2019 NBA draft part deux

[KGdaBom]

Hayes, Redish and Hunter are the guys I could see falling (in that order).

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Hunter was the best player on the best team in the NCAA last year. He scored 22 points in the second half and OT in the Championship game. He held Culver to 5-22 shooting or Texas Tech is the Champions. Physically imposing. Is he perfect no, but I would be all over him at pick 11.

[Killboard]

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Hunter was the best player on the best team in the NCAA last year. He scored 22 points in the second half and OT in the Championship game. He held Culver to 5-22 shooting or Texas Tech is the Champions. Physically imposing. Is he perfect no, but I would be all over him at pick 11.

And it wouldn't be a bad pick at all in this draft class. But he also is 22 years old. If his physical tools are as good as advertized (hard to believe 7'2 wingspan) then I wouldnt worry as much about his age. But you also have to consider trades. He likely wont be a playmaker at the next level and if we have a shot to a good one I would go all in.

[KGdaBom]

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Hunter was the best player on the best team in the NCAA last year. He scored 22 points in the second half and OT in the Championship game. He held Culver to 5-22 shooting or Texas Tech is the Champions. Physically imposing. Is he perfect no, but I would be all over him at pick 11.

And it wouldn't be a bad pick at all in this draft class. But he also is 22 years old. If his physical tools are as good as advertized (hard to believe 7'2 wingspan) then I wouldnt worry as much about his age. But you also have to consider trades. He likely wont be a playmaker at the next level and if we have a shot to a good one I would go all in.

From NBA.com


2019 NBA Draft Profile: De'Andre Hunter

by Jim Eichenhofer

Posted: Jun 07, 2019

DE’ANDRE HUNTER

Vitals: 6-7, 225 pounds, small forward/power forward
Birthdate: Dec. 2, 1997
College: Virginia (2 years)
Stats: 15.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.0 apg, 52.0% FG, 78.3% FT, 43.8% three-point

NBA.com consensus mock draft: Fifth pick to Cleveland

Stock watch: Shuffling among top-half lottery prospects

With no widespread agreement on who’s the best choice among players like Hunter, Jarrett Culver and Darius Garland, it’s possible teams selecting after picks 1-3 could use positional need as a tiebreaker. Hunter made a significant jump in his sophomore year, going from zero starts to 38 and bumping his scoring average from 9.2 to 15.2, despite Virginia’s slow pace, which can deflate individual stats.

Strengths

Few college players entering the NBA are immediately ready to excel defensively individually and team-wise, but draft experts believe Hunter can be that type of presence in Year 1. According to NBA.com, “(The) ACC Defensive Player of the Year will step in and help any team on defensive end, but (Hunter’s) potential will depend on how he develops his offensive game.” ESPN.com: “Arguably the best defender in college basketball. Often tasked with guarding the other team’s best player, be it a point guard or power forward. Has impressive technique containing opposing ball handlers off the dribble, as well as switching onto big men inside the paint with his strong frame and terrific physicality. Extremely active and aware off the ball.”

Areas of improvement

A generation ago, the vast majority of NBA draft picks were in their 20s age-wise, so this can be hard to believe at times, but one question mark about Hunter seems to be that he’s already a relatively “ancient” 21. “Second-oldest player projected to be picked in the top 20,” ESPN.com noted. “Does he have enough long-term upside to warrant being a top-five pick considering his age and limitations with athleticism and scoring?” Speaking of upside, Hunter is not expected to be a dynamic scorer at the NBA level. “He can shoot the NBA three-point shot but he has limited attempts and he isn’t a shoot-first type player,” NBADraft.net assessed. Hunter made less than one trey per game in college

I don't mind him not having a score first mentality. He stepped up his scoring when it was needed at Virginia. He will get the job done. As for the Wingspan every source I have seen confirms 7'2". He also is built solid. 222 pounds. Trust me Killboard. First he won't be available at 11, but if he is we should not look that gift horse in the mouth.

[Klomp]

To me, he's the obvious pick if somehow he's still there.

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[Klomp]

At the same time, if Sekou's gone, I still think we need to consider Clarke.

I searched the Basketball Reference database for a player with the sort of value I expect Clarke to have. I looked for players 6'9" or shorter with a Defensive Box Plus-Minus 2.5 or better, an Offensive Box Plus-Minus under 1, and a block rate over 4%. We’re looking for elite defenders who block a lot of shots despite a lack of size and who are valuable NBA players despite not making big offensive contributions.

