Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[The Corey's]

I think you absolutely go for Davis and see what happens. rebuild now or rebuild 11 months later...I'd just assume roll the dice while we still have Horford and Hayward.

Yea but the difference is you aren't "rebuilding 11 months later"

If he bails in that scenario on top of what Irving appears to be doing, you're throwing away a good 90% of everything you've accomplished since 2013.

Ainge would be out the door within the year through his own decision because you cant get fired if you're a Celtic but ainge doesnt have another decade in him to start a complete overhaul.

The NBA isn't that hard to rebuild in. You'd have cap space again eventually and top picks. As a Rockets fan I kinda wish we'd trade Harden and move on from this team that is now failed. There's nothing worse than knowing you aren't rebuilding and also have no chance at a title anymore. A lot of people think that now because Durant is hurt/will leave GS that suddenly the Rockets will have a better shot at winning the west. They've used up their share of excuses and it's time to move on. Stars don't grow on trees but when you've made your run multiple times with multiple cores and come up short it's time to reset the switch.

The Celtics can take that gamble and if it works you'll be glad you did. if you don't get AD, how long are you going to wait before trying to acquire another star? Who will be out there?

It's not that hard to rebuild? I mean, I won't go an look at the amount of teams but I'm pretty sure theres been less than 8 different teams that's won the title since 1980. Its REALLY hard to rebuild.

[canman1971]

So when Pelicans eventually pull the trigger.. what will your take be?

You must be a big Kuzma fan.

This hasn’t nothing to do with me. I’m not making the deals. It’s been reported that Kuz is the most coveted asset here.

Oh I forgot, since it was reported it must be true. What the hell is happening to this board?

[reload141]

Read on Twitter

Still far too much

Who the **** is Jake Madison? We can do better with these tweets, guys. Does he hold some position in the org? Is he at least a beat writer who has a pulse on the Pels?

He's NOLAJake, he has NOLA in his name so surely he's connected.

[Slartibartfast]

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Settle. Wow.

It's really not that crazy. Think about what we gave up for Kyrie. A lower level all-star, a rock solid 3D wing on a bargain deal, an unprotected BK pick and Zizic.

Tatum roughly = BK pick in value, ditto IT and Mem. Smart = Crowder, Williams = Zizic.

And AD even with one less year is a bigger catch than Kyrie.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Brown = Ingram
Smart = Ball
Mem pick = 4th pick

Plus we can add a few more picks.

There is no way I trade brown for Ingram or smart for ball

exactly.

Brown
Smart
Memphis
2 firsts


That's a haul for AD. Brown is a rising 15 ppg scorer. Smart all nba defensive guard and the memphis pick. Three firsts including one possible lottery pick?

Wouldn't even put the Memphis pick if I'm giving Brown and Smart.

Kawhi Leonard got San Antonio less than that. This situation should be no different.

[canman1971]

Yea but the difference is you aren't "rebuilding 11 months later"

If he bails in that scenario on top of what Irving appears to be doing, you're throwing away a good 90% of everything you've accomplished since 2013.

Ainge would be out the door within the year through his own decision because you cant get fired if you're a Celtic but ainge doesnt have another decade in him to start a complete overhaul.

The NBA isn't that hard to rebuild in. You'd have cap space again eventually and top picks. As a Rockets fan I kinda wish we'd trade Harden and move on from this team that is now failed. There's nothing worse than knowing you aren't rebuilding and also have no chance at a title anymore. A lot of people think that now because Durant is hurt/will leave GS that suddenly the Rockets will have a better shot at winning the west. They've used up their share of excuses and it's time to move on. Stars don't grow on trees but when you've made your run multiple times with multiple cores and come up short it's time to reset the switch.

The Celtics can take that gamble and if it works you'll be glad you did. if you don't get AD, how long are you going to wait before trying to acquire another star? Who will be out there?

It's not that hard to rebuild? I mean, I won't go an look at the amount of teams but I'm pretty sure theres been less than 8 different teams that's won the title since 1980. Its REALLY hard to rebuild.

And Ainge is one of those to do it. And should have had 2 titles.

