Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

CelticFaninLBC · Post #821 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:14 pm

I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

GoCeltics123 · Post #822 » by **GoCeltics123** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:14 pm

ajones9219 wrote:Its simple, we kill the batman

Disinformation · Post #823 » by **Disinformation** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:15 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Afam wrote:If the celtics give up Tatum, they can't lose AD. I feel like they will do almost everything to appease Rich Paul short of putting him on the coaching staff.

Rich Paul wont be his agent if he resigns here

Maybe AD can fire him and hire Rich Gotham's twin brother to be his agent. :roll:

watsonthedragon · Post #824 » by **watsonthedragon** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:15 pm

You guys think today will be slow and quiet with the finals game tonight? I'm dying for a Woj/Sham/reload/ddb-bomb

Tyakack · Post #825 » by **Tyakack** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:15 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Tyakack wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:KD is a beta who won by joining a 73 win team lol. Do you think the current Celtics are a 73 win team? And thats before depleting our roster just to get AD here in te first place.

Not sure how this is an emotional or personal take at all really..just dealing in reality here. It seems to me you're looking for a short cut but not taking into account the long term ramifications if AD bolts (which he's already given every indication of doing)

A short cut? I wouldn't call looking to acquire a superstar a "short cut". That's kind of like...........required.....to win championships. Long term ramifications? If we trade for AD and he leaves we won't be a championship team. If we don't, we won't be a championship team.

Either way we won't be close at all to being a championship team and we will be rebuilding after losing both kyrie and AD. At least if we go the AD route we give ourselves a chance to both win in the first year and win him over and get him to stay.

You're simplifying this way too much.

AD leaving = not a championship team
Not trading for AD = Not a championship team

The two above are not as equal as youre making it out to be

Scenario #1 we are left with half of what we have right now currently
Scenario #2 we still have draft picks, both of Brown and Tatum, Smart, etc

AD has proven he comes nowhere close to a title when it's just him as the star. What's our other avenue to a star once we trade most of our chips for AD? No cap space, no picks, no more Tatums to flip.

I agree they aren't completely equal

I would rather be in scenario 1. A complete rebuild and a lottery team instead of a middling team going no where. There's no worse place to be in the NBA than where we would likely be in scenario 2.

Brown tatum and smart as our core is doing nothing in this league other than being just good enough to not completely suck. Which is actually bad and the last thing we need.

The point is, neither scenario is GOOD, or IDEAL........and there's only one scenario of the 3 in which we have any chance to compete for championships anytime soon. I'll give you a hint to which one that is............the one with the superstar on it.

Scarletfire81 · Post #826 » by **Scarletfire81** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:15 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

Yes but there is no indication we can get AD without giving Tatum.

FlatearthZorro · Post #827 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:16 pm

Afam wrote:If the celtics give up Tatum, they can't lose AD. I feel like they will do almost everything to appease Rich Paul short of putting him on the coaching staff.

I don't think they need to do much. If AD is playing hard and can avoid injuries(we can rest him), I think he will find out why the Celtics are arguably the best sports franchise in ALL of sports. And why it's special to be a Celtic- the love, the fans, everything. Get Tommy to invite him to dinners and hang out with him, have Horfie father him the entire timem, etc, etc( :lol:

). Maybe get him a date with Adriana Lima if need be(she's kinda old but still GOLD)....

return2glory · Post #828 » by **return2glory** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:16 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
return2glory wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:Guys, its simple. Give up Tatum.

Basically. Overpay, then you guys get AD the following year. That’s what it comes down to.

I don’t think thats true. They will not have the same cap space next year which is why they are pushing so hard now to get it done via trade. Also, if they get him in a trade they can still sign another max guy this year. I think its all about THIS year for LAL.

No, don’t get me wrong. The Lakers want the deal to happen in the next deal days. Lebron isn’t going to wait another year when he is a year older. The Laker fan base is putting pressure on ownership too.

It’s the Lakers deal to lose as I’ve said earlier. In the end they will be bidding against themselves and will overpay.

Post #829 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:17 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:You guys think today will be slow and quiet with the finals game tonight? I'm dying for a Woj/Sham/reload/ddb-bomb

The less you hear the better its going for us

Tiny ball · Post #830 » by **Tiny ball** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:18 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Afam wrote:
You can make case a case for trading Jayson Tatum for Anthony Davis straight up.

What? Come on!

Tatum plays like every game. Davis not so. Tatum has more upside is younger and cheaper. I wonder what the odds are of Davis playing in the playoffs are? Wonder what the odds he plays all playoff games are? Now compare those odds to Tatums odds. Tatum lead his team to eastern conference finals minutes away from trip to finals. Well Davis teams mostly suck.
Tatum wins.

Post #831 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:19 pm

return2glory wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:
return2glory wrote:
Basically. Overpay, then you guys get AD the following year. That’s what it comes down to.

I don’t think thats true. They will not have the same cap space next year which is why they are pushing so hard now to get it done via trade. Also, if they get him in a trade they can still sign another max guy this year. I think its all about THIS year for LAL.

