2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[lilfishi22]

For what it's worth, the Lakers we're reported to be including kuzma in that trade who now all the sudden is off the table. Klutch 1 everyone else 0

For all the LULZ we got from the Pels playing LA during the season and making the Laker front office look like a joke while destroying the chemistry of that team, it's kind of looking like LA might have the last laugh. The package being offered by LA seems to be even less than what was offered mid-season while RP is doing his thing to scare off Boston.

[lilfishi22]

I would just trade for AD and take the chance on resigning him. Tj, Josh, 6th pick, bucks pick, 2021 pick top 3 protected, throw in Melton if you like and another pick if they desire. I think Monty can convince him to stay. We can all agree that TJ and Josh are the least liked players on this forum and the 6th pick looks depressing. Bucks pick will be late. All we give up really are 2 protected picks and we’ll probably be in the playoffs by then. Give them whatever they want not named booker, ayton, bridges.
I just feel like griffin wouldn’t just because he’s a hater

Except none of that is enough to get it done, even if you throw in Melton and another pick (lol)

Even you're talking down the assets you're looking to move in a trade so why on Earth would the Pels want that crap pile?

What if we send them 2 unprotected FRP?

Based on Woj (I think), the Pels were after an all-star level player, young players with all-star potential and picks. TJ and JJ are neither all star level nor potential all-stars and while those picks are nice, it's just not enough.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah Kyrie to Brooklyn is basically a sure thing. Going to be interesting to see how the Kyrie and Russell pairing works in the backcourt, assuming they keep him. Also interested to see how they manage their backcourt minutes with Dinwiddie as well. Too much talent is a good problem to have though.

I wonder if Kyrie pretty clearly signaling that he's leaving will change Boston's approach with AD, especially with Rich Paul's posturing today. It makes sense to not include Tatum without a long-term deal. I'm sure Boston will still put up a good offer, but I don't think they sell the farm anymore. I could see them keeping Rozier too. Unfortunately AD to the Lakers looks pretty inevitable at this point.

If Boston thought Kyrie was coming back they were kidding themselves. He's been gone since they walked off the floor in Milwaukee. I wonder if the Boston AD stuff is a little bluff to goose the Lakers out of more in that trade.

They don't have to move anyone but I'd bet one of dinwiddie or Russell isn't on that team to start next season. At some point you can have too many guards who are best with the ball in their hands and you start to have dimished returns.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I would just trade for AD and take the chance on resigning him. Tj, Josh, 6th pick, bucks pick, 2021 pick top 3 protected, throw in Melton if you like and another pick if they desire. I think Monty can convince him to stay. We can all agree that TJ and Josh are the least liked players on this forum and the 6th pick looks depressing. Bucks pick will be late. All we give up really are 2 protected picks and we’ll probably be in the playoffs by then. Give them whatever they want not named booker, ayton, bridges.
I just feel like griffin wouldn’t just because he’s a hater

Except none of that is enough to get it done, even if you throw in Melton and another pick (lol)

Even you're talking down the assets you're looking to move in a trade so why on Earth would the Pels want that crap pile?

What if we send them 2 unprotected FRP?

Then James Jones should be relieved of his duties



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[Waylay13]

My favorite screw it lets get weird offseason move would be to trade for Justice Winslow and play him at the point. He did some nice things in that role when all Miami's guys were hurt last season. They would be a big switchy group.

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Why would you want to trade for a player who has never spent a minute at point guard to run point? One of my favorite things on basketball-reference.com is that you can see how much time a player has played at a position. Justice spent most of his time at small forward and power forward. With only a touch at shooting guard.

[WeekapaugGroove]

My favorite screw it lets get weird offseason move would be to trade for Justice Winslow and play him at the point. He did some nice things in that role when all Miami's guys were hurt last season. They would be a big switchy group.

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Why would you want to trade for a player who has never spent a minute at point guard to run point? One of my favorite things on basketball-reference.com is that you can see how much time a player has played at a position. Justice spent most of his time at small forward and power forward. With only a touch at shooting guard.

