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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1461 » by Bar Fight » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:44 am

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Wouldn't even put the Memphis pick if I'm giving Brown and Smart.

Kawhi Leonard got San Antonio less than that. This situation should be no different.


The Spurs valued DeRozan as a legit all-star. Foolishly so. And the league has seen how one sided that deal was.


They asked for Siakam and Toronto said no. Boston should do the same.

Siakam would've been a throw in. The whole reason we're in position to trade for AD is because we have Tatum.
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Post#1462 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:44 am

Also, this smacks of Pels wanting both Kuz and Ingram or Tatum and Brown (why nit).

Imagine giving them Brown/Tatum/Smart --- 3 young starters on a gosh darn 50 win caliber team. I mean, that is a haul even if AD was going to resign. My lord. Ya get 2. And the only reason you ass getting smart is salary. If there was any other way, we dont give him up.

Thinking Lake Show has to Cave and give up both Ingram and Kuzma.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1463 » by California Gold » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:45 am

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Yea but the difference is you aren't "rebuilding 11 months later"

If he bails in that scenario on top of what Irving appears to be doing, you're throwing away a good 90% of everything you've accomplished since 2013.

Ainge would be out the door within the year through his own decision because you cant get fired if you're a Celtic but ainge doesnt have another decade in him to start a complete overhaul.


The NBA isn't that hard to rebuild in. You'd have cap space again eventually and top picks. As a Rockets fan I kinda wish we'd trade Harden and move on from this team that is now failed. There's nothing worse than knowing you aren't rebuilding and also have no chance at a title anymore. A lot of people think that now because Durant is hurt/will leave GS that suddenly the Rockets will have a better shot at winning the west. They've used up their share of excuses and it's time to move on. Stars don't grow on trees but when you've made your run multiple times with multiple cores and come up short it's time to reset the switch.

The Celtics can take that gamble and if it works you'll be glad you did. if you don't get AD, how long are you going to wait before trying to acquire another star? Who will be out there?


It's not that hard to rebuild? I mean, I won't go an look at the amount of teams but I'm pretty sure theres been less than 8 different teams that's won the title since 1980. Its REALLY hard to rebuild.


I think there have been a lot of great teams since then that have just never won the title. The best thing you can do for your team is put them in a position to win. I can go down the list of a myriad of teams that have never won the title but could have been good enough to do so but there are a lot of other factors that come into play. I think the NBA is all about acquiring stars and it always has been. When you have a chance to get one, you go get one (not at any cost, at a reasonable cost of course) even if it means they might walk.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1464 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:50 am

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The Spurs valued DeRozan as a legit all-star. Foolishly so. And the league has seen how one sided that deal was.


They asked for Siakam and Toronto said no. Boston should do the same.


Siakam was a bench player who just made a huge leap. Similar to us refusing Rondo in the KG trade. Easier to be stubborn with the minor assets.

The headliners are what matter. Toronto had one with DeRozan. We have one with Tatum as a consensus up and coming star (Brown justly or unjustly doesn't have that rep)

Without Tatum our platter is no sexier than LA's.


Well..that depends on what you think of our players..I value Jaylen a lot. To me he is easily the best outside of Tatum and the 4th pick. Easily.

If you're right, you make them pick our poop or LA's poop. If LA decides to insert all their sexiness that's their problem..they clearly have an edge because Davis would happily resign there. We don't. So our best toys shouldn't be thrown in the game..
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Post#1465 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:51 am

jfs1000d wrote:Also, this smacks of Pels wanting both Kuz and Ingram or Tatum and Brown (why nit).

Imagine giving them Brown/Tatum/Smart --- 3 young starters on a gosh darn 50 win caliber team. I mean, that is a haul even if AD was going to resign. My lord. Ya get 2. And the only reason you ass getting smart is salary. If there was any other way, we dont give him up.

Thinking Lake Show has to Cave and give up both Ingram and Kuzma.


