Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade

TheNewEra · Post #221 » by **TheNewEra** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:48 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
levon wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.

Pre-Lebron Lakers with Zion is easily the best young team in the league

And Jrue

And 4th pick. No way in hell the Pelicans should have to decide between 4 and Kuzma

BNM · Post #222 » by **BNM** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 pm

Jagic Mohnson wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.

worse, they could be portland and like charlie brown think its their year and then lucy pulls the football away and you slip and fall flat on your face every year since 1977.

You know what else would be funny, LAL getting AD and finishing behind POR for the 7th straight season. We all heard last summer after the Lakers signed LeBron about how the Lakers were going to challenge GSW and HOU and the Blazers were going to miss the playoffs. Yet, the Charlie Brown Blazers finished 16 games ahead of the Lakers

Since you brought up ancient history, when was the last time the Lakers actually had a winning record?

kriss73 · Post #223 » by **kriss73** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:51 pm

BNM wrote:
Jagic Mohnson wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.

worse, they could be portland and like charlie brown think its their year and then lucy pulls the football away and you slip and fall flat on your face every year since 1977.

You know what else would be funny, LAL getting AD and finishing behind POR for the 7th straight season. We all heard last summer after the Lakers signed LeBron about how the Lakers were going to challenge GSW and HOU and the Blazers were going to miss the playoffs. Yet, the Charlie Brown Blazers finished 16 games ahead of the Lakers

Since you brought up ancient history, when was the last time the Lakers actually had a winning record?

The same year the Sixers started The Process.

TreyKincade · Post #224 » by **TreyKincade** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:52 pm

What nobody is paying attention to is...

Why is the Laker offer being made public. Yet, No Celtics offer anywhere.

It’s just a leverage play to get the Lakers to offer more

Jagic Mohnson · Post #225 » by **Jagic Mohnson** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:53 pm

BNM wrote:
Jagic Mohnson wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:The Pelicans will basically just turn into pre-LeBron Lakers if they do that deal since they'll then have Ingram, Ball and Randle. Maybe they can pick up Russell in FA and get the whole awful band back together.

worse, they could be portland and like charlie brown think its their year and then lucy pulls the football away and you slip and fall flat on your face every year since 1977.

You know what else would be funny, LAL getting AD and finishing behind POR for the 7th straight season. We all heard last summer after the Lakers signed LeBron about how the Lakers were going to challenge GSW and HOU and the Blazers were going to miss the playoffs. Yet, the Charlie Brown Blazers finished 16 games ahead of the Lakers

Since you brought up ancient history, when was the last time the Lakers actually had a winning record?

its about tiles bro. you hang banners for making the playoffs in portland like the clippers do. you know the lakers will win a title before portland does and thats why you are so mad at the lakers possibly getting anthony davis. portland trailblazers got freakin swept and durant didnt even play. you guys should give yourselves a pat on the back for trying though, good job good effort there bubba.

PierceFan4ever · Post #226 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:54 pm

Makes sense for the pelicans to try to get this done soon. Draft is coming up. Both Boston and LA are likely offering picks so the pelicans want to get the trade done now so they can research and scout a bit before picking the players they want moving forward.

LKN · Post #227 » by **LKN** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:54 pm

If any of these rumors are true Griffin is an idiot and should be fired. He could easily get anything he wanted (other than Lebron) from the Lakers... he has all the leverage. They can not wait another year.

RCM88x · Post #228 » by **RCM88x** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:54 pm

Is this really news? Anyone could have assumed this.

LukasBMW · Post #229 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:55 pm

If the Pelicans can get #4, Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma for AD, that's a win.

Reroute #4 and Ingram for Beal
Keep Kuzma
Reroute Ball for another pick. Maybe 6 or 7 from Phoenix or Chicago.

Jrue
Beal
Kuzma
Zion

Not bad. Especially with their other solid players.

BNM · Post #230 » by **BNM** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:56 pm

LipSkinMatter wrote:
BNM wrote:
LipSkinMatter wrote:
You just waxed poetic about how bad Kuzma is and then said if the Lakers traded him they would be gutted. How can both be true? If he's that bad, what's the big deal if they lose him?

Because he's yet another rookie contract player the Lakers would have to replace, and a very cheap one at that ($1.9 million in 2019-20). Say the Lakers do cave and give up Kuzma, Ball and Ingram. They are taking back $9 million more in salary than they are sending out. That means rescinding all of their free agents to have $29 million in cap space with nine roster spots to fill. Of course, they can spend that on another max contract player and then fill out the remaining 8 roster spots with min contract guys - to me, that sounds pretty gutted.

Kuzma may not be great, and a poor fit next to Zion, but he is at least a rotation level player for the Lakers on a very cheap contract. Losing him hurts their depth more than it helps NOP. Which is exactly why I think NOP is holding the Lakers feet to the fire on this one.

One of the worst three point shooters in the league should be replaceable by ring chasing vets, no? This logic still doesn't check out. Again, if you get AD for a bunch of garbage, you do it.

