Kyrie Irving Goodbye Thread

[Taget]

Either way he's playing for a new team. No way we'd re-sign him and stay pat. Also the media is very ESPN driven and they tend to follow narratives dictated from the top and regurgitate it on all their shows and platforms. We'll know how it all shakes down in short order.

Losing a perennial all-star for nothing is never a good thing.

[Zeroforwinger]

Who is this new girlfriend and will she factor into his decision? I believe she is from Cali.

Spoiler:

Marlene Wilkerson from Compton, CA

https://playerwiveswiki.com/nba/marlene-wilkerson-top-facts-kyrie-irvings-girlfriend/

She’s an Instagram influencer? I don’t think my eyes can roll anymore

[chrisab123]

The guy is odd no doubt, but he's a clear #2 star. People in here are getting emotional because he had a bad playoff series and said some stuff.

You lose Kyrie, you lose him for nothing and you can kiss goodbye any new banners being raised anytime soon. Definitely not something any Celtics fan should be rooting for.

exactly. you can understand that kyrie acts like a jack ass and is a diva but understand him being here allows us to make a trade that puts us closer to a banner. even more so he leaves and the cap space is gone- we don't get a max slot to sign someone. just makes no sense to want him gone because you don't like him.

everything ainge worked for over the past rebuild is right in front of our faces this summer ( the ability to pair a top 10-15 player with a top 5-7 player) and it all goes to **** the minute kyrie walks.

the only people TOO EMOTIONAL are the ones who let their hate for kyrie the person and how he acts in the media blind them to the fact that we can put together a championship roster quicker with him than without.

He's not a dirt dog. He's not a grinder. Its already a steep hill to climb to win Boston fans over if you don't fit that profile. The only way you can overcome it is win a title.

[Curmudgeon]

Either way he's playing for a new team. No way we'd re-sign him and stay pat. Also the media is very ESPN driven and they tend to follow narratives dictated from the top and regurgitate it on all their shows and platforms. We'll know how it all shakes down in short order.

Losing a perennial all-star for nothing is never a good thing.

It's a great thing in this case.

Kyrie just isn't that good. His game is significantly flawed. He's selfish on offense, dances with the ball way too much, and mediocre at best on defense.

Watch Kawhi Leonard play. He gets the ball and makes his move. He shoots it, heads for the rim or passes to a teammate. There is no wasted time or motion. He reacts immediately. He's light years ahead of Kyrie as an offensive player, never mind defense and rebounding. And that's on top of Kyrie's obvious failure as a leader. In fact he alienated the young players; his influence was negative.

It astonishes me that people who otherwise seem to have normal intelligence continue to overrate the guy.

[MagicBagley18]

The guy is odd no doubt, but he's a clear #2 star. People in here are getting emotional because he had a bad playoff series and said some stuff.

You lose Kyrie, you lose him for nothing and you can kiss goodbye any new banners being raised anytime soon. Definitely not something any Celtics fan should be rooting for.

exactly. you can understand that kyrie acts like a jack ass and is a diva but understand him being here allows us to make a trade that puts us closer to a banner. even more so he leaves and the cap space is gone- we don't get a max slot to sign someone. just makes no sense to want him gone because you don't like him.

everything ainge worked for over the past rebuild is right in front of our faces this summer ( the ability to pair a top 10-15 player with a top 5-7 player) and it all goes to **** the minute kyrie walks.

the only people TOO EMOTIONAL are the ones who let their hate for kyrie the person and how he acts in the media blind them to the fact that we can put together a championship roster quicker with him than without.

He's not a dirt dog. He's not a grinder. Its already a steep hill to climb to win Boston fans over if you don't fit that profile. The only way you can overcome it is win a title.

Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. Find the dirt dogs off the scrap heap. Find the grinders in free agency. Get me top end talent

[Curmudgeon]

Kyrie is not top end talent. Not even close. Deal with it.

[Taget]

Either way he's playing for a new team. No way we'd re-sign him and stay pat. Also the media is very ESPN driven and they tend to follow narratives dictated from the top and regurgitate it on all their shows and platforms. We'll know how it all shakes down in short order.

Losing a perennial all-star for nothing is never a good thing.

It's a great thing in this case.

Kyrie just isn't that good. His game is significantly flawed. He's selfish on offense, dances with the ball way too much, and mediocre at best on defense.

Watch Kawhi Leonard play. He gets the ball and makes his move. He shoots it, heads for the rim or passes to a teammate. There is no wasted time or motion. He reacts immediately. He's light years ahead of Kyrie as an offensive player, never mind defense and rebounding. And that's on top of Kyrie's obvious failure as a leader. In fact he alienated the young players; his influence was negative.

It astonishes me that people who otherwise seem to have normal intelligence continue to overrate the guy.

We'll put aside arguments over whether this team is better off with him or not. Given he's probably gone anyway it is probably academic.

He has very high perceived value in the league. If we had offered him straight up to SA for Kawhi they would've jumped all over that. Even getting 50 percent of Kyrie's perceived worth would have been a home run. Given how fast Danny has been to offer players he sees as slight risks in trades it seems head scratching that Danny did not better explore the market at the trade deadline.

I suggested awhile back tongue in cheek but if we weren't getting AD just to screw with everyone else we should send KI to New Orleans for Jrue and a future first rounder (obviously not Zion this year). That's better than what we're faced with getting right now. Nothing.

