Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade

[Roscoe Sheed]

Why does Davis still want out after the pelicans got the number 1 pick? He should see how well he plays with Zion. They could be the tandem of the future. How much longer will Lebron be great and healthy?

[Throwback24]

Just wait till the Raptors swoop in and steal AD. This entire forum will be in tears

[Texas Chuck]

you psychic and know for sure only 1 or 2 players are good this draft. curry,thompson giannis, kawhi were not top 3 picks. eveyr year everypone says oh its a 2 player drfat everyone sucks. if you know so much about drfat picks why arent you hired by the nba.

yeah I was right you aren't serious about having a discussion. Which sucks. But I'll help you anyway. I'm not psychic. I don't know how these players will or won't turn out. But that's not relevant. What is relevant is how these players are currently valued as prospects as that impacts the value of the Lakers 1st round pick. Zion is seen as very valuable. Ja, reasonably valuable and then major major question marks with everyone else.

So while some of the players taken late are going to turn out to be good players--like Draymond, Jokic, Kawhi, etc.... because we don't know who those players might be we have to go with current evaluations. So a draft like like last years or 2003 where there are lots of very good prospects-well those picks hold a lot more value than this years or say 2013 which was even worse.


Again, this is about the current value of the draft pick, not my ability to say which players will be great or not.

[teke184]

Gonna be a meltdown in here when Lakers get him for that hot garbage

"I'm done with this rigged league"


Over under - 50 of these posts.

Bonus points if Griffin tweets “#BasketballReasons”.

[DusterBuster]

Gonna be a meltdown in here when Lakers get him for that hot garbage

"I'm done with this rigged league"


Over under - 50 of these posts.

I'll take the under, but it'll easily be over 25.

[madmaxmedia]

you psychic and know for sure only 1 or 2 players are good this draft. curry,thompson giannis, kawhi were not top 3 picks. eveyr year everypone says oh its a 2 player drfat everyone sucks. if you know so much about drfat picks why arent you hired by the nba.

yeah I was right you aren't serious about having a discussion. Which sucks. But I'll help you anyway. I'm not psychic. I don't know how these players will or won't turn out. But that's not relevant. What is relevant is how these players are currently valued as prospects as that impacts the value of the Lakers 1st round pick. Zion is seen as very valuable. Ja, reasonably valuable and then major major question marks with everyone else.

So while some of the players taken late are going to turn out to be good players--like Draymond, Jokic, Kawhi, etc.... because we don't know who those players might be we have to go with current evaluations. So a draft like like last years or 2003 where there are lots of very good prospects-well those picks hold a lot more value than this years or say 2013 which was even worse.


Again, this is about the current value of the draft pick, not my ability to say which players will be great or not.

Plus we have statistics to go on, after the top 3-4 picks your odds start to get longer and longer at getting a true impact player.

[Duke4life831]

So I take it that Im like most, just waiting for the Woj bomb saying the deal has been agreed to between NO and LA. I feel like its a done deal and NO is just talking within the organization on if the 4th pick is valuable enough, or if they should continue to kick the tires of other teams to see what they could possibly get in exchange for it. I feel like its pretty much done though.

[The Laker Kid]

I'm curious how people like Woj and Shams get their info if these transactions are supposedly very private.

[nzahir]

So I take it that Im like most, just waiting for the Woj bomb saying the deal has been agreed to between NO and LA. I feel like its a done deal and NO is just talking within the organization on if the 4th pick is valuable enough, or if they should continue to kick the tires of other teams to see what they could possibly get in exchange for it. I feel like its pretty much done though.

I feel like we have discussed every option for #4

Its either happening with a 3rd team for another young guy with upside or not. Shouldn't take forever to figure out

Lavine makes most sense but #4 for him is a bit high as Lavine is already getting paid. I think Lavine and a protected future first in few years or memphis 2nd makes sense

Beal isn't happening it looks like. No GM rn even

Other stars don't fit timeline or make sense

[Lawyershawn]

Lakers should avoid replicating what the Knicks did when they traded for Carmelo (who would have signed there a year later).

Don't sell the farm.

Unfortunately, the Lakers have nobody in their front office who can be trusted to negotiate well, and opposing fans, teams, and the media are doing everything in their power to influence the Pelicans to undervalue the Lakers assets.

[DusterBuster]

So I take it that Im like most, just waiting for the Woj bomb saying the deal has been agreed to between NO and LA. I feel like its a done deal and NO is just talking within the organization on if the 4th pick is valuable enough, or if they should continue to kick the tires of other teams to see what they could possibly get in exchange for it. I feel like its pretty much done though.

I feel like we have discussed every option for #4

Its either happening with a 3rd team for another young guy with upside or not. Shouldn't take forever to figure out

Lavine makes most sense but #4 for him is a bit high as Lavine is already getting paid. I think Lavine and a protected future first in few years or memphis 2nd makes sense

Beal isn't happening it looks like. No GM rn even

Other stars don't fit timeline or make sense

Why would the Bulls trade Lavine for a pick when they just made that deal for Otto Porter? Seems like they want to still keep some young vets on the team and not go full rookies.

[Nick Sigler]

Lakers should avoid replicating what the Knicks did when they traded for Carmelo (who would have signed there a year later).

Don't sell the farm.

Unfortunately, the Lakers have nobody in their front office who can be trusted to negotiate well, and opposing fans, teams, and the media are doing everything in their power to influence the Pelicans to undervalue the Lakers assets.

Difference is the Knicks had nothing and were getting Melo to attempt to lure a second star, and at that point they had no assets to trade for that second star.