How'd that work out for the Lakers last season? All those "ring chasing vets" they signed were even worse than Kuzma. Oh wait, never mind, Lance and Rondo actually shot better than Kuzma from distance.

And yes, of course you do it. My original point wasn't the Lakers should hold onto Kuzma at the risk of not getting Davis. My point was NOP is trying to punish the Lakers as much as possible. Kuzma is a poor fit next to Zion and doesn't want to play there. If they do get Kuzma, they will probably end up flipping him to another team eventually. His value lies in his $1.9 million contract, not because he's a guy you pass on AD for.

BNM · Post #231 » by **BNM** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:58 pm

LukasBMW wrote:If the Pelicans can get #4, Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma for AD, that's a win.

Reroute #4 and Ingram for Beal
Keep Juzma
Reroute Ball for another pick. Maybe 6 or 7 from Phoenix.

Jrue
Beal
Kuzma
Zion

Not bad. Especially with their other solid players.

This is why we keep hearing about a 3rd team being involved. NOP wants the Lakers to do the heavy lifting for them, by converting players that don't fit well next to Zion (Ball and Kuzma) into players that do (or picks that NOP will control).

Middle Child · Post #232 » by **Middle Child** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:59 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Merc85 wrote:
Middle Child wrote:
You can find another Kuzma.

#4, Zo, Ingram, Kuzma and whatever it takes to get AD.

What's the rest of the team then?

Would they another max available? If so Kemba Walker would work with those 2.

Yup. Still have Hart as well. And then fill with vet minimum talents.

LeBron and AD can carry you with 3/D guys around them just need another ball handler and another scoring threat(I think Melo is a given for them as well)

Kuzma should not stop you from getting AD.

levon · Post #233 » by **levon** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 pm

This thread is a bag of receipts for when the same people trashing the offer are talking about how great the Laker kids turned out to be on other teams 1-2 years from now. It's so predictable :lol:

FlatearthZorro · Post #234 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:04 pm

LukasBMW wrote:If the Pelicans can get #4, Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma for AD, that's a win.

Reroute #4 and Ingram for Beal
Keep Juzma
Reroute Ball for another pick. Maybe 6 or 7 from Phoenix.

Jrue
Beal
Kuzma
Zion

Not bad. Especially with their other solid players.

If you trade #6 for a guy who's been historically bad shooting the ball and has been injured 1 season out of 2, James the champ needs to be fired real quick. Holliday and Conley are on the market for you to acquire. Holiday is actually still 29..

This is kinda offtopic.. lol

bb22 · Post #235 » by **bb22** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:05 pm

Ya the Lakers are extremely lucky that Rich Paul is on their side. They are in complete control now.
Rumours of Kyrie declining his PO means that there will be no Kyrie + AD experiment. Kyrie is not signing a new max deal with the Celtics only for AD to leave in 2020.
Lakers should lowball the heck out of the Pelicans... and they deserve it for refusing that deadline offer.

Klayforspicy · Post #236 » by **Klayforspicy** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:06 pm

LKN wrote:If any of these rumors are true Griffin is an idiot and should be fired. He could easily get anything he wanted (other than Lebron) from the Lakers... he has all the leverage. They can not wait another year.

If it were up to Griffin this deal would of been done ages ago. Its the owners who are reluctant to cave in.

donato · Post #237 » by **donato** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:09 pm

bb22 wrote:Ya the Lakers are extremely lucky that Rich Paul is on their side. They are in complete control now.
Rumours of Kyrie declining his PO means that there will be no Kyrie + AD experiment. Kyrie is not signing a new max deal with the Celtics only for AD to leave in 2020.
Lakers should lowball the heck out of the Pelicans... and they deserve it for refusing that deadline offer.

1. Kyrie was always going to decline his PO even if he was 100% wanting to stay a Celtic.

2. Lakers have their feet to the fire because that team goes nowhere this year if they don't trade for AD and LeBron probably wants out.

3. Do you even basketball?

donato · Post #238 » by **donato** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:10 pm

Brandon_Roy wrote:
LKN wrote:If any of these rumors are true Griffin is an idiot and should be fired. He could easily get anything he wanted (other than Lebron) from the Lakers... he has all the leverage. They can not wait another year.
If it were up to Griffin this deal would of been done ages ago. Its the owners who are reluctant to cave in.

Nonsense. Griffin was given the keys to the castle when he was hired.

Blacksheep25 · Post #239 » by **Blacksheep25** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:10 pm

Lakers homers. If they trade Ball, Ingram and #4 for AD, how much cap do they have left? I know Kuzma is another 1.9 or whatever if he’s also in package.

Klayforspicy · Post #240 » by **Klayforspicy** » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:16 pm

donato wrote:
Brandon_Roy wrote:
LKN wrote:If any of these rumors are true Griffin is an idiot and should be fired. He could easily get anything he wanted (other than Lebron) from the Lakers... he has all the leverage. They can not wait another year.
If it were up to Griffin this deal would of been done ages ago. Its the owners who are reluctant to cave in.

Nonsense. Griffin was given the keys to the castle when he was hired.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/anthony-davis-trade-to-lakers-would-happen-over-my-dead-body-pelicans-owner/