I concur. NOP seems to want young players who have already established themselves. Tatum + Brown is their natural request. Too much for a flight risk to give both (can't replace that much wing talent to win over AD), but I think they'd settle for the higher value of the two in Tatum + Smart.
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Post#1466 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:52 am

I’m out for the night....back to play again tomorrow. I’m getting over tired and having hallucinations that involve people posting we get AD without Tatum and Kyle kuzma is holding up a blockbuster AD trade because he’s the most valuable asset Lakers own.

With my luck there will be a woj bomb minute I leave.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1467 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:57 am

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They asked for Siakam and Toronto said no. Boston should do the same.


Siakam was a bench player who just made a huge leap. Similar to us refusing Rondo in the KG trade. Easier to be stubborn with the minor assets.

The headliners are what matter. Toronto had one with DeRozan. We have one with Tatum as a consensus up and coming star (Brown justly or unjustly doesn't have that rep)

Without Tatum our platter is no sexier than LA's.


Well..that depends on what you think of our players..I value Jaylen a lot. To me he is easily the best outside of Tatum and the 4th pick. Easily.

If you're right, you make them pick our poop or LA's poop. If LA decides to insert all their sexiness that's their problem..they clearly have an edge because Davis would happily resign there. We don't. So our best toys shouldn't be thrown in the game..


I value Jaylen almost as much as Tatum - I've always been a Tatum doubter (excessively at first). But Tatum has the it factor - people talk about him as a star more than Jaylen. His shot creation is more advanced, his shot purer. Pretty easy to project him as a prime Danny Granger level scorer now. Where as Jaylen has more of a cap on his offensive skill.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1468 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 am

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The Spurs valued DeRozan as a legit all-star. Foolishly so. And the league has seen how one sided that deal was.


They asked for Siakam and Toronto said no. Boston should do the same.

Siakam would've been a throw in. The whole reason we're in position to trade for AD is because we have Tatum.


There was a post before saying Pels want Tatum and Brown but would end up settling for Tatum, Smart, Mem pick, 2 firsts and Williams. To me that's hilarious. Sure give them Tatum..but if you give them Tatum, give them the 22 and a future first + Yabu and fillers..you can't hand them Tatum AND a bunch of other good stuff. That's my point.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1469 » by Bar Fight » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:03 am

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They asked for Siakam and Toronto said no. Boston should do the same.

Siakam would've been a throw in. The whole reason we're in position to trade for AD is because we have Tatum.


There was a post before saying Pels want Tatum and Brown but would end up settling for Tatum, Smart, Mem pick, 2 firsts and Williams. To me that's hilarious. Sure give them Tatum..but if you give them Tatum, give them the 22 and a future first + Yabu and fillers..you can't hand them Tatum AND a bunch of other good stuff. That's my point.

Did you expect Tatum/AD straight up? Smart has to go to make salaries match. The late first doesn't matter, Yabu is an end of the bench guy and Williams has proven nothing
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1470 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:05 am

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Siakam was a bench player who just made a huge leap. Similar to us refusing Rondo in the KG trade. Easier to be stubborn with the minor assets.

The headliners are what matter. Toronto had one with DeRozan. We have one with Tatum as a consensus up and coming star (Brown justly or unjustly doesn't have that rep)

Without Tatum our platter is no sexier than LA's.


Well..that depends on what you think of our players..I value Jaylen a lot. To me he is easily the best outside of Tatum and the 4th pick. Easily.

If you're right, you make them pick our poop or LA's poop. If LA decides to insert all their sexiness that's their problem..they clearly have an edge because Davis would happily resign there. We don't. So our best toys shouldn't be thrown in the game..


I value Jaylen almost as much as Tatum - I've always been a Tatum doubter (excessively at first). But Tatum has the it factor - people talk about him as a star more than Jaylen. His shot creation is more advanced, his shot purer. Pretty easy to project him as a prime Danny Granger level scorer now. Where as Jaylen has more of a cap on his offensive skill.


Time will tell.

I fully understand Tatum is the shinier toy..all I'm saying is, if they want him they don't get any other prime asset. They get him, Smart for salary and level C assets. If they take Brown instead, they get Smart, and some B- assets. No way am I giving them Tatum + Smart + an A- asset and two B's. **** that.
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Post#1471 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:08 am

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Bar Fight wrote:Siakam would've been a throw in. The whole reason we're in position to trade for AD is because we have Tatum.


