Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

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I love Mitch, better keep him

Kornet trying to teach Mitch how to golf like his girlfriend. haha

[HarthorneWingo]

Updated future odds #Gambling
#NBA  Where Will Kyrie Irving Play Game 1 2019-20 NBA Season

Knicks -150

Nets +150

Celtics +1000

Lakers +1000

Mavericks +1600

Clippers +2000

Yeah, dose are da right numbahs. Der legit too.

[drekwins]

Does that really matter for his legacy? Kawhi just took a team that was a joke in the playoffs to the finals and on the brink of winning a championship. GS will always be a 73 win team and a finals champion without KD. 'no matter what he does with GS, his legacy will never reach the level of some of his peers.

THIS!

KD has proven his point, so he'd be stupid to return now. THEY NEED HIM and everybody knows it. If he goes back and loses, the "We don't need you" argument returns. Plus, it's still Steph's team. His best bet is to move on now reveling in the knowledge that he was vindicated.

Not really, although Curry is the face of Warriors' franchise.

Durant is the undisputed best/most valuable player for Warriors.

They're 8-1 with Durant in NBA-Finals, but 3-1 w/o him since 2017.

Is he though? They went 5-7 without Steph this year. Without Durant, they went 3-1 in the regular season and 6-3 in the playoffs include 2 series wins over very good teams. I don't think they'd even be in the finals if KD was playing and Steph was the one hurt.

If they close it out, the finals is a big boost to Kawhi's legacy. It doesn't hurt Stephs nearly as much as people say. Is Durant physically a freak? Yes. He's great. But, Steph's pace and offensive pressure leads to more wins.

[moocow007]

THIS!

KD has proven his point, so he'd be stupid to return now. THEY NEED HIM and everybody knows it. If he goes back and loses, the "We don't need you" argument returns. Plus, it's still Steph's team. His best bet is to move on now reveling in the knowledge that he was vindicated.

Not really, although Curry is the face of Warriors' franchise.

Durant is the undisputed best/most valuable player for Warriors.

They're 8-1 with Durant in NBA-Finals, but 3-1 w/o him since 2017.

Is he though? They went 5-7 without Steph this year. Without Durant, they went 3-1 in the regular season and 6-3 in the playoffs include 2 series wins over very good teams. I don't think they'd even be in the finals if KD was playing and Steph was the one hurt.

If they close it out, the finals is a big boost to Kawhi's legacy. It doesn't hurt Stephs nearly as much as people say. Is Durant physically a freak? Yes. He's great. But, Steph's pace and offensive pressure leads to more wins.

Well according to the stats Durant has contributed more to the Warriors wins than Curry. And honestly right now many people consider Durant the best player in the NBA. He's certainly the most difficult to contain offensively. And the reason the Warriors are down 1-3? They're having problems scoring.

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[drekwins]

Not really, although Curry is the face of Warriors' franchise.

Durant is the undisputed best/most valuable player for Warriors.

They're 8-1 with Durant in NBA-Finals, but 3-1 w/o him since 2017.

Is he though? They went 5-7 without Steph this year. Without Durant, they went 3-1 in the regular season and 6-3 in the playoffs include 2 series wins over very good teams. I don't think they'd even be in the finals if KD was playing and Steph was the one hurt.

If they close it out, the finals is a big boost to Kawhi's legacy. It doesn't hurt Stephs nearly as much as people say. Is Durant physically a freak? Yes. He's great. But, Steph's pace and offensive pressure leads to more wins.

Well according to the stats Durant has contributed more to the Warriors wins than Curry. And honestly right now many people consider Durant the best player in the NBA. He's certainly the most difficult to contain offensively. And the reason the Warriors are down 1-3? They're having problems scoring.

