2019 Draft Discussion

[Lwcasu]

Obviously Kemba is the best player amongst the group, I thought that was a given. I thought we were talking about young players on their respective rosters. I read the Knicks board and they are so excited about Mitchell Robinson, potentially the best young rim protector in the league plus Knox, plus number three, plus DSJ, plus the potential to sign some free agents or take the youth that they’ve acquired and trade it for AD. It sounds to me like you were content being mediocre As long as that mediocrity bears an 8th seed playoff spot and being swept in the first round. I want more and I have the patience for it. And you are correct, teams win on skill. And the Charlotte hornets have less skill and talent than virtually every other team in the NBA.

There is a huge disconnect in your arguments, counterarguments, and original thesis. I never said anything about young players on a roster. I said our team was in a position to easily get back in the playoffs and based on rankings is better than 11 other teams in the league. You tried to turn this into an argument based on potential. You then agree with my skill statement and say we are the worst in skill. Yet your justification for skill is to name guys from other teams with potential who haven’t shown the consistency required. The way you structured that just doesn’t make sense.

Obviously, that’s not shown in our record, so the NBA must be rigging our games according to your statements? Or did we just mysteriously win games last year?

And yes, if we started to make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed with the potential to knock off a first round team I’d be very excited about our teams future. That’s a trend in a positive direction!

Last thing is I think it’s sad you brought up Knox. That guy was benched last year and played like crap. Miles Bridges is much better.

What does “based on rankings” mean? Ranked where and by whom? The fact that you would be happy with an eighth seed just tells me that you are content being irrelevant and mediocre. Go over to the Pistons board and see how they enjoyed being an eight seed year in and year out. And OK fine I will give you bridges over Knox, but I would take Robinson over bridges any day of the year and the Knicks have the number three pick in the draft. I just don’t understand how you think that the hornets have a talented roster. Honestly I feel like that’s just a completely delusional viewpoint. Other than Kemba there is not one player on the team that is even remotely star quality And if he leaves? Forget about it, this team will be utterly atrocious and be lucky to win 25 games. We will just have to agree to disagree completely about the talent level of the current roster.

Rankings like our record. Come on I said 11 teams in front. You're not using reading inference.

Part of your argument before is based on with our current skill level we will be one of the worst in the league next year. Now you’ve changed the wording to say if Kemba leaves we will not win more than 25 games.

Taking Kemba away is a big difference, but having him adds to our overall talent level. To say the Knicks or Hawks are better than us with Kemba is pretty difficult to defend.

[Braggins]

Doumbouya is the dream pick at 12, but there is virtually no chance of him being there at 12. He is more likely to go top 5 than to make it past 10.

I don't like Kevin Porter. I can see the appeal, but the 52% free throw shooting is a major red flag and he reminds me of Ben Mclemore for some reason.

I wouldn't mind Jaxson Hayes, but I don't think he would be a very exciting pick at 12. We do need a center, but I don't think the position is very important in general and there are centers who will be available in the late 1st round that seem just as good as Hayes to me.

[Lwcasu]

Doumbouya is the dream pick at 12, but there is virtually no chance of him being there at 12. He is more likely to go top 5 than to make it past 10.

I don't like Kevin Porter. I can see the appeal, but the 52% free throw shooting is a major red flag and he reminds me of Ben Mclemore for some reason.

I wouldn't mind Jaxson Hayes, but I don't think he would be a very exciting pick at 12. We do need a center, but I don't think the position is very important in general and there are centers who will be available in the late 1st round that seem just as good as Hayes to me.

Spot on. Even if you don’t like Doumbouya, someone is gonna fall in love with his wingspan, height for position, and skill set. He will not be there.

I completely agree with Porter and I’m not very excited about Hayes. Could be a good player but never got the hype for lottery. Why is he so high up the board but Bruno Fernando isnt? Just doesn’t make sense.

Regardless, we could do much worse than both those centers.

[gundysmullet]

Doumbouya is the dream pick at 12, but there is virtually no chance of him being there at 12. He is more likely to go top 5 than to make it past 10.

