Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[dakomish23]

#Rebuild

Randle and Brogdon offseason Re-up Mario.

Most fun 30 win team in NYK history

[robillionaire]

#Rebuild

Randle and Brogdon offseason Re-up Mario.

That team could potentially be a 8 seed in like 3 years. How exciting!!!!

you could just go be a nets fan, kyrie is going there he's pretty exciting, some of ya'll act like someone is forcing you at gunpoint to root for this team

[blanko]

IF the Knicks knew Kawhi was coming, building around him and AD, even if enough assets went out for AD, is a great play, because both are 26, entering prime prime, and good for 4 years, if not extensions for a couple more years after that (maybe)

But AD was always a maybe - it's a trade.
Kawhi is a total wildcard.

Durant was different. Minus those accusations being leveled about "entitled" Knick fans in another topic, there was STRONG smoke he was coming here.

Now the Knicks are just another team with their fingers crossed, only with a perception of being awful for 20 years they still can't shake.

Lost my enthusiasm for the off season last night. Sure, I'll pay attention. Speculate a little. But it's different now. Anyone who doesn't see that is being a little bit foolish.

Achilles from what I understand is certainly not career threatening. Dr.Chao the guy who broke this thing on the net said it shouldn't affect his FA. Kawhi with a more mysterious injury was traded for when not fully healed and it worked out pretty well.

Well then you need to read up more

Players don't just come back from achilles, Nique is the lone example of a player being what he was before the injury after it. Even if he comes back and is good, he's not gonna be the same KD. Kawhi's injury being mysterious helped because nobody knew what it was, so you can take the risk it's something to come back from which it was, but an achilles tear is quantifiable, we know how bad it is

The Dr. Chao guy said if it was only a partial tear it shouldn't affect his free agency, because a partial tear you can come back from but it's still really risky because the potential to re-tear it (fully this time) is much higher. Full tear, there's no getting back from that

If it was a full tear he wouldn’t have been able to move his foot up and down in a tapping manner.


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[Pr0nzingis]

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

hard to build around him when you don't amnesty amare, use picks for bargnani, give the cap to noah, lee I would say.

Yes yes poor cancer Melo! The loser that could have come as a FA to the Knicks but prefered to force the Knicks to gut the team for him by threating to sign with the Nets, because... ego.

I'm shedding a tear for the guy that didn't play defense, didn't want to win and set this franchise back like 5 years.

[EricAnderson]

Randle and Brogdon offseason Re-up Mario.

That team could potentially be a 8 seed in like 3 years. How exciting!!!!

you could just go be a nets fan, kyrie is going there he's pretty exciting, some of ya'll act like someone is forcing you at gunpoint to root for this team

Huh? That makes no sense.Im just being realistic

Does being a blind homer and overrating our young talent somehow make someone a better fan?

[F N 11]

Does Taylor Jenkins being hired by Memphis make it more likely for JA or RJ at 2?

[Clyde_Style]

Look at the two teams in the finals. Or the conference finals, for that matter.

None of them went the "Big 3" route where they cleared huge amount of cap or waited until they had drafted a superstar core to start building out. All built incrementally and made good use of the assets they had. Toronto got Kawhi by building up their pool. They had an all star and good role player, both of whom they drafted in the mid-lotto. Warriors built a champion core from mid-lottery players and second rounders. Blazers took on salary for the pick they got that yielded Lillard. Then they picked McCollum 10th and have tinkered until they had a conference finals ready team. Bucks got Giannis at Pick 15. Middleton in a trade. Brogdon in the 2nd round.

This idea that you have to grab stars before doing anything else is misguided. There are other ways to do it. Draft well, pick up good pieces and additional assets where you can, and build incrementally is a fine way to do it.

Miami poisoned peoples' minds into believing that all it takes is clearing the cap space and you can make your own big 3 too.

Except that was the only time it has happened, unless you include Boston which I really don't.

I hope there is finally a realization dawning on most Knicks fans that you have build a decent roster first to maximize the success of max cat signings.

Anyway, KD's injury altered the landscape immensely last night and every club has to recalibrate their off-season strategy in response.

I don't feel like Perry is going to throw KD a sympathy deal just because it was assumed he was coming here. The Knicks owe Durant zip and I cannot see Perry going all in on an achilles heel.

[F N 11]

Nets fans quiet now too lol.

[Worst_to_First]

#Rebuild

Save room for James Wiseman fam.

[2010]

Im done arguing about keeping the kids. People rather go the build your whole team with free agents route. I already posted and said the last 20 plus championship teams have a homegrown star player.