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The reason that they're down 3-1 is turnovers and missed FTs. It doesn't simply have to do with scoring. And if Steph was out, and KD were to take his place, who's to say that he'd have an easier time against Kawhi? I get that people think KDs better than Steph but you have to take it with a grain of salt. KD can pop in and out of the game with buckets. It's different when you are the team, have creating-for-others responsibilities and don't have the best shooter of all time to keep the defense honest. Steph is without a doubt sacrificing for KD. Klay as well. KD is a GREAT shooter who can get his shot off over anyone. But, Steph is a great orchestrator of their pace, movement and overall pressure. If he were not there, I don't think they'd even be in finals... I don't think they'd even make it to the conference finals. They're not nearly as good without Steph. KD is an extra piece and great shooter. Steph is their identity.

[KnicksGadfly]

Right now, I have Kawhi's achievements in the playoffs as much more impressive than KD's achievements. Don't really care that KD hit a game clinching 3 against Lebron in the finals, if Lebron was carrying his team, while KD was sharing his burden.

[3eePointGoal]

If anyone is still pushing the Kawhi to Knicks thing at this point is either in denial or trolling.

Kawhi will not leave Toronto.

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I don’t think Kawhi is emotionally tied to any team/place, let alone anyone. I have no idea what his intentions are this summer.

Kawhi's sole emotional attachment is to his personal collection of hand-selected gummi bears, but you would never know about that, because he keeps them between his mattress and box spring and only speaks about them to his imaginary best friend Deluxe, a palomino pony that lives in his shoe closet.

Lmfaooo

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[spree2kawhi]

It seems like many guys are headed somewhere else. This team (which is clearly underwhelming compared to anything I'd hope for) could be the best outcome:

Kemba
Dotson
Frank
Tobias
AD


AD is a trade that we should really be able to make. 3rd pick, DSJ, Knox + Mitch would get it done I think.

Maybe we'd think about swallowing Holiday's contract into one max slot in the process. Even more underwhelming. Kemba, Jrue, AD. Good, but oh boy.. the expectations have been higher. Would you do any of these moves?

If you’re assuming based on recent rumors that everyone is heading elsewhere, then you should stay consistent with the fact Kemba not coming either based on rumors. Look at the previous page.

I was looking at each player's situation and now assume that Kemba might be the only player with a motive too change something. Think about it.

[Juco24]

Interesting read from a Pelicans beat writer suggests (my takeaway) that an AD trade comes down to 4 teams...

1. Lakers. While the team likes Ingram (is he truly healthy?) there is pressure from within the organization to NOT trade Davis to LA. (no secret there)

2. Clippers. They're not putting SGA on the table for talks... since that's not happening-Pelicans not taking them seriously.

3. Celtics. Pelicans want Tatum! This is the trade they make if Boston puts him on the table. To me, Boston would be silly to do so but with the report that they could've had Kawhi if they'd parted with Brown surfacing... Do they start 2nd guessing themselves? IDK

4. Knicks. Apparently others don't view our youngsters as high as some of us do... SURPRISE!!!! lol. In any case the writer suggests MR as a starting point but also suggests Robinson's upside is limited because of his inability to shoot (somewhat has a point - time will tell). And a serious offer would include Frank, Knox and DSJ and while the writer didn't mention picks... you'd have to assume that this year's 1st (Barrett) would HAVE TO BE included.

As many here have stated/suggested... I think (know) we have the assets to do a trade for AD but at what cost??? And will the Celtics top us by including Tatum???

21 days...

[GEOLINK]

Why would the Celtics trade for AD after his camp put it out there he won’t be resigning with them?

[Thugger HBC]

I don't see Boston doing that, but it would be an interesting team to watch.

[ForzaMetro]

Why would the Celtics trade for AD after his camp put it out there he won’t be resigning with them?

Paul George staying and Kawhi Leonard winning the Raptors a championship might embolden GM’s to gamble. Ainge also has to be taking some heat for not cashing in assets when he had a distinct advantage over the rest of the league. He doesn’t seem like a guy who would respond to pressure, especially since it seems like his job is safe, but you never know. Also, maybe he thinks if he makes the trade on draft night before free agency, he could coax Irving into staying.

[iLLmatic860]

Why do you guys think DSJ value is so low? I know he is a bad shooter and can make alot of turnovers but i still think he has alot of promise and we didnt even get to see him healthy last season.

