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Post#341 » by Revived » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:26 pm

Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.
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Post#342 » by cberry78 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:27 pm

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BobbieL wrote:Listening to Gambo

He is adamant the 6th pick won’t be traded as he is a non shooter. They want a combo guard who can knock down shots. Good defender and passer.

But Gambo said “he doesn’t see it”

So I think it’s a lot of opinion


He said the they’d trade the Milwaukee or a future pick with I agree with. I think the Suns would trade a protected 1st but I don’t see New Orleans biting on that.

What if it's a Suns future FRP going to NO in an AD trade, since the Lakers are apparently offering up #4? Giving up a future FRP for Ball is pretty tolerable IMO. I don't see how NO would be interested in having picks 1, 4, & 6 in a mediocre (at best) draft, they might view a future, lightly protected (top 4 or 5?) pick as having more value than what is available this year.

Unless they think they can package this year's 4 & 6 to move up to #2 and draft both Zion and Ja, which would most likely mean that they know Jrue is out the door as well.
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Post#343 » by alamin330 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:30 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:

How do you know? I’m sure you thought very highly of josh jackson when we drafted him. For suns sake if we draft Clarke I hope you’re right, but he can easily be a bust as well. If he was so great he’d be mentioned as a top 5 or even top 3 player in this weak draft. He can barely crack top 10 in mock drafts. There’s a reason for that.


A lot of teams draft young guys for upside and not NBA ready guys. He is 2-5 or so on a lot of big boards. Now he could be a bust like Josh but given his historically great college production, likely not. I think he goes a lot higher than many mocks anticipate and wouldn't be surprised if some teams that like him in the top 10 or 12 are not telling the mock guys that they rate him highly (even if they do).

I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.
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Post#344 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:34 pm

I have a feeling the best offseason will be some sneaky good under the radar moves that actually help the team but don't win a news cycle. Suns Twitter will cry a bunch because they want the splash moves or didn't draft the dude they wanted.

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Post#345 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:36 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:How do you know? I’m sure you thought very highly of josh jackson when we drafted him. For suns sake if we draft Clarke I hope you’re right, but he can easily be a bust as well. If he was so great he’d be mentioned as a top 5 or even top 3 player in this weak draft. He can barely crack top 10 in mock drafts. There’s a reason for that.


A lot of teams draft young guys for upside and not NBA ready guys. He is 2-5 or so on a lot of big boards. Now he could be a bust like Josh but given his historically great college production, likely not. I think he goes a lot higher than many mocks anticipate and wouldn't be surprised if some teams that like him in the top 10 or 12 are not telling the mock guys that they rate him highly (even if they do).

I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.


We already have 2-3 wings better than Josh, we don't have a rim protector, we lack rebounding, we lack efficiency, we lack bbiq. Clarke was more efficient than Ayton was last year. He blocked a hell of a lot more shots despite the size and length limitations.

This is a dumb argument. I'd be surprised if ANY team would take current Josh over current Brandon Clarke.
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Post#346 » by bwoolf2 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:37 pm

Kerrsed wrote:This absolutely sucks.

I mean im at a point where i really believe that AD will end up a Laker. Rich Paul is doing everything in his power in order to do so, and what Lebron wants Lebron gets. Ball/Ingram/Kuz for Davis is an absolute outrage. Like i understand thats probably not what the Pelicans end up getting, but that is probably what the Lakers end up giving up (With a 3rd team involved) and thats just peanuts.

And honestly i hate Gambo and dont trust him for s**t, but i do believe that what he is saying is correct. White will be our target in the draft and we will go after a stop gap PG in FA. I can deal with that.....so long as that stop gap PG is PatBev. Look at the numbers Booker put up last year. We would be ecstatic to get a PG that was doing that. 26 points and 7 assists a game....and that was in that f**ked up blender offense that was truly awful. I believe the plan is to go with another combo guard so the ball isnt taken out of Bookers hands all the time, because honestly he does great things with it in his hands. This past season we lacked any firepower from the PG spot, which meant that Booker was guarded more heavily and forced to take more bad shots. Put a competent 3 point shooter/scorer next to him and those things wouldnt be as big of an issue. It would also be a major plus if that said player was also a solid defender, which once again points me towards PatBev.

Now the issue becomes what do we do at PF? Drafting White and adding PatBev would effectively give us 5 PG's under contract. So a few would have to leave via trade. None of them are that good and none of our other pieces would really help that, so its almost like we would have to be forced into also taking back a bad contract.


If that's what we are set up to do maybe Jackson Milwaukee and future 1st would be preferred for the Pelicans since I believe Zion is a 4, would like to steal Kuz in that deal I'm a big fan and think Lebron hurt his growth last year, but that's just me...
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Post#347 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:37 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
A lot of teams draft young guys for upside and not NBA ready guys. He is 2-5 or so on a lot of big boards. Now he could be a bust like Josh but given his historically great college production, likely not. I think he goes a lot higher than many mocks anticipate and wouldn't be surprised if some teams that like him in the top 10 or 12 are not telling the mock guys that they rate him highly (even if they do).