He played point for them last year for about 20 games when they were killed by injury. He got hurt and dragic came back so it stalled out the expirment.

BB reference is an awesome site but their position breakdowns arent always the most accurate.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/11/justise-winslow-miami-heat-point-guard-ceiling-development

https://clutchpoints.com/heat-news-erik-spoelstra-names-justise-winslow-as-starting-pg/

https://allucanheat.com/2018/06/29/miami-heat-justise-winslow-experiment/


I'm not sure it would work long term just bored and throwing out off the wall ideas. Plus I probably have a soft spot for Winslow because I picked him off the waiver wire in my fantasy league right around his PG time and he helped me win a championship lol
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[lilfishi22]

My favorite screw it lets get weird offseason move would be to trade for Justice Winslow and play him at the point. He did some nice things in that role when all Miami's guys were hurt last season. They would be a big switchy group.

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Why would you want to trade for a player who has never spent a minute at point guard to run point? One of my favorite things on basketball-reference.com is that you can see how much time a player has played at a position. Justice spent most of his time at small forward and power forward. With only a touch at shooting guard.

Except he has and the time played at a position on BRef is a flawed estimate. It seem to look at who else is on the court at the time and doesn't actually take into account who has primary ball handling duties

Lebron James for example we all know is the true PG on the court even if he's playing with another PG yet if you look at his BRef position estimate, he's essentially never played PG. I mean, are we to believe that Booker has only run point a combined 11% of the minutes he's played over the last two seasons?

[grumpysaddle]

I would just trade for AD and take the chance on resigning him. Tj, Josh, 6th pick, bucks pick, 2021 pick top 3 protected, throw in Melton if you like and another pick if they desire. I think Monty can convince him to stay. We can all agree that TJ and Josh are the least liked players on this forum and the 6th pick looks depressing. Bucks pick will be late. All we give up really are 2 protected picks and we’ll probably be in the playoffs by then. Give them whatever they want not named booker, ayton, bridges.
I just feel like griffin wouldn’t just because he’s a hater

TJ Warren? Least liked? I haven't seen anyone not like him. People are just obsessed with including him in trades for some ridiculous reason. This trade is not how you rebuild. Davis goes at the first chance he gets.

[bwgood77]

I don't think Miami has any interest in trading Winslow.

[bigfoot]

I would just trade for AD and take the chance on resigning him. Tj, Josh, 6th pick, bucks pick, 2021 pick top 3 protected, throw in Melton if you like and another pick if they desire. I think Monty can convince him to stay. We can all agree that TJ and Josh are the least liked players on this forum and the 6th pick looks depressing. Bucks pick will be late. All we give up really are 2 protected picks and we’ll probably be in the playoffs by then. Give them whatever they want not named booker, ayton, bridges.
I just feel like griffin wouldn’t just because he’s a hater

TJ Warren? Least liked? I haven't seen anyone not like him. People are just obsessed with including him in trades for some ridiculous reason. This trade is not how you rebuild. Davis goes at the first chance he gets.

I've been on the keep Warren train. Giving up that much for a one year rental of AD would be ridiculous.

[bigfoot]

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[Crives]

If I am Boston, I’m holding off the AD trade until later in FA. As soon as the Lakers sign any big $ FA their trade leverage dies because they won’t be able to sign AD next summer and everyone else’s offers will skyrocket. Lakers will get pressured to make a bigger offer as soon as FA hits as they will have to wait on the sidelines while all of the upper middle tear of FA start signing deals.

I think Griffin knows this.

[Ghost of Kleine]

This absolutely sucks.

I mean im at a point where i really believe that AD will end up a Laker. Rich Paul is doing everything in his power in order to do so, and what Lebron wants Lebron gets. Ball/Ingram/Kuz for Davis is an absolute outrage. Like i understand thats probably not what the Pelicans end up getting, but that is probably what the Lakers end up giving up (With a 3rd team involved) and thats just peanuts.