[Juco24]

Why would the Celtics trade for AD after his camp put it out there he won’t be resigning with them?

Paul George staying and Kawhi Leonard winning the Raptors a championship might embolden GM’s to gamble. Ainge also has to be taking some heat for not cashing in assets when he had a distinct advantage over the rest of the league. He doesn’t seem like a guy who would respond to pressure, especially since it seems like his job is safe, but you never know. Also, maybe he thinks if he makes the trade on draft night before free agency, he could coax Irving into staying.

Agreed. The fans of Boston can become restless real fast.... like NY

[spree2kawhi]

Right now, I have Kawhi's achievements in the playoffs as much more impressive than KD's achievements. Don't really care that KD hit a game clinching 3 against Lebron in the finals, if Lebron was carrying his team, while KD was sharing his burden.

I guess Kyrie was on vacation or took a break to play baseball.

[Juco24]

Why do you guys think DSJ value is so low? I know he is a bad shooter and can make alot of turnovers but i still think he has alot of promise and we didnt even get to see him healthy last season.

Two words: Rick Carlisle (not saying he's a bad coach but he and DSJ didn't fit). DSJ is not a system PG. Luca made DSJ irrelevant - Carlisle didn't find a way to make it work and the perception league wide became DSJ was the problem. Obviously the problem couldn't have been Carlisle... Right???

[ForzaMetro]

Why do you guys think DSJ value is so low? I know he is a bad shooter and can make alot of turnovers but i still think he has alot of promise and we didnt even get to see him healthy last season.

Two words: Rick Carlisle (not saying he's a bad coach but he and DSJ didn't fit). DSJ is not a system PG. Luca made DSJ irrelevant - Carlisle didn't find a way to make it work and the perception league wide became DSJ was the problem. Obviously the problem couldn't have been Carlisle... Right???

I was going to answer “because he’s a Knick.” We took heat for not drafting him, up until the day we acquired him, at which point he became no longer an asset.

But your answer is the less cynical, more accurate one, lol.

I don’t rate DSJ highly, but I still think he has value around the league to the right team. I think he’d be interesting alongside Jrue if he ended up going to the Pelicans in an AD trade.

[KnicksGadfly]

Right now, I have Kawhi's achievements in the playoffs as much more impressive than KD's achievements. Don't really care that KD hit a game clinching 3 against Lebron in the finals, if Lebron was carrying his team, while KD was sharing his burden.

I guess Kyrie was on vacation or took a break to play baseball.

Curry
Lebron
Green
Klay

vs

KD
Love
Kyrie

If you switch the teams around, I think there's a clear disparity here in terms of talent. Don't know if you disagree, but I like my chances if we create a forum poll. KD basically took over for a brick-laying, choking Harrison Barnes on a championship winning roster. KD relying on a 73 games winning, 2016 championship winning Warriors core and then hitting a jump shot means ****.

[spree2kawhi]

Why do you guys think DSJ value is so low? I know he is a bad shooter and can make alot of turnovers but i still think he has alot of promise and we didnt even get to see him healthy last season.

Two words: Rick Carlisle (not saying he's a bad coach but he and DSJ didn't fit). DSJ is not a system PG. Luca made DSJ irrelevant - Carlisle didn't find a way to make it work and the perception league wide became DSJ was the problem. Obviously the problem couldn't have been Carlisle... Right???

I was going to answer “because he’s a Knick.” We took heat for not drafting him, up until the day we acquired him, at which point he became no longer an asset.

But your answer is the less cynical, more accurate one, lol.

I don’t rate DSJ highly, but I still think he has value around the league to the right team. I think he’d be interesting alongside Jrue if he ended up going to the Pelicans in an AD trade.

The league has seen many players with very good leaping ability. Where are James White, Fred Jones, Stromile Swift or Darius Miles when players are inducted into the HOF every year?

DSJ is a turnover waiting to happen, doesn't provide any value off the ball, is a bad decision maker who plays lousy defense and cannot shoot. There's literally nothing that warrants a starting job in the NBA.

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