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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#161 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Jun 9, 2019 9:15 pm

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Thats a broad brush. Ive never seen a connection, my experience is certainly different. Notable exception is conceal carry types, they almost never smoke and or drink while packing (legal reasons), but ive hever heard them voice anti weed or alchohol comments, they just don't partake.

Just look at who voted for it, and who didn't.

It ain't exactly states like Alabama and Mississippi legalizing weed.


I'll just have to trust that your opinion is infallible, thanks for the enlightenment.

I mean, you can give all the personal anecdotes you want, the actual people with power who vote on these things have pretty damn clear tendencies. You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see what those tendencies are. The maps of gun restrictions and weed restrictions are almost the inverse of each other.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#162 » by AKfanatic » Sun Jun 9, 2019 9:38 pm

Crazy how the strongest opinions against legalization state the need for those for legalization to be educated, while showing zero actual education about marijuana.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#163 » by AKfanatic » Sun Jun 9, 2019 9:48 pm

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Leslie Forman wrote:Just look at who voted for it, and who didn't.

It ain't exactly states like Alabama and Mississippi legalizing weed.


I'll just have to trust that your opinion is infallible, thanks for the enlightenment.

I mean, you can give all the personal anecdotes you want, the actual people with power who vote on these things have pretty damn clear tendencies. You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see what those tendencies are. The maps of gun restrictions and weed restrictions are almost the inverse of each other.


The state i’m currently in passed their “constitutional carry” while voting against 4 marijuana propositions over the past election.

I’m unable to work right now do to severe neck and back problems, but in the place I was most recently employed I was surrounded by what you’d call the Fox News, Trump, NRA base. Now I won’t pretend that these guys represent all of the entire gun rights demographic, though I’d bet their a pretty good representation, but all of them are exactly as “Leslie” paints them.....AR-15 buying, Carrying in Walmart, and 100% against marijuana for the most absurd, uneducated reasons you’d ever hear.....

But let’s be real, the GOP is the party that caters to the NRA and it’s also the party that has been against marijuana for a very long time. You can find RW news railing against Colorado’s legalization of marijuana as well as RW politicians speaking against it. It makes sense that the base that tunes into those messages would fall in line with their party’s messaging.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#164 » by R3AL1TY » Sun Jun 9, 2019 11:40 pm

With all the industrial and economic benefits of hemp, I always found it strange how a good percentage of the conservative crowd aren't at least open to legalizing marijuana. I know a portion of the recreational crowd can give it a bad look with the chase of breeding stronger strains to get you higher, with lacing, being lazy or being an addict, but that shouldn't be the primary focus.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#165 » by 9Rodman1 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:01 am

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9Rodman1 wrote:Had it once or twice years ago and till this day I still feel the mental side effects that come with it (anxiety attacks etc)

Wish I never touched it and wish more people knew that it's not a completely harmless drug

I agree people should be educated that it's not completely harmless, but I would guess it would be difficult to firmly establish a cause and effect impact of trying weed once or twice being responsible for a lifetime of anxiety attacks. Perhaps you were going to have those anyway due to a myriad of factors.


Never had any anxiety issues until the day I started smoking it
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#166 » by Ccwatercraft » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:04 am

AKfanatic wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
I'll just have to trust that your opinion is infallible, thanks for the enlightenment.

I mean, you can give all the personal anecdotes you want, the actual people with power who vote on these things have pretty damn clear tendencies. You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see what those tendencies are. The maps of gun restrictions and weed restrictions are almost the inverse of each other.


The state i’m currently in passed their “constitutional carry” while voting against 4 marijuana propositions over the past election.

I’m unable to work right now do to severe neck and back problems, but in the place I was most recently employed I was surrounded by what you’d call the Fox News, Trump, NRA base. Now I won’t pretend that these guys represent all of the entire gun rights demographic, though I’d bet their a pretty good representation, but all of them are exactly as “Leslie” paints them.....AR-15 buying, Carrying in Walmart, and 100% against marijuana for the most absurd, uneducated reasons you’d ever hear.....

But let’s be real, the GOP is the party that caters to the NRA and it’s also the party that has been against marijuana for a very long time. You can find RW news railing against Colorado’s legalization of marijuana as well as RW politicians speaking against it. It makes sense that the base that tunes into those messages would fall in line with their party’s messaging.


I frankly I only know three or four people that are against marijuana and that includes a ton of people that have never smoked.

