Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[F N 11]

The Knicks can not max out guys for the sake of spending monwy. not interested in a mediocre team. No long term deals on middling players

Perry and CO has already said they are not screwing around. We will prob take on 1 year big deals to get a pick or sign guys to big 1 year deals.

[G_K_F]

The direction was picked long ago. You can't turn back now. Relationships are at stake. It's a business. If anyone turns back it would have to be KD. But if Warriors climb out the grave without him he will be feeling a need to be loved again.

Why can’t I turn back? Why am I forced to pay KD $35 and effectively put a $35 million cap hold on my team for a guy who may never come back? For relationships? F relationships then.

We’ve got some decent guys through the draft, right? Even if taking is ‘over’ we can still have a shot at top picks through the new system and even without a top 5 pick you just need a good scouting department. Kawhi wasn’t a top pick.

I don’t understand the mentality of being so close to making good decisions for the future for once in 20 years and wanting to throw it all away for an injured KD and ‘relationships’.

honestly... if KD and kawhi planned to come... and we could trade for AD after, i'd still sign KD most likely. load management for life. supporting cast to share the workload. i just need one chip in that 4-year window for it to be worthwhile. depending on the severity, KD could be ready for next year's playoffs.

big risk. but if it's kawhi ready to sign and he wants me to sign KD, i'm probably doing it.

I’m gonna take a hearty guess here and say that Kawhi is not going to demand the signing of a dude who just had a major injury and will be out most of next year.

Kawhi is in the prime of his career. He’s ready to win now. He’s not going to wait around for someone to possibly come back as the same player - especially when he has way better situations elsewhere.

I think I the whole Kawhi thing is way unrealistic and basically just talked about now as a way to deal with the major disappointing of the KD injury.

We just need to move forward and keep building through the draft and make smart trades. Keep the flexibility on the cap to take crap deals for extra picks. That flexibility helped the Nets and the Sixers amass talent and assets. Keep on that path and we can be the future Raptors one day.

[prolific96]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

not trying to use rose-colored glasses here, but KD could still be lethal off skill alone. he doesn't rely on athleticism to differentiate. so long as he can still move and keep up, he could be fine for a while.

Don't do it. Thats the same thing that was repeated over and over here when talking about Melo.

[Reign23]

We have tried it all but building with our own and adding pieces.

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

thank you. I still don't know why people don't get this.

[bigtimeRC3]

anthony davis is injury prone. we cant waste our assets on somebody that averages 65 games a year. plus his game is outdated. he cant shoot the 3 well at all. that mid range game is great and all but nobody is scared of that. this a 3 point league.

[KnixinSix]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

not trying to use rose-colored glasses here, but KD could still be lethal off skill alone. he doesn't rely on athleticism to differentiate. so long as he can still move and keep up, he could be fine for a while.

Saw this on another board: Look at the history of achilles injuries to star players- especially older ones. KD is already 31. Kobe was a little older- but never recovered his star ability.

Dominique Wilkins was diminished after tearing his at 31- though admittedly, he was all about athleticism anyway.

Elton Brand never recovered from the injury and was a role player upon his return.

KD might come back and be solid - but the explosiveness that allowed him to blow by guys on the drive and beat guys on the jumper will not be there anymore. He won't be a max FA guy anymore. He knows it, his agent knows it- which is why he was being described as "white as a sheet" after the game- and the Knicks know it.

Hope this is wrong but not a pretty picture.

[newyorker4ever]

I think we need to remember that we never knew for sure that KD was even coming to the Knicks even though we've thought that with all the rumors that have come out the last month or however long they've been going around. We never did 100% know and we were just going off of rumors from the media.

I came on here when the rumor of the Knicks going after Kawhi or getting a meeting with Kawhi came out like 2 weeks ago or however long ago it came out and said i was just listening to a sports radio show down here in Orlando and one of the guys is a Knicks fan and he was convinced that the Knicks would of never let that info get out if they knew they were getting KD. He thought that because they let it out that they were gonna go after Kawhi that they must have got word somehow that KD had decided that he wasn't gonna sign with the Knicks so the Knicks then moved their focus to the next big fish which of course is Kawhi.

