Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade

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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#201 » by Wonderllama » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:35 pm

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levon wrote:What is anyone else offering?

They are not saying what Boston is offering, but it has to be a very conservative offer since it looks like the pels and Lakers have agreed on a framework offer.
Don't think they have. Remember last time LA's package leaked?

Danny will drop a bomb. Either way, Boston is in the cat bird seat. They can offer Tatum and ending it

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He'll never offer Tatum. Danny Ainge is the greediest GM in the entire league. Plus It has to be Tatum + Brown and everyone knows it.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#202 » by Mamba Mentality » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:35 pm

DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.


But what the Lakers didn't have during that time was a top 10 player. :wink:
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#203 » by LKN » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

BVB24 wrote:DUMB. Pels are gonna blow this.

If push comes to shove, you take the #4 all day every day.


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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#204 » by reload141 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

teke184 wrote:Consider the source, but Pels beat writer Fletcher Mackel seems convinced a Celtics deal be executed tonight.

No proof, just a feeling on his part.


It can’t be because of the Rose Rule still applying. They can agree to the deal but it can’t be executed until June 30th
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#205 » by Benedict_Boozer » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

If you’re Boston - why be that desperate for a guy who has publicly said he doesn’t want to play for you specifically? It’s like I’m so thirsty I’m going to force you to play for me, Celtics are a storied franchise should be above that

Unless Ainge is just trying to raise the price, if so I take back my comments!


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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#206 » by karkinos » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

i think in best case scenario jrue would want to stay
while he's from LA he has shown much love for nola
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#207 » by teke184 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:36 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
teke184 wrote:Consider the source, but Pels beat writer Fletcher Mackel seems convinced a Celtics deal be executed tonight.

No proof, just a feeling on his part.


Nice to see Boston finally catching a break, that city really just hasn't had enough luck with sports.


I’m not laying bets based on it, as Fletch and reality aren’t completely on speaking terms.

I’d sure like it to happen, though.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#208 » by BNM » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:37 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:Kuzma is the only Lakers young guy who can potentially space the floor , which is important given Williamson's lack of shooting.
Also he can play small ball 5 next to Zion. It's a pretty good fit actually given that ZIon will cover up his defensive mistakes.


Kuzma == .303 3FG%, 2nd worst in the league for any player that averaged > 5.0 3FGA/G.

Kuzma at the 5 == layup drill for the other team. They tried it with him and LeBron and it failed miserably so they quickly abandoned it.

I find it funny that the Lakers and NOP are fighting over a guy who is a bad fit next to Zion and doesn't want to play for a small market team.

At this point, I think the only reason NOP even wants him is to screw gut the Lakers as badly as possible.


You just waxed poetic about how bad Kuzma is and then said if the Lakers traded him they would be gutted. How can both be true? If he's that bad, what's the big deal if they lose him?


Because he's yet another rookie contract player the Lakers would have to replace, and a very cheap one at that ($1.9 million in 2019-20). Say the Lakers do cave and give up Kuzma, Ball and Ingram. They are taking back $9 million more in salary than they are sending out. That means rescinding all of their free agents to have $29 million in cap space with nine roster spots to fill. Of course, they can spend that on another max contract player and then fill out the remaining 8 roster spots with min contract guys - to me, that sounds pretty gutted.

Kuzma may not be great, and a poor fit next to Zion, but he is at least a rotation level player for the Lakers on a very cheap contract. Losing him hurts their depth more than it helps NOP. Which is exactly why I think NOP is holding the Lakers feet to the fire on this one.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#209 » by SlowPaced » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:37 pm

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Why? He's not a good fit next to Zion, they play the same position. Ingram is a far better fit.

Kuzma is the only Lakers young guy who can potentially space the floor , which is important given Williamson's lack of shooting.
Also he can play small ball 5 next to Zion. It's a pretty good fit actually given that ZIon will cover up his defensive mistakes.


Playing Kuzma and Zion as your 5 and 4 would be a disaster defensively.

Kuzma would have to be a bench player with Zion there, and when you do have them out there, Zion would have to move to the 3. That's the only way it can work.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#210 » by Son Goku 25 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:37 pm

Both team packages are overrated.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#211 » by levon » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:37 pm

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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#212 » by snaquille oatmeal » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:37 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
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levon wrote:What is anyone else offering?