I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.


We already have 2-3 wings better than Josh, we don't have a rim protector, we lack rebounding, we lack efficiency, we lack bbiq. Clarke was more efficient than Ayton was last year. He blocked a hell of a lot more shots despite the size and length limitations.

This is a dumb argument. I'd be surprised if ANY team would take current Josh over current Brandon Clarke.
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Post#348 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:38 pm

Revived wrote:Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.


Doesn't really matter if he plays well enough to get another max.
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Post#349 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:39 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I have a feeling the best offseason will be some sneaky good under the radar moves that actually help the team but don't win a news cycle. Suns Twitter will cry a bunch because they want the splash moves or didn't draft the dude they wanted.

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I have been advocating good quantity this offseason. Fill a few spots: PG PF and maybe a shooter off bench - especially if they move TJ Warren
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Post#350 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:41 pm

darmani wrote:I wonder what everyone's opinion about Lonzo would be, if instead of getting drafted at #2 by the Lakers, he was drafted at #27 and spent the last 2 seasons in Charlotte or Indiana.


I'd probably be higher on him if he hadn't played for the Lakers and he made far closer to the minimum. I'm just looking at his production. Doesn't matter how high they were drafted. Look at Fultz and Jackson.
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Post#351 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:44 pm

Kerrsed wrote:This absolutely sucks.

I mean im at a point where i really believe that AD will end up a Laker. Rich Paul is doing everything in his power in order to do so, and what Lebron wants Lebron gets. Ball/Ingram/Kuz for Davis is an absolute outrage. Like i understand thats probably not what the Pelicans end up getting, but that is probably what the Lakers end up giving up (With a 3rd team involved) and thats just peanuts.

And honestly i hate Gambo and dont trust him for s**t, but i do believe that what he is saying is correct. White will be our target in the draft and we will go after a stop gap PG in FA. I can deal with that.....so long as that stop gap PG is PatBev. Look at the numbers Booker put up last year. We would be ecstatic to get a PG that was doing that. 26 points and 7 assists a game....and that was in that f**ked up blender offense that was truly awful. I believe the plan is to go with another combo guard so the ball isnt taken out of Bookers hands all the time, because honestly he does great things with it in his hands. This past season we lacked any firepower from the PG spot, which meant that Booker was guarded more heavily and forced to take more bad shots. Put a competent 3 point shooter/scorer next to him and those things wouldnt be as big of an issue. It would also be a major plus if that said player was also a solid defender, which once again points me towards PatBev.

Now the issue becomes what do we do at PF? Drafting White and adding PatBev would effectively give us 5 PG's under contract. So a few would have to leave via trade. None of them are that good and none of our other pieces would really help that, so its almost like we would have to be forced into also taking back a bad contract.


I think he's just assuming White because we need a PG. He doesn't know anything.
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Post#352 » by Kerrsed » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:52 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:This absolutely sucks.

I mean im at a point where i really believe that AD will end up a Laker. Rich Paul is doing everything in his power in order to do so, and what Lebron wants Lebron gets. Ball/Ingram/Kuz for Davis is an absolute outrage. Like i understand thats probably not what the Pelicans end up getting, but that is probably what the Lakers end up giving up (With a 3rd team involved) and thats just peanuts.

And honestly i hate Gambo and dont trust him for s**t, but i do believe that what he is saying is correct. White will be our target in the draft and we will go after a stop gap PG in FA. I can deal with that.....so long as that stop gap PG is PatBev. Look at the numbers Booker put up last year. We would be ecstatic to get a PG that was doing that. 26 points and 7 assists a game....and that was in that f**ked up blender offense that was truly awful. I believe the plan is to go with another combo guard so the ball isnt taken out of Bookers hands all the time, because honestly he does great things with it in his hands. This past season we lacked any firepower from the PG spot, which meant that Booker was guarded more heavily and forced to take more bad shots. Put a competent 3 point shooter/scorer next to him and those things wouldnt be as big of an issue. It would also be a major plus if that said player was also a solid defender, which once again points me towards PatBev.

Now the issue becomes what do we do at PF? Drafting White and adding PatBev would effectively give us 5 PG's under contract. So a few would have to leave via trade. None of them are that good and none of our other pieces would really help that, so its almost like we would have to be forced into also taking back a bad contract.


I think he's just assuming White because we need a PG. He doesn't know anything.


I think Culver is our 1a and White is our 1b. The likelihood Culver is still on the board is low, meaning we end up with White.
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Post#353 » by alamin330 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
A lot of teams draft young guys for upside and not NBA ready guys. He is 2-5 or so on a lot of big boards. Now he could be a bust like Josh but given his historically great college production, likely not. I think he goes a lot higher than many mocks anticipate and wouldn't be surprised if some teams that like him in the top 10 or 12 are not telling the mock guys that they rate him highly (even if they do).