Now of course this is just him speculating but what if this is true and the Knicks did get some kind of info that KD had decided that the Knicks weren't a choice for him any longer? This is actually great news for the Knicks cause now they don't have to worry about getting back lash from players or whoever else for "turning their back" on KD after this injury and not offering him a contract after this injury.

My biggest point here is that we don't and never did know if KD was coming to the Knicks or if we were even his top choice at any time and were just going off of the multiple rumors.

[Reign23]

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

hard to build around him when you don't amnesty amare, use picks for bargnani, give the cap to noah, lee I would say.

[Orange Mamba]

Durant and Kawhi should come together and manage each other’s loads.

edit: wrong post

[KnixinSix]

Why can’t I turn back? Why am I forced to pay KD $35 and effectively put a $35 million cap hold on my team for a guy who may never come back? For relationships? F relationships then.

We’ve got some decent guys through the draft, right? Even if taking is ‘over’ we can still have a shot at top picks through the new system and even without a top 5 pick you just need a good scouting department. Kawhi wasn’t a top pick.

I don’t understand the mentality of being so close to making good decisions for the future for once in 20 years and wanting to throw it all away for an injured KD and ‘relationships’.

honestly... if KD and kawhi planned to come... and we could trade for AD after, i'd still sign KD most likely. load management for life. supporting cast to share the workload. i just need one chip in that 4-year window for it to be worthwhile. depending on the severity, KD could be ready for next year's playoffs.

big risk. but if it's kawhi ready to sign and he wants me to sign KD, i'm probably doing it.

I’m gonna take a hearty guess here and say that Kawhi is not going to demand the signing of a dude who just had a major injury and will be out most of next year.

Kawhi is in the prime of his career. He’s ready to win now. He’s not going to wait around for someone to possibly come back as the same player - especially when he has way better situations elsewhere.

I think I the whole Kawhi thing is way unrealistic and basically just talked about now as a way to deal with the major disappointing of the KD injury.

We just need to move forward and keep building through the draft and make smart trades. Keep the flexibility on the cap to take crap deals for extra picks. That flexibility helped the Nets and the Sixers amass talent and assets. Keep on that path and we can be the future Raptors one day.

Kawhi with Kemba or Butler and then RJ Barrett might be pretty good.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

The possibly most perturbing thing about the KD injury is that it significantly increases the chances that next year will once again see the Knicks PG being Emmanuel Mudiay.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

anthony davis is injury prone. we cant waste our assets on somebody that averages 65 games a year. plus his game is outdated. he cant shoot the 3 well at all. that mid range game is great and all but nobody is scared of that. this a 3 point league.

I can understand not wanting AD because you don't want to trade a lot of players for him, but saying his game is outdated is crazy. He needs to play with a closer that can score from ISO situations late in games, but outside of that he's an absolute monster. If you put him next to a floor spacing center like Brook Lopez, there's no way to guard him outside of maybe having Joel Embiid.

[knicks9784]

The possibly most perturbing thing about the KD injury is that it significantly increases the chances that next year will once again see the Knicks PG being Emmanuel Mudiay.

What happened to Dennis Smith jr?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The possibly most perturbing thing about the KD injury is that it significantly increases the chances that next year will once again see the Knicks PG being Emmanuel Mudiay.

RJ is a point forward, so we don't have to worry about that.

[Sprewell4Three]

anthony davis is injury prone. we cant waste our assets on somebody that averages 65 games a year. plus his game is outdated. he cant shoot the 3 well at all. that mid range game is great and all but nobody is scared of that. this a 3 point league.

Yet, Kawhi Leonard is one game from winning an NBA championship while scoring most of his points from the mid-range. Steph and Klay are 2 of the best 3 point shooters in league history for crying out loud. This doesnt mean the Knicks have to build their team based on just 3 pointers.

[taj2133]

If he does opt out, do the Knicks give the soon-to-be 31-year-old his max deal, knowing next season is in jeopardy and some big men never recover fully from such a devastating leg injury? Durant, who looked so good in that 11-point first quarter, may never be as dominant.