Lakers already have a star. AD is the second piece. At that point, in a KD-less West, that's enough to be a contender.

[Duke4life831]

Lakers should avoid replicating what the Knicks did when they traded for Carmelo (who would have signed there a year later).

Don't sell the farm.

Unfortunately, the Lakers have nobody in their front office who can be trusted to negotiate well, and opposing fans, teams, and the media are doing everything in their power to influence the Pelicans to undervalue the Lakers assets.

Difference is the Knicks had nothing and were getting Melo to attempt to lure a second star, and at that point they had no assets to trade for that second star.

Lakers already have a star. AD is the second piece. At that point, in a KD-less West, that's enough to be a contender.

Yup. Im sure they will just try to repeat what CLE did and try and find a lot of older vets that can shoot to throw in around LeBron and AD. As long as LeBron is still close to LeBron from the 2018 Cavs, him and AD plus smart vets should be a pretty scary team.

[kobe808lak]

If NO trades AD to the Lakers for the Lakers core, a core that couldn’t even sniff the playoffs playing with the most dominant player in the league, they will be the biggest joke in sports. Besides for the lack of talent coming back to NO, it further perpetuates the idea that the LAs and NYs and the LeBrons can bully small market teams to trade their stars. NBA is quickly going the way of European soccer where one or two teams per league buy all the best players and win all the championships.

Should AD have to rot and waste his prime for an inept Franchise?

Wait I thought you wanted him to come to the Jeanie Buss Lakers?
I mean I realize the Lakers are a historically great franchise, but they've been pretty inept with current ownership and their current FO certainly hasn't inspired confidence either.

I think one can make a very good argument that the Pelicans have better ownership/management than the Lakers do right now which is all that should be relevant to one concerned about that for AD.

So AD should want to stay there? Their ownership is a joke too. I don't mind the GM though.

[Texas Chuck]

So AD should want to stay there? Their ownership is a joke too. I don't mind the GM though.

No. I think they've had enough time and not been able to get the mix right around him. I was just pointing out that the Lakers franchise isn't in any better state atm yet I think you'd be okay with AD coming there.

If going to a well-run franchise is most important then we'd largely need all new suitors. Get the Spurs, Pacers, Heat involved.

[levon]

So I take it that Im like most, just waiting for the Woj bomb saying the deal has been agreed to between NO and LA. I feel like its a done deal and NO is just talking within the organization on if the 4th pick is valuable enough, or if they should continue to kick the tires of other teams to see what they could possibly get in exchange for it. I feel like its pretty much done though.

That's my understanding. Either this is true or the deal is dead by now. I can't imagine both sides just sitting on this for days going into next week.

[teke184]

Should AD have to rot and waste his prime for an inept Franchise?

Wait I thought you wanted him to come to the Jeanie Buss Lakers?
I mean I realize the Lakers are a historically great franchise, but they've been pretty inept with current ownership and their current FO certainly hasn't inspired confidence either.

I think one can make a very good argument that the Pelicans have better ownership/management than the Lakers do right now which is all that should be relevant to one concerned about that for AD.

So AD should want to stay there? Their ownership is a joke too. I don't mind the GM though.

Want to stay there? Not necessarily. But don’t say you want out because we can’t win then say you only want the Lakers or Knicks.

Basically every argument I have seen for why Davis doesn’t want to go to X team applies to the Knicks and Lakers as well.

Bad management? Got it. Bad ownership? Got it. Poor supporting cast? Got it.


He can want to go to a bigger market. Just don’t piss on our leg and tell us it is raining.

[Jagic Mohnson]

you psychic and know for sure only 1 or 2 players are good this draft. curry,thompson giannis, kawhi were not top 3 picks. eveyr year everypone says oh its a 2 player drfat everyone sucks. if you know so much about drfat picks why arent you hired by the nba.

yeah I was right you aren't serious about having a discussion. Which sucks. But I'll help you anyway. I'm not psychic. I don't know how these players will or won't turn out. But that's not relevant. What is relevant is how these players are currently valued as prospects as that impacts the value of the Lakers 1st round pick. Zion is seen as very valuable. Ja, reasonably valuable and then major major question marks with everyone else.

So while some of the players taken late are going to turn out to be good players--like Draymond, Jokic, Kawhi, etc.... because we don't know who those players might be we have to go with current evaluations. So a draft like like last years or 2003 where there are lots of very good prospects-well those picks hold a lot more value than this years or say 2013 which was even worse.


Again, this is about the current value of the draft pick, not my ability to say which players will be great or not.

im sorry bro. but curry was seen as a skinny twerp from college. giannis as a typical euro softie. thompson was a ganja afficianado and was kickd out of school. nobody knows who will be the best player in the draft. everyone thought lakers done goofed and drafted d lo instead of that fat guy from duke i forgot his name. everyone made fun of the hawks for drafting meth curry but hes atually pretty good. mavericks drafted a euro and if he sucked everyone would be saying i told you so. its a crapshoot.

[Duke4life831]

So I take it that Im like most, just waiting for the Woj bomb saying the deal has been agreed to between NO and LA. I feel like its a done deal and NO is just talking within the organization on if the 4th pick is valuable enough, or if they should continue to kick the tires of other teams to see what they could possibly get in exchange for it. I feel like its pretty much done though.

That's my understanding. Either this is true or the deal is dead by now. I can't imagine both sides just sitting on this for days going into next week.

Ya, I feel like they are doing the last minute kicking of the tires from other teams. And by the end of the night, we will get a Woj bomb saying either talks fell apart or the deal is in place, just waiting to be made official.

[JimmyTheGreek]

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