Difference between Kawhi and MJ/Kobe

LKN · Post #81 » by **LKN** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:26 pm

lakerz12 wrote:Biggest difference is Kawhi lacks quickness and agility compared to Kobe or MJ.

Kawhi uses size and strength to generate offense. Kobe and MJ used speed, footwork, quickness and jumping/fading to create space.

As I said above.. .Kawhi should post up and shoot fadeaways on the wing a la MJ more. Like MJ he's strong, lengthy and has a high release point.

likemycurryhot · Post #82 » by **likemycurryhot** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

LKN · Post #83 » by **LKN** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:43 pm

likemycurryhot wrote:Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

He didn't make the wrong decision at all... If anything all the play did was expose some of his limitations as a player (and he made the correct play given those limitations)

G35 · Post #84 » by **G35** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:53 pm

likemycurryhot wrote:Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

I think you are just parroting what you have heard.

What is the standard for good in those situations? Or even great?

How many teams (not players) can say they score 50% of the time with less than five seconds?

I don't think people really understand that, scoring in that situation is not a common thing. Its not like the Bulls were great because they scored in the last five seconds. Teams/fans go crazy when you do score in that situation because its so uncommon.

Ehhh, I don't know why I explain...its like trying to explain why people can't parallel park......

Lowtech801 · Post #85 » by **Lowtech801** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:53 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:Jordan and Kobe would have pulled up and shot it over the double team on that last play. Jordan and Kobe have that killer instinct in them.

But when Kawhi saw that double team, he immediately passed the ball which ended up in a Lowry side of a backboard 3 pointer. No one is talking about how Kawhi folded like a crane origami because today is all about KD's injury.

If Lebron passed the ball up like Kawhi did, he would have been ripped by the media. Not sure why Kawhi got a pass for being meek.

Jordan would've drove and kicked if still doubled otherwise he would've shot it. Kobe would've shot and missed.

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-G- · Post #86 » by **-G-** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Lol I love when people kill guys for making the correct play. One of my favorites. OP's been waiting since 2005 for this.

triple_threat · Post #87 » by **triple_threat** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:10 pm

Spintown wrote:
triple_threat wrote:
JimmerAllStar wrote:
yes, and he got ripped by the media and public for doing so. When you're an elite player, you don't pass up game winning shots.

i will take lebron's decision making over yours

Then You'll take a Big Fat L too.

true, 12 - 23 in tying/winning playoff situations with 10 second or less? probably a boatload of assists as well.

Lebron's IQ

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your's

Heat3 · Post #88 » by **Heat3** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Jordan would pass the ball too... ask Kerr and Paxson.

JimmerAllStar · Post #89 » by **JimmerAllStar** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:27 pm

Heat3 wrote:Jordan would pass the ball too... ask Kerr and Paxson.

Jordan would not have passed it to FVV who was 5 feet behind the 3 pt line and covered by 6'7" Livingston.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #90 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:29 pm

-G- wrote:Lol I love when people kill guys for making the correct play. One of my favorites. OP's been waiting since 2005 for this.

Wasn't the correct play. Kawhi has to attack the double and force the issue. His pass wasn't to a wide open teammate.

To be clear, a title was on the line. Its over if he makes a pull up jumper or gets fouled.

JimmerAllStar · Post #91 » by **JimmerAllStar** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:29 pm

likemycurryhot wrote:Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

So having Lowry hit the side of the backboard was the right play? Or maybe the right play was shooting over two defenders while you're still hot?

nikster · Post #92 » by **nikster** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:46 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:
likemycurryhot wrote:Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

So having Lowry hit the side of the backboard was the right play? Or maybe the right play was shooting over two defenders while you're still hot?

It took a miraculous recovery from one of the best defenders in league history m to get his finger on the ball and alter the shot, that is an incredible and improbable clutch play that doesn’t get enough credit here. A set corner 3 from Lowry is a great shot.

LakerLegend · Post #93 » by **LakerLegend** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:49 pm

The difference is Kawhi's not as skilled as they are or as athletic, like a lot of players.

His hand size allows him to control the ball to a great degree which helps close some of the gap.