I don't like Kevin Porter. I can see the appeal, but the 52% free throw shooting is a major red flag and he reminds me of Ben Mclemore for some reason.

I wouldn't mind Jaxson Hayes, but I don't think he would be a very exciting pick at 12. We do need a center, but I don't think the position is very important in general and there are centers who will be available in the late 1st round that seem just as good as Hayes to me.

Someone is going to bank on the fact that he turns it to the next Siakam or Giannis.

[UNCNYC]

I have no idea what to think of Troy Baxter. He by far has more athleticism than anyone in the draft. Seems to have good fundamentals but yet he just averages like 10 for florida gulf coast. He has good size height wise. I really like him tho and if he goes undrafted I want to invite him to camp. Here is one of his amazing dunks.

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[Braggins]

Doumbouya is the dream pick at 12, but there is virtually no chance of him being there at 12. He is more likely to go top 5 than to make it past 10.

I don't like Kevin Porter. I can see the appeal, but the 52% free throw shooting is a major red flag and he reminds me of Ben Mclemore for some reason.

I wouldn't mind Jaxson Hayes, but I don't think he would be a very exciting pick at 12. We do need a center, but I don't think the position is very important in general and there are centers who will be available in the late 1st round that seem just as good as Hayes to me.

Spot on. Even if you don’t like Doumbouya, someone is gonna fall in love with his wingspan, height for position, and skill set. He will not be there.

Apparently hes put on 20 lbs of muscle in the past year and he looks more athletic than ever, which is a good sign for his physical development. He also has a great motor and work ethic. Hes definitely rough around the edges in some areas and will need plenty of development, but the combination of shooting/touch + athletic/physical profile + age + motor and work ethic, gives him a high ceiling and floor imo.

I completely agree with Porter and I’m not very excited about Hayes. Could be a good player but never got the hype for lottery. Why is he so high up the board but Bruno Fernando isnt? Just doesn’t make sense.

Regardless, we could do much worse than both those centers.

I'm not really in love Fernando, but I would still probably rather take him at 36 than take Hayes at 12, unless they really think Hayes is that much better than other players available at 12 and they can't find a good trade back scenario. We're stuck with Cody and Biz for at least one more season and likely WHG as well. Marv also will be playing some minutes at the 5. It seems perfectly fine to take a project center with a later pick and there will be quite a few of those available in the 20-35 range. There are lots of intriguing wings in the late lottery to mid 1st range that Id rather target.

[BigSlam]

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rb likes hayes... so if we pass on him and he turns out to be good, expect to never hear the end of it from rb. just like booker and mitchell and sga.

Remember when he spent the summer riding Len’s nuts prior to the draft, during the draft, after the draft and into Len’s rookie season?

Hasn’t said boo about Len since his rookie season and since Len appeared to be a bust though.


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[gundysmullet]

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rb likes hayes... so if we pass on him and he turns out to be good, expect to never hear the end of it from rb. just like booker and mitchell and sga.

Remember when he spent the summer riding Len’s nuts prior to the draft, during the draft, after the draft and into Len’s rookie season?

Hasn’t said boo about Len since his rookie season and since Len appeared to be a bust though.


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Len played great for Atlanta this past season.

[BigSlam]

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rb likes hayes... so if we pass on him and he turns out to be good, expect to never hear the end of it from rb. just like booker and mitchell and sga.

Remember when he spent the summer riding Len’s nuts prior to the draft, during the draft, after the draft and into Len’s rookie season?

Hasn’t said boo about Len since his rookie season and since Len appeared to be a bust though.


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Len played great for Atlanta this past season.

He’s a 5th overall pick in his 6th season who has maxed out at averaging 11ppg and 5rpg in his most recent season who’s played all 6 of his seasons on very ordinary teams where’s he’s had ample opportunity.

It would appear you and I have very different definitions of “great”.

By your definition Cody has been better than great.

Biz has also been good to great.

Willy? Great.

You get my point....



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[Diop]

i am only happy with drafting Bol Bol if we draft Maker Maker next year.