I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.


We already have 2-3 wings better than Josh, we don't have a rim protector, we lack rebounding, we lack efficiency, we lack bbiq. Clarke was more efficient than Ayton was last year. He blocked a hell of a lot more shots despite the size and length limitations.

This is a dumb argument. I'd be surprised if ANY team would take current Josh over current Brandon Clarke.

It is a pretty dumb argument. Clarke and jackson are a wash. U essentially want to get rid of josh for next to nothing and hire his replacement in Clarke who will be just as bad or worse.
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Post#354 » by bigfoot » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:01 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.


We already have 2-3 wings better than Josh, we don't have a rim protector, we lack rebounding, we lack efficiency, we lack bbiq. Clarke was more efficient than Ayton was last year. He blocked a hell of a lot more shots despite the size and length limitations.

This is a dumb argument. I'd be surprised if ANY team would take current Josh over current Brandon Clarke.
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Post#355 » by Wilber85 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:07 pm

Revived wrote:Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.


Let’s do a 3 team trade

Suns : send out Jackson, booker , #6
Lakers : send ball, Ingram , #4
Wizards : beal
Pelicans : AD

Suns get Beal , Ball
Lakers get : AD
Wizards : Booker
Pelicans : Ingram , Jackson , 4 & 6

Suns sign mirotic

Ball
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Lol jk , just don’t like klutch clients

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Post#356 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 pm

alamin330 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:I dont know. Use that same energy for Josh jackson. Hire nurse and help with his shot and give Monty and the coaching staff a fair chance to mentor and develop him and let’s try to stay away from questionable players like Clarke since we already have about 4 of those on the roster.


We already have 2-3 wings better than Josh, we don't have a rim protector, we lack rebounding, we lack efficiency, we lack bbiq. Clarke was more efficient than Ayton was last year. He blocked a hell of a lot more shots despite the size and length limitations.

This is a dumb argument. I'd be surprised if ANY team would take current Josh over current Brandon Clarke.

It is a pretty dumb argument. Clarke and jackson are a wash. U essentially want to get rid of josh for next to nothing and hire his replacement in Clarke who will be just as bad or worse.


I don't care if we keep Josh, though with the upcoming option for next season, if they don't want to commit for 2 years, they may look to trade him. I don't see how Clarke is replacing him though. Josh certainly isn't a PF.
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Post#357 » by darealjuice » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:24 pm

I can't say I saw "it" from Coby White when I watched North Carolina. I didn't think he had very good ball handling, he got out of control more than I'd like, his playmaking left something to be desired, and I think him being a plus defender is more projection because he's tall for a point guard than his actual defense in college. I don't think he's quite as quick/athletic as he's being sold as either. I like that he finishes around the rim well and can see him being a solid shooter with his 3PT%, FT%, and shot difficulty, but I don't know if I see a franchise point guard in him. Then again, we're not getting a franchise player by trading the pick either. I've seen people compare him to a Murray/Fox-hybrid though, and we'd be in great shape if that came true.

I'm personally not mad to hear we wouldn't trade the pick for Ball, Conley, or Dinwiddie. I get not wanting to get younger, but they don't match-up value-wise or make sense for us. Ball has been injury prone and can't shoot his way out of a wet paper bag. Dinwiddie is a good player, but he's not worth the 6th pick and I don't know if I'm sold on him being a starting point guard on a playoff team. Conley just doesn't make sense for this team. Very good player, but injury history, age, and contract situation make it a pretty easy decision with where we are. I'm all for improvement, but it should be substantial and long-term if we're giving up our draft pick. This draft doesn't compare to last year, but it's not the 2000 Draft either.
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Post#358 » by Revived » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:35 pm

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Revived wrote:Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.


Let’s do a 3 team trade

Suns : send out Jackson, booker , #6
Lakers : send ball, Ingram , #4
Wizards : beal
Pelicans : AD

Suns get Beal , Ball
Lakers get : AD
Wizards : Booker
Pelicans : Ingram , Jackson , 4 & 6

Suns sign mirotic

Ball
Beal
Oubre
Mirotic
Ayton

Lol jk , just don’t like klutch clients

Had y’all wondering wth I am talking about

Lol I was just about to start writing a long response out but then read the last part and was like “okay, good”.
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Post#359 » by Blonde » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:36 pm

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Post#360 » by Revived » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:37 pm

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Revived wrote:Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.


Doesn't really matter if he plays well enough to get another max.

It’s not necessarily the $$ I’d be concerned about but if he will force his way to a big market eventually because of Rich Paul/LeBron’s influence.

Booker is a young good looking, light skinned player too so he’s even much more marketable than the average NBA player.

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