There was a post before saying Pels want Tatum and Brown but would end up settling for Tatum, Smart, Mem pick, 2 firsts and Williams. To me that's hilarious. Sure give them Tatum..but if you give them Tatum, give them the 22 and a future first + Yabu and fillers..you can't hand them Tatum AND a bunch of other good stuff. That's my point.

Did you expect Tatum/AD straight up? Smart has to go to make salaries match. The late first doesn't matter, Yabu is an end of the bench guy and Williams has proven nothing


It would certainly matter if Davis leaves and the late first turns into Paul George.

Every asset matters in a rental.
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Post#1472 » by Bar Fight » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:12 am

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There was a post before saying Pels want Tatum and Brown but would end up settling for Tatum, Smart, Mem pick, 2 firsts and Williams. To me that's hilarious. Sure give them Tatum..but if you give them Tatum, give them the 22 and a future first + Yabu and fillers..you can't hand them Tatum AND a bunch of other good stuff. That's my point.

Did you expect Tatum/AD straight up? Smart has to go to make salaries match. The late first doesn't matter, Yabu is an end of the bench guy and Williams has proven nothing


It would certainly matter if Davis leaves and the late first turns into Paul George.

Every asset matters in a rental.

I'll take my chances with that.
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Post#1473 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:14 am

Listen, guy is a one year flight risk here. I think Brown/Smart and figure out picks. Memphis pick is a big get for a one year rental and two starters including defensive ALl-NBA.

Holy crap, with it getting real, it seriously is a lot we are cavalierly willing to throw in. Let's let Danny do his job.

If AD was willing to sign a long term deal, give up things. But these Celtics players are good. I don't care about the draft picks, especially are 3 this year. But, my lord, Smart/Brown/Tatum...come on. I wouldn't consider it for another player in the NBA on any deal, much less a one year rental.

These assets are way better than what we gave up for KG.
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Post#1474 » by Disinformation » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:22 am

I think I'm gonna take a couple days off from this thread and maybe the forum. It's much Ado about nothing and reading Celtics fans be ass holes to each other is grating me more than usual.
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Post#1475 » by The Corey's » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:49 am

Now that the raps lucked their way to a ship, it's time for for this Davis saga to conclude.
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Post#1476 » by JR Hawks » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:50 am

FeedReed wrote:really disheartening to read that horford wants nothing to do with kyrie. i mean if horford doesn’t like you, odds are you’re a dick. weird though because i thought they had pretty good chemistry on the court. i mean they were probably the only 2 on the team with any chemistry.


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Post#1477 » by Jaqua92 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:50 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:The Irving story was probably planted for a reason, FWIW— were not giving up Tatum and were not budging. If that means no AD, no big deal.
Right. Just Danny failing. Come on guys. If Danny doesn't get his man, he failed. Perioid. Things snowballed, and it starts from his decision making. I know the green teamers don't wanna hear it. But it is what it is. No AD = Danny lost.

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Post#1478 » by The Corey's » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:53 am

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SmartWentCrazy wrote:The Irving story was probably planted for a reason, FWIW— were not giving up Tatum and were not budging. If that means no AD, no big deal.
Right. Just Danny failing. Come on guys. If Danny doesn't get his man, he failed. Perioid. Things snowballed, and it starts from his decision making. I know the green teamers don't wanna hear it. But it is what it is. No AD = Danny lost.

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Ainge knows he cant give up everyone for a guy who might leave. Tatum is the guy he isnt parting with unless Davis extended and he wont
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Post#1479 » by celticfan42487 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:57 am

The Corey's wrote:Now that the raps lucked their way to a ship, it's time for for this Davis saga to conclude.


Should be all done in a week's time.
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Post#1480 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:58 am

OKAY I'M IN. TRADE ERRRBODY FOR ANTHONY DAVIS!! LET'S GET IT NEXT SEASON!!

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