[Jaqua92]

Kyrie is not top end talent. Not even close. Deal with it.

But he's the perfect #2, goodluck getting top tier talent without him. It's astounding how people think we still can win a title without him and/or AD

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[MagicBagley18]

Kyrie is not top end talent. Not even close. Deal with it.

Righhhhtt says the guy who wants Rubio to be the starter....but 2nd team all nba isn’t top end talent. get real your hatred for a player blinds you to his talent. Separate the 2 and be objective you. You can’t.

[Curmudgeon]

Rubio isn't the offensive player that Kyrie is, no question. Kyrie sells tickets.
But Rubio will make Tatum and Brown better. Kyrie won't.
It's a team game. Read my signature.

[MagicBagley18]

Rubio isn't the offensive player that Kyrie is, no question. Kyrie sells tickets.
But Rubio will make Tatum and Brown better. Kyrie won't.
It's a team game. Read my signature.

the guy in your sig jerry west tried to tried for Kyrie and having kyrie raises the chances that an AD trade happens and he stays.

Yet Bill Parcells who had LT who killed team chemistry and was nuts and in trouble with the law but Parcells looked the other way bc of his exceptional play and talent. Same Bill Parcells who routinely looked the other way when guys could play and did so in every stop be it- Dallas jets giants.

Read your sig, not Impressed. Rubio won’t make the team better. Your living in an alternate reality. You can hate kyrie but still see the Path to a ring is easier here with him. Rubio blows.

[Curmudgeon]

There is no path to a ring with Kyrie unless the Celtics also obtain LeBron. Kyrie is a path to the repeater tax, not a ring. I'd suggest trying to sell all of your #11 Celtics jerseys at a yard sale.

[Edug27]

There is no path to a ring with Kyrie unless the Celtics also obtain LeBron. Kyrie is a path to the repeater tax, not a ring. I'd suggest trying to sell all of your #11 Celtics jerseys at a yard sale.

Also no path to a title in any of the other scenarios you mentioned over the last few weeks. Owners would prefer to atleast benefit off the popularity of Kyrie im sure.

[Ed Pinkney]

There is no path to a ring with Kyrie unless the Celtics also obtain LeBron. Kyrie is a path to the repeater tax, not a ring. I'd suggest trying to sell all of your #11 Celtics jerseys at a yard sale.

I tend to agree with you here. I was not a Kyrie fan before he came to the Celtics, and I am even less of a fan of him now. I feel the "Kyrie increases the chances of winning a championship" argument can only really be quantified as raising that chance from a pretty small number to a slightly less small number. And even then, I am not convinced that argument is a particularly sound one and a large number of teams in the league would have a similar chance of winning.

I wouldn't mind picking up a cheap Dana Barros or Evan Turner jersey in a yard sale though.

[celticfan42487]

DLo's cap hold is only $21M - less than his max. Renouncing/non-guaranteeing everyone but him, Nets have ~$47M in cap.

If you S&T Kyrie for Dinwiddie, Harris, they have just enough room for another 7-9 year max of $32.7. Middleton or Vuc fit easily. Or not a full max for Tobias\Butler. Then they sign DLo. I kinda hate this team, but if they're into it...

Kyrie, DLo, Middleton, Kurucs, Allen
LeVert, Musa, pick


Then trade Smart/Tatum/Williams/Yabu/picks for AD:

Rozier, Brown, Hayward, AD, Baynes
Dinwiddie, Harris, Semi, Horford
FA
Picks.


You could also take LeVert & #27 back and they'd be super close to full 10 year max. But, I thought that might be a tad unrealistic...

Kyrie, DLo, Kurucs, KD, Allen
Musa, Pinson

I think their plan is to convince Pelicans to wait and they trade DLo for AD.

Kyrie, Butler/KD, AD. Enjoy your ring.

[MagicBagley18]

There is no path to a ring with Kyrie unless the Celtics also obtain LeBron. Kyrie is a path to the repeater tax, not a ring. I'd suggest trying to sell all of your #11 Celtics jerseys at a yard sale.

Again your lack of foresight is disturbing and laughable at best. Kyrie comes back we get AD that’s the start of what you need.

I can promise you it won’t be Ricky Rubio so you can stop growing your man bun right now

[fallguy]

Kyrie's the 15th-20th best guy in basketball on the court. He's pretty good despite all his problems.

Not a superstar though. He is replaceable. And someone you can improve upon on-court.

The single best argument for Kyrie is AD. Which is a problem.

[Curmudgeon]

I have no interest in one year of AD. Isn't one year of "will he stay or will he go" enough for you?

[ddb]

I have no interest in one year of AD. Isn't one year of "will he stay or will he go" enough for you?

Go get AD. Kyrie will stay, especially after KD just tore his ACL. Kyrie is taking that 5 year max deal bro. Boston fans are the best in the world. Best sports city in the world. AD will stay

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[fallguy]

I have no interest in one year of AD. Isn't one year of "will he stay or will he go" enough for you?

Go get AD. Kyrie will stay, especially after KD just tore his ACL. Kyrie is taking that 5 year max deal bro. Boston fans are the best in the world. Best sports city in the world. AD will stay

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Very possibly. Lakers are going to have to add cap-killing contracts this summer to keep LeBron happy. Which would mean a rougher path for AD to join an aging LeBron next summer...