And honestly i hate Gambo and dont trust him for s**t, but i do believe that what he is saying is correct. White will be our target in the draft and we will go after a stop gap PG in FA. I can deal with that.....so long as that stop gap PG is PatBev. Look at the numbers Booker put up last year. We would be ecstatic to get a PG that was doing that. 26 points and 7 assists a game....and that was in that f**ked up blender offense that was truly awful. I believe the plan is to go with another combo guard so the ball isnt taken out of Bookers hands all the time, because honestly he does great things with it in his hands. This past season we lacked any firepower from the PG spot, which meant that Booker was guarded more heavily and forced to take more bad shots. Put a competent 3 point shooter/scorer next to him and those things wouldnt be as big of an issue. It would also be a major plus if that said player was also a solid defender, which once again points me towards PatBev.

Now the issue becomes what do we do at PF? Drafting White and adding PatBev would effectively give us 5 PG's under contract. So a few would have to leave via trade. None of them are that good and none of our other pieces would really help that, so its almost like we would have to be forced into also taking back a bad contract.

I think he's just assuming White because we need a PG. He doesn't know anything.

I think there could be merit to what he's saying......

For instance, Perhaps we did like Culver enough to take him at 6, But have found out that Atlanta has a deal in place to trade up with Cleveland, meaning he won't be available when we pick anyways.

So with that knowledge, And the knowledge that Minnesota does covet White, We may have missed out on Culver at 6, and an Atlanta trade back scenario.

But having White at 6, Now allows us to possibly trade back with Minnesota and pick up an additional asset in return. Maybe something like Saric and 11 for the 6th pick?

Then we could possibly move Jackson or Warren to Atlanta for the 27th pick( Ty Jerome) and cap space or to Cleveland for Smith's expiring.

The point is, we don't yet know what the overall plan is. So it's unreasonable to get super upset before we know the full outcome on draft night.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Booker’s brother just posted a pic of Rich Paul on his Instagram story with the “goat” emojis.

I think Booker eventually signs with Klutch. LeBron knew what he was doing when he was singing Booker’s praises just few years ago.

I've mentioned this not long ago that we need to have a working relationship with Klutch, no matter how much we despise Rich Paul. We can't just blacklist them, it's unprofessional and it's detrimental with more and more NBA players seemingly signing with Klutch. We don't have an issue now with Rich Paul since we don't have any Klutch clients but I would rather have an understanding and build a working relationship with Klutch in the event that someone (like Booker) signs with them in the future and we have no choice but to deal with them. And I'd rather deal with them already having a professional relationship than to try and defrost that relationship first before dealing with them.

Absolutely. I'd use the Jones and LeBron friendship to try and join the dark side and become a klutch destination. Better than being an enemy.

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Except that under the reality of still being a smaller market, Paul would still direct the prime pieces to the bigger markets, as it'd mean much a much bigger cut going back to him from endorsement deals, sponsors, etc. And we'd get the leftovers and 2nd hand talent in the end.

Rich Paul and Klutch is cancerous. Best to try and operate outside of their scope. Because even if you're doing it to ingratiate yourself with him in the hopes of keeping Booker, should he sign with him. Paul would steer him to a bigger market regardless.

[bwgood77]

This absolutely sucks.

I mean im at a point where i really believe that AD will end up a Laker. Rich Paul is doing everything in his power in order to do so, and what Lebron wants Lebron gets. Ball/Ingram/Kuz for Davis is an absolute outrage. Like i understand thats probably not what the Pelicans end up getting, but that is probably what the Lakers end up giving up (With a 3rd team involved) and thats just peanuts.

And honestly i hate Gambo and dont trust him for s**t, but i do believe that what he is saying is correct. White will be our target in the draft and we will go after a stop gap PG in FA. I can deal with that.....so long as that stop gap PG is PatBev. Look at the numbers Booker put up last year. We would be ecstatic to get a PG that was doing that. 26 points and 7 assists a game....and that was in that f**ked up blender offense that was truly awful. I believe the plan is to go with another combo guard so the ball isnt taken out of Bookers hands all the time, because honestly he does great things with it in his hands. This past season we lacked any firepower from the PG spot, which meant that Booker was guarded more heavily and forced to take more bad shots. Put a competent 3 point shooter/scorer next to him and those things wouldnt be as big of an issue. It would also be a major plus if that said player was also a solid defender, which once again points me towards PatBev.