The only good news is – as The Post reported last week – Knicks officials fully expect a meeting with Kawhi Leonard. The star forward had the Raptors on the brink of a championship after scoring 12 straight points in the fourth quarter, but Toronto’s six-point lead evaporated in the final two and a half minutes of the 106-105 defeat. Still, Leonard is the clear favorite to win NBA Finals MVP if the Raptors can finish off the Warriors in Game 6 or 7. Leonard lived in northern Jersey with his uncle last season as he rehabbed from a quad injury and enjoyed it.

Broadcaster and former NFL receiver Cris Carter, who is a Leonard confidant, said it was an actual possibility for Leonard and Durant to hook up in New York.

That’s not happening now.



Knicks' path to Anthony Davis just got a lot more complicated
On the free-agent landscape, point guard Kemba Walker has given off heavy vibes he’s happy in Charlotte, where all the money is. The Knicks never made a single inquiry for Jimmy Butler when he was on the trading block, so it doesn’t appear they consider him a franchise-changer in the way Leonard is and Durant was.

Meanwhile, the Knicks could trade several young assets, including their No. 3 pick that could turn into RJ Barrett, for Anthony Davis. But even if they do so, it may not even make them a playoff team if Davis doesn’t have a star partner.

According to a source, the Pelicans need a third team with the Knicks in a trade more than any other potential club in the mix. Pelicans brass doesn’t find all the Knicks’ young assets attractive enough for a package.

The Pelicans also want an All-Star player involved in a deal, but New Orleans also desperately seeks a young potential top-15 guy and don’t know if the Knicks actually have one on their roster.

Kevin Knox is the closest to a potential All-Star, but he went through a rollercoaster rookie season. According to a source, the Pelicans consider the Celtics to have the best young assets.

All along, the Knicks have not had all their eggs in one basket despite the good feelings they got about landing Durant. They can still use their cap space to acquire another star player, aside from Davis, in a trade.

However, maybe the answer is for the Knicks to continue the slow rebuild, draft Barrett, tank in 2019-20, add another lottery pick and go after Durant in 2020.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/mulling-knicks-possibilities-after-kevin-durants-crushing-injury/?

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[Sprewell4Three]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

not trying to use rose-colored glasses here, but KD could still be lethal off skill alone. he doesn't rely on athleticism to differentiate. so long as he can still move and keep up, he could be fine for a while.

He doesn't rely on athleticism? Dude at 7 feet has ball handling skills like a guard. His game will totally be different and he won't be the same player if he can't break down players off the dribble. Yes, he can still be effective being a stand alone / spot up shooter, but you're not giving that kind of player the max, im sorry no.

[F N 11]

They arent referring to the Melo deal exactly. They are referring to the difficulty building around Melo after trading nuff role players.
Wilson Chandler and Gallo were legit pieces to a pretty damn good Nuggets team post Melo. I dont wanna talk about this but Mitch, Knox, RJ, and DSJ who are all lottery picks (besides Mitch) have a chance to be really solid NBA players.

You make the AD trade and you have to bank of fuqing free agents coming here which is not guaranteed. This is what im trying to say. Control what you can control.

[shtolky]

They arent referring to the Melo deal exactly. They are referring to the difficulty building around Melo after trading nuff role players.
Wilson Chandler and Gallo were legit pieces to a pretty damn good Nuggets team post Melo. I dont wanna talk about this but Mitch, Knox, RJ, and DSJ who are all lottery picks (besides Mitch) have a chance to be really solid NBA players.

You make the AD trade and you have to bank of fuqing free agents coming here which is not guaranteed. This is what im trying to say. Control what you can control.

It's also not guaranteed that the young pieces we have will turn into anything. It's guaranteed that AD will play like a superstar. There is risk in trading for him and not trading for him. I actually think it's far more likely that FA's come to play with AD vs. the young players turning into studs.

[robillionaire]

*hits blunt* we don't even need these dudes. knox is the next KD RJ is the next harden and mitch is anthony davis 2.0