Post #94 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:49 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:Jordan and Kobe would have pulled up and shot it over the double team on that last play. Jordan and Kobe have that killer instinct in them.

Watch on YouTube

Brief history lesson above.

Edit: looks like someone beat me to the punch.

likemycurryhot · Post #95 » by **likemycurryhot** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:10 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:
likemycurryhot wrote:Why is making the right basketball decision, that is to pass, a knock on Kawhi? Also Kobe, as has been pointed out already, was terrible in those late game situations.

Some poster’s obsession with macho heroball is mystifying. The greats are great because they make winning plays, including passing when doubled, not because they selfishly take all the shots.

So having Lowry hit the side of the backboard was the right play? Or maybe the right play was shooting over two defenders while you're still hot?

Of course giving it up to a seemingly open Lowery is the right play. Percentage wise it’s obviously the right play. Just because he didn’t make it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Ray Allen and many other non-superstars have been put in the position of making “the shot” and come through. Basketball history would be very different and probably have a different set of winners if all time greats had decided to take a very difficult shot instead of letting their teammates step up and take a better shot.

Post #96 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:14 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:
1993Playoffs wrote:Stop grouping Kobe with MJ

Came here just to post this.

And this as well:

Watch on YouTube

I have no doubt Kobe would have shot it though

Double Nickel game at MSG was won with a Jordan pass to Bill Wennington, who I still hate.

TheBallsDeeper · Post #97 » by **TheBallsDeeper** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:15 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:Jordan and Kobe would have pulled up and shot it over the double team on that last play. Jordan and Kobe have that killer instinct in them.

But when Kawhi saw that double team, he immediately passed the ball which ended up in a Lowry side of a backboard 3 pointer. No one is talking about how Kawhi folded like a crane origami because today is all about KD's injury.

If Lebron passed the ball up like Kawhi did, he would have been ripped by the media. Not sure why Kawhi got a pass for being meek.

Judging by this post you have very low Basketball IQ. If Kawhi is double teamed, he has a teammate free. The correct play is not to play hero ball but to find the open player, especially when they only need a two to win.

Phystic · Post #98 » by **Phystic** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:18 pm

JimmerAllStar wrote:
Amare_1_Knicks wrote:Lebron literally passed the ball in the same situation in game 1 of the finals a year ago. Shooting over two defenders aggressively approaching you in that situation is a bad, low percentage shot. I thought, if anything, Nick Nurse should’ve called a time out and set up a play or an isolation; the Warriors set up their defense pretty well on the fly anyway.

yes, and he got ripped by the media and public for doing so. When you're an elite player, you don't pass up game winning shots.

No, when you're an elite player you make the play that gives your team the best chance at success. You're idea that a double teamed three by Kawhi is better than an open corner shot is asinine. You keep saying he passed it to FVV so it was a worse shot, have you heard of swinging the ball? It's literally the best way to get an open shot.

Kawhi made the exact play he should have. Draymond just made a fantastic effort to get to Lowry at the very last second. Doesn't mean it was a bad call.

vancity604 · Post #99 » by **vancity604** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:20 pm

Kobe would have jacked up a shot with a less than 20% chance of making it. Lowry was a draymond green fingertip away from having a 40% chance of hitting the shot. It was the right decision.

Kobe is the most overrated clutch athlete of alltime in any sport. If you think he was clutch just because he had a positive body language you are a very gullible person.

ajdontwatchthat · Post #100 » by **ajdontwatchthat** » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:20 pm

wilhelmthe1st wrote:https://defpen.com/myths-kobe-bryant/

But fourth quarter stats can be misleading, right? Who knows if he was just putting up numbers in the fourth when the game was already decided? When using the NBA’s definition of clutch, the last five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime, when the score is within five points, we find an interesting result. All stats are per 36 minutes, requiring at least 10 minutes played in clutch situations, and TS% requires a minimum of 15 FGA in clutch situations

Lol these stats won't get posted on ESPN, FS1 and other national media outlets since they live to discredit Kobe for views, clicks and riding the wave.

They'll ignore this one, because it doesn't fit the pro-lebron agenda that most the GB follows.

Keep up the good work.