Now the issue becomes what do we do at PF? Drafting White and adding PatBev would effectively give us 5 PG's under contract. So a few would have to leave via trade. None of them are that good and none of our other pieces would really help that, so its almost like we would have to be forced into also taking back a bad contract.

I think he's just assuming White because we need a PG. He doesn't know anything.

I think there could be merit to what he's saying......

For instance, Perhaps we did like Culver enough to take him at 6, But have found out that Atlanta has a deal in place to trade up with Cleveland, meaning he won't be available when we pick anyways.

So with that knowledge, And the knowledge that Minnesota does covet White, We may have missed out on Culver at 6, and an Atlanta trade back scenario.

But having White at 6, Now allows us to possibly trade back with Minnesota and pick up an additional asset in return. Maybe something like Saric and 11 for the 6th pick?

Then we could possibly move Jackson or Warren to Atlanta for the 27th pick( Ty Jerome) and cap space or to Cleveland for Smith's expiring.

The point is, we don't yet know what the overall plan is. So it's unreasonable to get super upset before we know the full outcome on draft night.

They are not trading Saric to move up 5 spots in the draft. They may try and trade Teague to do it, but we would likely decline that (I hope). They might do Tyus Jones, and in that case it could potentially be worth considering...because we get a PG with a few years experience and the best ast/to ratio in the NBA and could take Clarke or Washington at 11.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think he's just assuming White because we need a PG. He doesn't know anything.

I think there could be merit to what he's saying......

For instance, Perhaps we did like Culver enough to take him at 6, But have found out that Atlanta has a deal in place to trade up with Cleveland, meaning he won't be available when we pick anyways.

So with that knowledge, And the knowledge that Minnesota does covet White, We may have missed out on Culver at 6, and an Atlanta trade back scenario.

But having White at 6, Now allows us to possibly trade back with Minnesota and pick up an additional asset in return. Maybe something like Saric and 11 for the 6th pick?

Then we could possibly move Jackson or Warren to Atlanta for the 27th pick( Ty Jerome) and cap space or to Cleveland for Smith's expiring.

The point is, we don't yet know what the overall plan is. So it's unreasonable to get super upset before we know the full outcome on draft night.

They are not trading Saric to move up 5 spots in the draft. They may try and trade Teague to do it, but we would likely decline that (I hope). They might do Tyus Jones, and in that case it could potentially be worth considering...because we get a PG with a few years experience and the best ast/to ratio in the NBA and could take Clarke or Washington at 11.

I thought about Tyus Jones first actually, But isn't he a free agent ( restricted or not?).

And can/ would they resign him, just to be able to trade him to us?

[Wilber85]

My favorite screw it lets get weird offseason move would be to trade for Justice Winslow and play him at the point. He did some nice things in that role when all Miami's guys were hurt last season. They would be a big switchy group.

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Why would you want to trade for a player who has never spent a minute at point guard to run point? One of my favorite things on basketball-reference.com is that you can see how much time a player has played at a position. Justice spent most of his time at small forward and power forward. With only a touch at shooting guard.

He played point for them last year for about 20 games when they were killed by injury. He got hurt and dragic came back so it stalled out the expirment.

BB reference is an awesome site but their position breakdowns arent always the most accurate.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/11/justise-winslow-miami-heat-point-guard-ceiling-development

https://clutchpoints.com/heat-news-erik-spoelstra-names-justise-winslow-as-starting-pg/

https://allucanheat.com/2018/06/29/miami-heat-justise-winslow-experiment/


I'm not sure it would work long term just bored and throwing out off the wall ideas. Plus I probably have a soft spot for Winslow because I picked him off the waiver wire in my fantasy league right around his PG time and he helped me win a championship lol
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How about we get a real Pg ...... please

[bwgood77]

I think there could be merit to what he's saying......

