shows how stupid things have gotten in this world where every little mistake needs to be punished to the maximum extent possible unless you're perhaps apart of certain groups that get more leeway on things.

You arguing that there's something wrong with Lowry's reaction makes everything else you have to say worthless. I don't know how anybody can criticize how Lowry handled the whole incident without having something seriously wrong up there.

[And1Skip]

Lowry kept his cool, fool! If he lost it, the old man would be in hospital or we would be talking about Lowry being banned for the series. This is not a nothing incident. You don't leave this type of stuff in grey area and open to interpretations or you have another malice at the palace incident on your hand. 0 tolerance.

Did he really? Lowry was certainly heated afterwards and wanted something done instead of shrugging it off and letting it go. It was a light shove on the shoulder and it was done in the heat of the moment, which is something that alot of people might do. I don't think harsh punishments should be handed out for things that are done in the heat of the moment especially when its as minor as this. If you want to ban him for the rest of the finals that's fine, but a one year ban and calls for a permanent ban for some minor crap like that?

That's just plain dumb and it shows how stupid things have gotten in this world where every little mistake needs to be punished to the maximum extent possible unless you're perhaps apart of certain groups that get more leeway on things.

Wow that says something about "a lot of people" if you think you they may have done the same and gave Lowry a light shove on that play. Do players dive for loose balls for the sole purpose of causing harm and injury to the fans sitting at courtside? There is nothing wrong that Kyle did on that play that would have triggered anyone sitting at courtside to be angry about other than the fact that Kyle is on the other team. It's not like the owner looked back to see if anyone was hurt either. The look on him when made the shove was that he was not happy that Kyle ran into his personal space area which was his wife's chair. Yes, you're rich and you own a part of the company but you are not entitled to that space when a situation like that happens. Why wasn't anyone else in that vicinity mad about Kyle diving in there? Because they didn't have that mindset that they were bigger than the players. This is the owner of the company and to him, the players no matter what team they are on work for him. That's the mindset that shouldn't exist. They really need to stop calling these people "owners".

[rrdjutriurt]

Now I kind of wish Lowry punched him

That would have been a devastating loss if Lowry punched him and to his credit he kept his head because he could have easily lost it when Stevens was egging him on. That's the grave danger to the player of the whole incident.

People were hating on Drake when he moved out of the way of a diving player and now as it turns out he probably did the right thing because who knows if you might hurt a player accidently while trying to save him especially with all the press he was getting.

[And1Skip]

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