The odds any of the kids we have become stars is slim to none

You know what’s won titles for as long as the nba has been alive? Top of the league players.

The idea that we wouldn’t sign or trade for these players to keep our own players who might not even be good nba players never mind Stars is extremely dumb.

Yeah lets trade for a guy who can come here next year while keeping assets just to have him a year early. I'm clearly not dumb or the trade would be done already.

The whole waiting for a guy to walk here without relinquishing assets doesn't work. See how that played out for the Lakers and Paul George?

Want to risk another lowkey butthurt franchise running your target into the ground during his last days with their organization?

You really trust Pelicans or Boston or any team renting him to handle gently? How do you drive your rental cars?

[thebuzzardman]

Durant and Kawhi should come together and manage each other’s loads.

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[SARGO127]

We really are cursed.

[Capn'O]

#Rebuild

Randle and Brogdon offseason Re-up Mario.

Most fun 30 win team in NYK history

They would suck short term. Long term, there's a playoff team and possibly more with internal development.

[F N 11]

The odds any of the kids we have become stars is slim to none

You know what’s won titles for as long as the nba has been alive? Top of the league players.

The idea that we wouldn’t sign or trade for these players to keep our own players who might not even be good nba players never mind Stars is extremely dumb.

Yeah lets trade for a guy who can come here next year while keeping assets just to have him a year early. I'm clearly not dumb or the trade would be done already.

The whole waiting for a guy to walk here without relinquishing assets doesn't work. See how that played out for the Lakers and Paul George?

Want to risk another lowkey butthurt franchise running your target into the ground during his last days with their organization?

You really trust Pelicans or Boston or any team renting him to handle gently? How do you drive your rental cars?

If he wanna come here he will come here. Im betting he wants LA anyway. Same way KD had connects here he has connects in LA.

[robillionaire]

Durant and Kawhi should come together and manage each other’s loads.

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don't encourage him

[F N 11]

Randle and Brogdon offseason Re-up Mario.

Most fun 30 win team in NYK history

They would suck short term. Long term, there's a playoff team and possibly more with internal development.

I trust our coaching staff to develop. This is not useless coaches here bc they are friends with the president.

[Capn'O]

Look at the two teams in the finals. Or the conference finals, for that matter.

None of them went the "Big 3" route where they cleared huge amount of cap or waited until they had drafted a superstar core to start building out. All built incrementally and made good use of the assets they had. Toronto got Kawhi by building up their pool. They had an all star and good role player, both of whom they drafted in the mid-lotto. Warriors built a champion core from mid-lottery players and second rounders. Blazers took on salary for the pick they got that yielded Lillard. Then they picked McCollum 10th and have tinkered until they had a conference finals ready team. Bucks got Giannis at Pick 15. Middleton in a trade. Brogdon in the 2nd round.

This idea that you have to grab stars before doing anything else is misguided. There are other ways to do it. Draft well, pick up good pieces and additional assets where you can, and build incrementally is a fine way to do it.

Miami poisoned peoples' minds into believing that all it takes is clearing the cap space and you can make your own big 3 too.

Except that was the only time it has happened, unless you include Boston which I really don't.

I hope there is finally a realization dawning on most Knicks fans that you have build a decent roster first to maximize the success of max cat signings.

Anyway, KD's injury altered the landscape immensely last night and every club has to recalibrate their off-season strategy in response.

I don't feel like Perry is going to throw KD a sympathy deal just because it was assumed he was coming here. The Knicks owe Durant zip and I cannot see Perry going all in on an achilles heel.

Yup.

KD looked like he wanted to come here and I was willing to give it a whirl. I mean, what choice did I have as a fan of the team.

There's a chance to go a different direction now and barring something unexpected like Kawhi choosing us I think it is once again wise to pursue that route.

[br7knicks]

We have tried it all but building with our own and adding pieces.

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Truly great, Max players shouldn't be that hard to build around.

So either the Knicks were stupid for the trade (truth), or melo just wasn't that great as a franchise, all around player (up for debate).

The AD trade IS different, in that AD can walk away after a year, and the young assets are gone, as well. At least the Knicks were stuck with melo for years.


Build the core so there's sustained success and credibility, and the FA will follow. Cut the more useless, no winning players like knox and Trier, and bring in real players who are smart, play defense, and don't need the ball all the time

[Apples]

If fully torn, I don't think they sign him.
If partially torn, they sign him still.

[K_ick_God]

To throw it out there -- KD did recover better and more fully from his foot fracture than people thought he would.