The names that came up make a lot of sense: Ben Wallace, Bo Outlaw, Josh Smith, Andrei Kirilenko, Paul Millsap, James Johnson, Jordan Bell, and Tyrus Thomas. Those are some of the game’s all-time elite defenders, among the best ever outside the center position. They’re defensive jackknives that diced up opposing offenses despite their lack of size, instead relying on generational athleticism and incredible timing and instincts, the same sort of skill set Clarke seems to have. Outlaw, Smith, and others on this list were All-Star caliber players on the basis of their defense alone, if the advanced numbers are to be believed. Ben Wallace might be the greatest defender ever.

And sure, there’s some obvious selection bias here. Of course we found great defenders — we searched for them after all, since anyone with 2.5-DBPM season had a great year defensively. There’s one other problem — even these smaller players are still all bigger than Clarke when you factor in wingspan. Every player on that list has a wingspan of at least 7-feet except Jordan Bell, and he’s at 6'11". Clarke, remember, measures just 6'8". The size remains a concern; it’s just not a death knell, especially in an increasingly smaller NBA.

If you drop the defensive parameters a bit and add in offensive rebounding prowess, Taj Gibson and 80s defensive great Dan Roundfield come up as nice comps. Emphasize steals a bit more with the blocks and you get names like Andre Roberson and Shane Battier. Every one of these players are guys that constantly showed up on winning teams despite not being a big-time scorer or offensive threat. And they did it because defense really matters, and their defense changed the game. It helped their teams win.

https://medium.com/sportsraid/brandon-clarke-defense-alone-worth-top-five-pick-2019-nba-draft-gonzaga-basketball-e056f747e100

[Nick K]

Hayes, Redish and Hunter are the guys I could see falling (in that order).

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Great synopsys. He is a big IF! I'd rather have other players.

Jaxson Hayes is the rim protecting rebounder that might blow up big time but he's so raw. Hayes has all the raw tools. He might be really good but limited offensively if that's what you want. I like him much better than Hunter.

[Domejandro]

To me, he's the obvious pick if somehow he's still there.

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He won't even make it to Atlanta's picks, in my opinion. He is literally the youngest guy in the draft, teams near that top have to gamble on this kind of player (my guess is Cleveland or Phoenix does).

[KGdaBom]

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Great synopsys. He is a big IF! I'd rather have other players.

Jaxson Hayes is the rim protecting rebounder that might blow up big time but he's so raw. Hayes has all the raw tools. He might be really good but limited offensively if that's what you want. I like him much better than Hunter.

Hunter is about the most sure thing in the draft. I don't get him being an IF in any way shape or form. 6'7" 225 pound SF with 7'2" wingspan, who led a team to a national title. Makes the three at a good clip, but not in volume. Incredible defender. If you think he's an IF I think you need to rethink. Jaxson Hayes could be a rich man's Clint Capela, but he's a much bigger IF than Hunter.

[SmokeyPaw]

Hayes, Redish and Hunter are the guys I could see falling (in that order).

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

He shot .783 for FTs. Thats a positive

[Neeva]

Happy to get one of Doumbouya, Reddish, Little, hayes
Will not be happy with one of Clarke, Naw, Hunter

[Nick K]

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

Great synopsys. He is a big IF! I'd rather have other players.

Jaxson Hayes is the rim protecting rebounder that might blow up big time but he's so raw. Hayes has all the raw tools. He might be really good but limited offensively if that's what you want. I like him much better than Hunter.

Hunter is about the most sure thing in the draft. I don't get him being an IF in any way shape or form. 6'7" 225 pound SF with 7'2" wingspan, who led a team to a national title. Makes the three at a good clip, but not in volume. Incredible defender. If you think he's an IF I think you need to rethink. Jaxson Hayes could be a rich man's Clint Capela, but he's a much bigger IF than Hunter.

Sorry about that KgdaBom. I had a brain bleep as I was thinking PJ Washington not DeAndre Hunter. I love Hunter and would take him in a second.

I like Hayes better than Sekou but Hunter is the real deal. We'll never come close to getting him though. Hunter is a top 5 pick.

[KGdaBom]

Great synopsys. He is a big IF! I'd rather have other players.

Jaxson Hayes is the rim protecting rebounder that might blow up big time but he's so raw. Hayes has all the raw tools. He might be really good but limited offensively if that's what you want. I like him much better than Hunter.

Hunter is about the most sure thing in the draft. I don't get him being an IF in any way shape or form. 6'7" 225 pound SF with 7'2" wingspan, who led a team to a national title. Makes the three at a good clip, but not in volume. Incredible defender. If you think he's an IF I think you need to rethink. Jaxson Hayes could be a rich man's Clint Capela, but he's a much bigger IF than Hunter.

Sorry about that. I had a brain bleep as I was thinking PJ Washington not DeAndre Hunter. I love Hunter and would take him in a second.

I like Hayes better than Sekou but Hunter is the real deal. We'll never come close to getting him though.