For instance, Perhaps we did like Culver enough to take him at 6, But have found out that Atlanta has a deal in place to trade up with Cleveland, meaning he won't be available when we pick anyways.

So with that knowledge, And the knowledge that Minnesota does covet White, We may have missed out on Culver at 6, and an Atlanta trade back scenario.

But having White at 6, Now allows us to possibly trade back with Minnesota and pick up an additional asset in return. Maybe something like Saric and 11 for the 6th pick?

Then we could possibly move Jackson or Warren to Atlanta for the 27th pick( Ty Jerome) and cap space or to Cleveland for Smith's expiring.

The point is, we don't yet know what the overall plan is. So it's unreasonable to get super upset before we know the full outcome on draft night.

They are not trading Saric to move up 5 spots in the draft. They may try and trade Teague to do it, but we would likely decline that (I hope). They might do Tyus Jones, and in that case it could potentially be worth considering...because we get a PG with a few years experience and the best ast/to ratio in the NBA and could take Clarke or Washington at 11.

I thought about Tyus Jones first actually, But isn't he a free agent ( restricted or not?).

And can/ would they resign him, just to be able to trade him to us?

Oh, I knew he was a RFA and was thinking you could trade for them (even though I have said you can't when talking DLo) so yeah, that doesn't work.

It would likely be a future pick or possibly someone like Keita Bates-Diop if we thought he was worth taking a shot at PF or backup PF.

[lilfishi22]

I've mentioned this not long ago that we need to have a working relationship with Klutch, no matter how much we despise Rich Paul. We can't just blacklist them, it's unprofessional and it's detrimental with more and more NBA players seemingly signing with Klutch. We don't have an issue now with Rich Paul since we don't have any Klutch clients but I would rather have an understanding and build a working relationship with Klutch in the event that someone (like Booker) signs with them in the future and we have no choice but to deal with them. And I'd rather deal with them already having a professional relationship than to try and defrost that relationship first before dealing with them.

Absolutely. I'd use the Jones and LeBron friendship to try and join the dark side and become a klutch destination. Better than being an enemy.

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Except that under the reality of still being a smaller market, Paul would still direct the prime pieces to the bigger markets, as it'd mean much a much bigger cut going back to him from endorsement deals, sponsors, etc. And we'd get the leftovers and 2nd hand talent in the end.

Rich Paul and Klutch is cancerous. Best to try and operate outside of their scope. Because even if you're doing it to ingratiate yourself with him in the hopes of keeping Booker, should he sign with him. Paul would steer him to a bigger market regardless.

That's great right now because we have a choice. What if we don't have that choice? What if a Booker, Ayton or whoever we draft that turns into a semi-star sign with Klutch? Should Booker or Ayton or some other player on our roster sign with Klutch, I'd much rather negotiate from a favorable position of understanding than one in which RP knows we've spurned them at every turn.

I see nothing wrong with having a working relationship with them. I'd rather be friendly with them and have some sway than not at all and seeing each other as enemies. Hate it or not, the reality is that the Klutch client list is getting bigger and they don't have just top talent, they have mid-level guys and lower level guys too now. As I said, it would be unprofessional and potentially hurt what bargaining power we might have if we don't even have a working relationship at all. The NBA is all about relationships

I'm sure there are people you work with in your professional life that you don't particularly like (personally or professionally) but you keep it professional because there may be a time when you need to collaborate or you need to call in a favor.

[Blonde]

I'm in the boat that we should hold off on a trade until free agency opens unless it's something obvious like Jrue. I want to wait and see how the D'angelo Russell situation plays out with Kryie all but confirmed going to Brooklyn. They can likely get one of Durant, Tobias Harris, or Jimmy Butler in addition to Kyrie, but would need to release D'Lo. Personally, if I'm the Nets I'd let D'Lo walk for KD or Butler in a heartbeat, but probably not for Harris.

If D'Lo gets released, we will have maintained flexibility to open up space and sign him outright. If the Nets keep him, oh well, you didn't really lose anything by waiting.