[The Corey's]

Well I’m glad you can speak for me, Davis and his agent. Perhaps you should apply for the Cs GM position. According to the all knowing you, it should be available soon. Hope you get it so World Peace can finally be achieved.

Just so were clear. Irving bailed for zero compensation for the celtics. he didnt enjoy being a Celtic. Being here didnt impress him and ainge couldnt sell him on his plan.

And you're fine with literally doing it again mere days after that for a player who has said through his agent the same thing? That's what you're saying? You tell me?

Now, are you also saying if hypothetically that happens and Davis bails and this time next year the celtics are out the 2018 nets pick, the Memphis pick, and a combo of smart/brown/Tatum that you're fine with that? God knows I wouldnt wat to put words in your mouth.

Just to be clear you have no clue what I’m fine with. What I will say is Ainge knows so much more than both you and me. Only one of us can’t grasp that and lives in a vacuum.

You ae being really abrasive for no reason. I legit asked you a question because you've already pulled the "you dont know what I think" card and you wont even just go on record if the scenario I laid out was fine by you.

It's a good tactic. We wouldnt want to be held accountable for the things wete actually thinking or anything.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Read on Twitter

Still far too much

Who the **** is Jake Madison? We can do better with these tweets, guys. Does he hold some position in the org? Is he at least a beat writer who has a pulse on the Pels?

we talking about Jake? Jake Madison from the internet? Seems legit to me

[MagicBagley18]

I love tatum kid is a studddddddd and I wish there was a way to keep him and get AD. Kings pick screwed us- if we had top 4 pick with Memphis brown smart and Williams we could get him without Tatum.

that didn’t happen and we are here now. This is why this trade is such a divisive issue, brown is a nice player and he has potential but he’s not the home prospect the pels want and waited for.

The Pelicans clearly don't value that 4th pick the Lakers have. It wouldn't move the needle because the decent GMs around the league know this draft is relatively weak if you're trying to get a budding star. I'm sure there will be some hidden gems and surprises but this reeks of the draft similar to the 2016 draft.

The Kings pick could have been better sure, but that Memphis pick is a key pick to keep. It's like a wild card pick you can keep in your pocket if you do get AD and want to acquire another star later. It'll be very valuable with the direction Memphis is headed.

No doubt unprotected picks have tremendous value primarily bc like you said the word “unprotected” and the allure of it. That being said we can go back and forth here about which player I or another poster feel is better etc and that’s fine but there’s just no way the Celtics get AD Without team. It’s just not gonna happen.

It’s clear also what’s happening most likely is Danny ainge told griffin (who he has a great relationship with) when you have your best deal come back to me otherwise we are offering this (the brown package) and when or if griffin comes back to him and it’s nut crunching time if the Celtics want AD we throw in Tatum or he goes wherever else be it he lakers or a dark horse team.

[The Corey's]

The NBA isn't that hard to rebuild in. You'd have cap space again eventually and top picks. As a Rockets fan I kinda wish we'd trade Harden and move on from this team that is now failed. There's nothing worse than knowing you aren't rebuilding and also have no chance at a title anymore. A lot of people think that now because Durant is hurt/will leave GS that suddenly the Rockets will have a better shot at winning the west. They've used up their share of excuses and it's time to move on. Stars don't grow on trees but when you've made your run multiple times with multiple cores and come up short it's time to reset the switch.

The Celtics can take that gamble and if it works you'll be glad you did. if you don't get AD, how long are you going to wait before trying to acquire another star? Who will be out there?

It's not that hard to rebuild? I mean, I won't go an look at the amount of teams but I'm pretty sure theres been less than 8 different teams that's won the title since 1980. Its REALLY hard to rebuild.

And Ainge is one of those to do it. And should have had 2 titles.

You're confusing me for holding Danny accountable for something entirely different.

I already know ainge isnt gonna trade all those players for Davis. Because its suicide at this point. What I said was IF he did would anyone be ok with it, I've only asked 3 times but you refuse to participate. That's fine, you dont know the answer and that's a good place to be in.