We passed medical in florida pretty easily, 70% recreational isnt far off. During the same election Trump won, rubio won, my house rep won by 30%. The only people I know that we're against marijuana where the parents of major stoners.

Illinois is just passing this now as of 2020, did Illinois just recently turn liberal?

Give it time and damn near all the states are going to fall in line.

Personally I think the Feds should solve the problem for us all.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#167 » by NZB2323 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:15 am

AKfanatic wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
I'll just have to trust that your opinion is infallible, thanks for the enlightenment.

I mean, you can give all the personal anecdotes you want, the actual people with power who vote on these things have pretty damn clear tendencies. You'd have to have your head in the sand to not see what those tendencies are. The maps of gun restrictions and weed restrictions are almost the inverse of each other.


The state i’m currently in passed their “constitutional carry” while voting against 4 marijuana propositions over the past election.

I’m unable to work right now do to severe neck and back problems, but in the place I was most recently employed I was surrounded by what you’d call the Fox News, Trump, NRA base. Now I won’t pretend that these guys represent all of the entire gun rights demographic, though I’d bet their a pretty good representation, but all of them are exactly as “Leslie” paints them.....AR-15 buying, Carrying in Walmart, and 100% against marijuana for the most absurd, uneducated reasons you’d ever hear.....

But let’s be real, the GOP is the party that caters to the NRA and it’s also the party that has been against marijuana for a very long time. You can find RW news railing against Colorado’s legalization of marijuana as well as RW politicians speaking against it. It makes sense that the base that tunes into those messages would fall in line with their party’s messaging.


Tom Tancredo, a right wing congressman from Colorado who is super anti illegal immigration, endorsed Colorado legalizing weed. Libertarian leaning republicans like Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, and Rand Paul are for gun rights and drug legalization for the same reasons - freedom and the failure of prohibition because of black markets.

I don’t know what state you’re in, but there are lots of people who are for gun rights and drug legalization.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#168 » by R3AL1TY » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:40 am

Yeah, the libertarians are the only ones of the right wing and conservative crowd that I know are loud when it comes to drug legalization.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#169 » by League Circles » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:23 am

9Rodman1 wrote:
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9Rodman1 wrote:Had it once or twice years ago and till this day I still feel the mental side effects that come with it (anxiety attacks etc)

Wish I never touched it and wish more people knew that it's not a completely harmless drug

I agree people should be educated that it's not completely harmless, but I would guess it would be difficult to firmly establish a cause and effect impact of trying weed once or twice being responsible for a lifetime of anxiety attacks. Perhaps you were going to have those anyway due to a myriad of factors.


Never had any anxiety issues until the day I started smoking it

Not trying to tell you about your body, and it very well may have been what has caused your anxiety attacks..... Or it may not be. One of my best friends tried it in high school once or twice, felt the same way, swore off of it, tried again at least a decade later and occasionally enjoyed it without anxiety.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#170 » by League Circles » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:28 am

I can only speak for myself and some friends on this, but I and many of my friends are pro legalization and pro gun rights at some level.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#171 » by Truebiscuit » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:17 am

9Rodman1 wrote:
League Circles wrote:
9Rodman1 wrote:Had it once or twice years ago and till this day I still feel the mental side effects that come with it (anxiety attacks etc)

Wish I never touched it and wish more people knew that it's not a completely harmless drug

I agree people should be educated that it's not completely harmless, but I would guess it would be difficult to firmly establish a cause and effect impact of trying weed once or twice being responsible for a lifetime of anxiety attacks. Perhaps you were going to have those anyway due to a myriad of factors.


Never had any anxiety issues until the day I started smoking it


Could be the strain you smoked... there are certain strains that are designed to treat anxiety.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#172 » by dice » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:29 am

League Circles wrote:I can only speak for myself and some friends on this, but I and many of my friends are pro legalization and pro gun rights at some level.

the strong majority are in favor of gun rights at some level. the last time the majority of americans wanted handguns banned was probably in the early '60s. which is ironic given that that was prior to the social liberalization of society. goes to show the power of the gun industrial complex
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#173 » by dougthonus » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:28 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I don’t know what state you’re in, but there are lots of people who are for gun rights and drug legalization.


I'm probably moderate left when it comes to social agenda, though I'm somewhat pro-gun. I do think there should be very highly regulated though and the process towards getting a gun should be as heavily scrutinized as the process of getting TSA-precheck or something similar.

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