[Benjamin Linus]

I don't know who takes Jaxson Hayes ahead of us. PHO, CHI, and MIN already have their centers. ATL seem deadset on building a super modern team, can't see them spending a lottery pick on a nonshooting center. So that leaves Washington at 9. I can see this dude falling on draft night

[gundysmullet]

Remember when he spent the summer riding Len’s nuts prior to the draft, during the draft, after the draft and into Len’s rookie season?

Hasn’t said boo about Len since his rookie season and since Len appeared to be a bust though.


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Len played great for Atlanta this past season.

He’s a 5th overall pick in his 6th season who has maxed out at averaging 11ppg and 5rpg in his most recent season who’s played all 6 of his seasons on very ordinary teams where’s he’s had ample opportunity.

It would appear you and I have very different definitions of “great”.

By your definition Cody has been better than great.

Biz has also been good to great.

Willy? Great.

You get my point....



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If Len was a hornet he would be the best big on the team

[Bassman]

Hayes is already projected as our pick in at least one mock draft. I think he could be a good project pick for the future and good value for a 12th pick.

[JDR720]

Len played great for Atlanta this past season.

He’s a 5th overall pick in his 6th season who has maxed out at averaging 11ppg and 5rpg in his most recent season who’s played all 6 of his seasons on very ordinary teams where’s he’s had ample opportunity.

It would appear you and I have very different definitions of “great”.

By your definition Cody has been better than great.

Biz has also been good to great.

Willy? Great.

You get my point....



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If Len was a hornet he would be the best big on the team

that says more about our bigs than it does about len.

[gundysmullet]

He’s a 5th overall pick in his 6th season who has maxed out at averaging 11ppg and 5rpg in his most recent season who’s played all 6 of his seasons on very ordinary teams where’s he’s had ample opportunity.

It would appear you and I have very different definitions of “great”.

By your definition Cody has been better than great.

Biz has also been good to great.

Willy? Great.

You get my point....



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If Len was a hornet he would be the best big on the team

that says more about our bigs than it does about len.

Ha! Fair enough

[LofJ]

Hayes' poor rebounding numbers alarm me. I hope Mitch looks for a big in the 2nd round.

[Lwcasu]

www.nba.com/amp/league/article/2019/05/03/texas-big-man-jaxson-hayes-potential-overload

Pretty good article on Hayes. Apparently he hasn’t been playing basketball long. Good FT shooter. They didn’t let him shot jumpers at Texas. Dad was an NFL TE.

[KingCat]

At this point, I think I am fine with taking anyone in our range besides Washington or Clarke. I don’t think this draft is bad at all it just isn’t a draft with a bunch of sure talent which is why I find it so interesting to follow. This is a draft with a ton of potential sleeper picks like a Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Jokic, Siakam etc. I am certain 1-3 players selected in our range is gonna end up being a allstar caliber player whether that be a Rui, Bitaze, Porter, Bol, or more. We have a history of letting allstar talent fall right past us, so here’s to praying that the basketball gods finally grant us with a young stud this draft

[LofJ]

I'm starting to talk myself into Rui Hachimura. He reminds me a lot of Donovan Mitchell between the ears and that is a very good thing. He also has a great foundation of athleticism and skill to expand upon just like Mitchell did coming out.

And speaking of Mitchell, the NBA is a man's league full of dedicated professionals. To reach the top it isn't enough to have the necessary athleticism and skills to compete. You also have to be confident AND intelligent. A lot of otherwise good players are intelligent, but their lack of confidence severely limits them (see MKG).

Additionally, on the flipside there are no shortage of players who think they're good enough to be the next MJ/Lebron but lack the intelligence to recognize their limitations and play smart, winning basketball (see Lance Stephenson).

Players that have both and also develop their skills to a high level almost always find success in the NBA. If you check those boxes and you also have good to great size and/or athleticism you have what it takes to reach the upper echelon of success in the NBA (see Kemba).

For these reasons if NAW is off the board I'm now leaning towards taking Hachimura over Little and Langford.

[predators]

Dream scenario we swing for the fences on Demoyou (Sp? not gonna look it up) or Langford. Would only be disappointed in Clarke (who I think will be the pick.) & Hayes.