[zoyathedestroya]

I would take smart over ball bc I love smart, he’s a warrior all balls and grit and a tough SOB and I’d rather be in the trenches with him than lonzo. Lonzos value to teams around the league is still higher than smarts ( even if I disagree )- just more upside and still on a cost controlled contract for 2 more years.

Who cares what the rest of the league thinks? It's only Griffin and the Pelicans that matter. Who do they want between those two? As far as I know from his time on NBATV, Griffin loves Marcus Smart. Only advantage of Ball is his contract. And if you want to build a competitive team from the get-go (which is what Griffin is trying to do), you take Smart over Ball 11 times out of 10.

[MagicBagley18]

I would take smart over ball bc I love smart, he’s a warrior all balls and grit and a tough SOB and I’d rather be in the trenches with him than lonzo. Lonzos value to teams around the league is still higher than smarts ( even if I disagree )- just more upside and still on a cost controlled contract for 2 more years.

Who cares what the rest of the league thinks? It's only Griffin and the Pelicans that matter. Who do they want between those two? As far as I know from his time on NBATV, Griffin loves Marcus Smart. Only advantage of Ball is his contract. And if you want to build an competitive team from the get-go (which is what Griffin is trying to do), you take Smart over Ball 11 times out of 10.

Ok so let’s get to the real argument then I’d love your opinion - we get AD without Tatum?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Brown, Smart, William's, 14, 20, 22 and MEM pick is quite a haul.

[jfs1000d]

Lets Rank assets.

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Kuzma
4. Ingram
5. Smart
6. Ball

picks

This comes down to how much do the Pels value players. Do they rank Kuzma more than Brown. Or, are Tatum and Brown 1 and 2?

I guess this will determine what NO decides.

[gocelts]

nt

[Edug27]

You must be a big Kuzma fan.

This hasn’t nothing to do with me. I’m not making the deals. It’s been reported that Kuz is the most coveted asset here.

Oh I forgot, since it was reported it must be true. What the hell is happening to this board?

My bad. I forgot usual board etiquette.... only if it’s in our favor it’s true.. got it

[Edug27]

Lets Rank assets.

1. Tatum
2. Brown
3. Kuzma
4. Ingram
5. Smart
6. Ball

picks

This comes down to how much do the Pels value players. Do they rank Kuzma more than Brown. Or, are Tatum and Brwn 1 and 2?

I guess this will determine what LA decides.

Tatum
Kuz
Everything else.

[canman1971]

Just so were clear. Irving bailed for zero compensation for the celtics. he didnt enjoy being a Celtic. Being here didnt impress him and ainge couldnt sell him on his plan.

And you're fine with literally doing it again mere days after that for a player who has said through his agent the same thing? That's what you're saying? You tell me?

Now, are you also saying if hypothetically that happens and Davis bails and this time next year the celtics are out the 2018 nets pick, the Memphis pick, and a combo of smart/brown/Tatum that you're fine with that? God knows I wouldnt wat to put words in your mouth.

Just to be clear you have no clue what I’m fine with. What I will say is Ainge knows so much more than both you and me. Only one of us can’t grasp that and lives in a vacuum.

You ae being really abrasive for no reason. I legit asked you a question because you've already pulled the "you dont know what I think" card and you wont even just go on record if the scenario I laid out was fine by you.

It's a good tactic. We wouldnt want to be held accountable for the things wete actually thinking or anything.

Well I guess I have to spell it out for you. Obviously I trust Ainge much more than what I think and certainly what you think and just about anyone on a message board. Doesn’t mean he’s perfect and won’t swing and miss. But he’s a freaking professional with a staff he works with. His track record deserves a little more respect than the minions who on one hand want Kyrie out of town, and on the other critique Ainge for losing him. Yes ideally you would like to get something in return. I’ve said that. But Kyrie is a FA and controls he own destiny.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Were not giving up Tatum. Every team trading a star thinks they get to utterly pillage the other team. It never happens. Shocking, I know.

[MagicBagley18]

I can’t even believe this is a debate. I’ll wave the white flag - you guys are right we can get him without Tatum in which case means we should have done no matter what bc the brown smart Williams Memphis package already beats a lakers package without Tatum.

I’ll just wait for the woj bomb to confirm it and then I’ll eat my crow like a good boy