No, don’t get me wrong. The Lakers want the deal to happen in the next deal days. Lebron isn’t going to wait another year when he is a year older. The Laker fan base is putting pressure on ownership too.

It’s the Lakers deal to lose as I’ve said earlier. In the end they will be bidding against themselves and will overpay.

I think, if we can get him without giving up Tatum, you absolutely take that risk. If not, oh well, at least we made the Lakers pony up. Win-win.

Stadium5 · Post #832 » by **Stadium5** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:19 pm

Tyakack wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:
Tyakack wrote:
A short cut? I wouldn't call looking to acquire a superstar a "short cut". That's kind of like...........required.....to win championships. Long term ramifications? If we trade for AD and he leaves we won't be a championship team. If we don't, we won't be a championship team.

Either way we won't be close at all to being a championship team and we will be rebuilding after losing both kyrie and AD. At least if we go the AD route we give ourselves a chance to both win in the first year and win him over and get him to stay.

You're simplifying this way too much.

AD leaving = not a championship team
Not trading for AD = Not a championship team

The two above are not as equal as youre making it out to be

Scenario #1 we are left with half of what we have right now currently
Scenario #2 we still have draft picks, both of Brown and Tatum, Smart, etc

AD has proven he comes nowhere close to a title when it's just him as the star. What's our other avenue to a star once we trade most of our chips for AD? No cap space, no picks, no more Tatums to flip.

I agree they aren't completely equal

I would rather be in scenario 1. A complete rebuild and a lottery team instead of a middling team going no where. There's no worse place to be in the NBA than where we would likely be in scenario 2.

Brown tatum and smart as our core is doing nothing in this league other than being just good enough to not completely suck. Which is actually bad and the last thing we need.

The point is, neither scenario is GOOD, or IDEAL........and there's only one scenario of the 3 in which we have any chance to compete for championships anytime soon. I'll give you a hint to which one that is............the one with the superstar on it.

No I agree there, neither scenario is a good one. I would rather scenario 2 though and wait for hayward and horford to get off the books, and then depending how tatum and brown develop either trade them for picks or pay them accordingly and work with whatever cap space we have after that. Maybe we hit a superstar with the memphis pick. But sending Tatum for a 1 year AD just seems so wasteful..I get the same vibe from him as I get from Kyrie....absolutely zero desire to play in Boston

Celts17Pride · Post #833 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:20 pm

Tiny ball wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Afam wrote:
You can make case a case for trading Jayson Tatum for Anthony Davis straight up.

What? Come on!

Tatum plays like every game. Davis not so. Tatum has more upside is younger and cheaper. I wonder what the odds are of Davis playing in the playoffs are? Wonder what the odds he plays all playoff games are? Now compare those odds to Tatums odds. Tatum lead his team to eastern conference finals minutes away from trip to finals. Well Davis teams mostly suck.
Tatum wins.

Please stop.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #834 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:21 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

Yes but there is no indication we can get AD without giving Tatum.

Well, NO has to find something that tops Brown, Smart, picks, etc. first.

Green89 · Post #835 » by **Green89** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:22 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Afam wrote:If the celtics give up Tatum, they can't lose AD. I feel like they will do almost everything to appease Rich Paul short of putting him on the coaching staff.

Rich Paul wont be his agent if he resigns here

That's the hope with him coming here. We convinve him LA is not the best choice. It shouldn't be hard to do. I think the Lebron injury and him missing the rest of this past season will continue to get worse for him. He can't beat father time. Once Davis realizes he won't be playing with Lebron the legend, but Lebron the old man, he could rethink staying on with us.

Tiny ball · Post #836 » by **Tiny ball** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:24 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

Yes but there is no indication we can get AD without giving Tatum.

They should be happy to get Smart Rozier couple draft picks and some filler.

The Corey's · Post #837 » by **The Corey's** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:25 pm

I cant believe Danny does this if Kyrie bolts. It just doesnt make sense. Certainly not at a price point where he can atleast risk it.

Tiny ball · Post #838 » by **Tiny ball** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:25 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

Yes but there is no indication we can get AD without giving Tatum.

Well, NO has to find something that tops Brown, Smart, picks, etc. first.

Brown has much too much upside to part with.

celtics543 · Post #839 » by **celtics543** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:25 pm

I know we're focused on Anthony Davis but I actually would be pretty interested in bringing Bradley Beal if we could get him for a little bit cheaper. Guys a great player, seems to have a great attitude, and if Kyrie leaves and Horford restructures we might have some money to not have to send out an exact contract match.

Just a nonDavis thought.

The Corey's · Post #840 » by **The Corey's** » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:26 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:I'd rather have AD, Tatum & Conely, than AD, Tatum and Kyrie. AD's not an alpha like LeBron, and Kyrie's moodiness would likely ruin any chemistry...

Yes but there is no indication we can get AD without giving Tatum.

Well, NO has to find something that tops Brown, Smart, picks, etc. first.

Honestly. That Laker package is better than this deal. Even without Kuzma.