They are not saying what Boston is offering, but it has to be a very conservative offer since it looks like the pels and Lakers have agreed on a framework offer.
Don't think they have. Remember last time LA's package leaked?

Danny will drop a bomb. Either way, Boston is in the cat bird seat. They can offer Tatum and ending it

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they don’t have an actual agreement, just an agreement on the framework. The tweets I read said something about need to sort out the Kuzma and or 4th pick details, but the major framework was agreed upon (maybe it was in the Lakers board that I read the tweet on)
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#213 » by teke184 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:38 pm

reload141 wrote:
teke184 wrote:Consider the source, but Pels beat writer Fletcher Mackel seems convinced a Celtics deal be executed tonight.

No proof, just a feeling on his part.


It can’t be because of the Rose Rule still applying. They can agree to the deal but it can’t be executed until June 30th


“Executed” would be the wrong word in this case. “Agreed to” would be more appropriate.


But, as I keep saying, Fletch isn’t the most reliable of reporters.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#214 » by Jagic Mohnson » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:39 pm

DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.


worse, they could be portland and like charlie brown think its their year and then lucy pulls the football away and you slip and fall flat on your face every year since 1977.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#215 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:43 pm

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BVB24 wrote:DUMB. Pels are gonna blow this.

If push comes to shove, you take the #4 all day every day.


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Griffin should be fired as quickly as he was hired if this is true.

With Garland already being a Klutch client n Griffin being Bron's "former guy"...I'd immediately think this was an inside job.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#216 » by JB2 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:45 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
JB2 wrote:Lakers keeping Kuzma is a huge win.

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Kuzma
LeBron
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Kyrie

Damn nice


Is this you Jeannie? Who's gonna play defense on this team?


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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#217 » by LipSkinMatter » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:46 pm

BNM wrote:
LipSkinMatter wrote:
BNM wrote:
Kuzma == .303 3FG%, 2nd worst in the league for any player that averaged > 5.0 3FGA/G.

Kuzma at the 5 == layup drill for the other team. They tried it with him and LeBron and it failed miserably so they quickly abandoned it.

I find it funny that the Lakers and NOP are fighting over a guy who is a bad fit next to Zion and doesn't want to play for a small market team.

At this point, I think the only reason NOP even wants him is to screw gut the Lakers as badly as possible.


You just waxed poetic about how bad Kuzma is and then said if the Lakers traded him they would be gutted. How can both be true? If he's that bad, what's the big deal if they lose him?


Because he's yet another rookie contract player the Lakers would have to replace, and a very cheap one at that ($1.9 million in 2019-20). Say the Lakers do cave and give up Kuzma, Ball and Ingram. They are taking back $9 million more in salary than they are sending out. That means rescinding all of their free agents to have $29 million in cap space with nine roster spots to fill. Of course, they can spend that on another max contract player and then fill out the remaining 8 roster spots with min contract guys - to me, that sounds pretty gutted.

Kuzma may not be great, and a poor fit next to Zion, but he is at least a rotation level player for the Lakers on a very cheap contract. Losing him hurts their depth more than it helps NOP. Which is exactly why I think NOP is holding the Lakers feet to the fire on this one.


One of the worst three point shooters in the league should be replaceable by ring chasing vets, no? This logic still doesn't check out. Again, if you get AD for a bunch of garbage, you do it.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#218 » by Fo-Real » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:46 pm

levon wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.

Pre-Lebron Lakers with Zion is easily the best young team in the league


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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#219 » by LouisLitt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 pm

Curious to see what all of those "I don't care if Davis walks, we're not being forced into a deal at the trade deadline, we'll wait for Tatum" Pelicans fans say after the Lakers fleece them.
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Re: Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade 

Post#220 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 pm

JB2 wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
JB2 wrote:Lakers keeping Kuzma is a huge win.

AD
Kuzma
LeBron
_____
Kyrie

Damn nice


Is this you Jeannie? Who's gonna play defense on this team?


Gordon Hayward


Who's actually a better defender than Kyrie and Kuzma even on 1 leg.
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