Thanks. No I don't see why somebody that checks virtually every box as a sure thing player like Hunter is going to make it to 11.

[KGdaBom]

Happy to get one of Doumbouya, Reddish, Little, hayes
Will not be happy with one of Clarke, Naw, Hunter

So Hunter isn't good enough for you? However, Little is??? You have something against players who actually play well?

[Nick K]

Hunter is about the most sure thing in the draft. I don't get him being an IF in any way shape or form. 6'7" 225 pound SF with 7'2" wingspan, who led a team to a national title. Makes the three at a good clip, but not in volume. Incredible defender. If you think he's an IF I think you need to rethink. Jaxson Hayes could be a rich man's Clint Capela, but he's a much bigger IF than Hunter.

Sorry about that. I had a brain bleep as I was thinking PJ Washington not DeAndre Hunter. I love Hunter and would take him in a second.

I like Hayes better than Sekou but Hunter is the real deal. We'll never come close to getting him though.

Thanks. No I don't see why somebody that checks virtually every box as a sure thing player like Hunter is going to make it to 11.

Yep. He's top 5 maybe top 3.

[Neeva]

Happy to get one of Doumbouya, Reddish, Little, hayes
Will not be happy with one of Clarke, Naw, Hunter

So Hunter isn't good enough for you? However, Little is??? You have something against players who actually play well?

Hunter is old and a role at best little has serious boom potential.

[Nick K]

Happy to get one of Doumbouya, Reddish, Little, hayes
Will not be happy with one of Clarke, Naw, Hunter

So Hunter isn't good enough for you? However, Little is??? You have something against players who actually play well?

Hunter is old and a role at best little has serious boom potential.

I think you're thinking of the wrong guy like i did. Hunter is for real.

[KGdaBom]

Happy to get one of Doumbouya, Reddish, Little, hayes
Will not be happy with one of Clarke, Naw, Hunter

So Hunter isn't good enough for you? However, Little is??? You have something against players who actually play well?

Hunter is old and a role at best little has serious boom potential.

Hunter is 21 years old. OMG he's ancient. That Role player BS stuff again. Little and Hunter are very similar athletically, but Hunter shoots so much better. Little has some potential, but certainly not more than Hunter. Which one do you think is more likely to live up to his potential? Regardless Hunter is going to be drafted about 10 spots before Little and The Wolves certainly won't have a chance at him.

[Neeva]

So Hunter isn't good enough for you? However, Little is??? You have something against players who actually play well?

Hunter is old and a role at best little has serious boom potential.

Hunter is 21 years old. OMG he's ancient. That Role player BS stuff again. Little and Hunter are very similar athletically, but Hunter shoots so much better. Little has some potential, but certainly not more than Hunter. Which one do you think is more likely to live up to his potential? Regardless Hunter is going to be drafted about 10 spots before Little and The Wolves certainly won't have a chance at him.

WIll be 22 a few months into the season, I don’t want him to be the selction luckily he wont.

[KGdaBom]

Hunter is old and a role at best little has serious boom potential.

Hunter is 21 years old. OMG he's ancient. That Role player BS stuff again. Little and Hunter are very similar athletically, but Hunter shoots so much better. Little has some potential, but certainly not more than Hunter. Which one do you think is more likely to live up to his potential? Regardless Hunter is going to be drafted about 10 spots before Little and The Wolves certainly won't have a chance at him.

WIll be 22 a few months into the season, I don’t want him to be the selction luckily he wont.

Yep we don't want a shot at guys who are actually good basketball players.

[Killboard]

If Hunter falls to 11 I'm sprinting to the podium to turn in the pick. If Hayes falls to 11 Clarke might already be gone, but if not I have a very difficult decision on my hands. If Reddish falls and Clarke is gone I go oh $hit and trade back with a team that is enamored with Reddish or better yet get a good player for the pick.

Hunter is a wierd prospect. He has a great 3pt% but low volume and not so great FT% for he which projects to be an average 3pt shooter. He is a good finisher but was a meh creator in college. Projects to be a good defender but his stocks and rebounds are low. And he is a 2nd year player but will have senior age when the season starts. His wingspan is reportedly 7'2 (no combine) and he is probably around 6'5.5 without shoes which would be Kawhi like (pretty big if). I wouldn't know what to do.

He shot .783 for FTs. Thats a positive

I didnt say was bad, but his 3pt% projects to be .350. I mentioned Hayes, Redish and Hunter are the players who could fall of the top 10, in that order of likelihood.

Multiple guys will have to climb for Hunter to drop, but the hawks have two picks at 8th and 10th and they could strike for pure potential going with younger guys. The wizards probably wouldn't pass on him, maybe just for Bitazde.

If something like that happens I would explore the market for a playmaker and not necessarily keep him, giving him proper value ofc.